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Opioids A few questions about buprenorphine

I take 1/2 of my 0.1 mg clonodine pill because anything more is overkill. I think the 0.1 mg dose is as low as they go. After a week or so my body quickly builds a tolerance. I would most definitely think 1/2 a 0.1 tab would be good especially for a work environment. To much clonodine and you will be way to sedated.
 
I most definitely abused Percocet and Valium for over 20 years. I did reach a point where I was able to function on a maintenance dose of 80-120mg of percs and 60-90mg of Valium per day. Scripts became harder and harder to get which thrust me into the black market- and a VERY expensive habit- and I wasn't even getting any enjoyment out of it. Long story short- DETOX facility and NO you can't take Suboxone or bupe until the narcotics are out of your system-or you WILL be miserable. They made me wait until I had some severe diarrhea and stomach cramping and then gave me support meds-neurontin and gabapentin until I was ready for Suboxone. After that, and 5 full days of intense medical care I was "detoxed" and sent home. I only had scripts for neurontin and gaba plus something for blood pressure. I felt fine for a couple of days- and then 6 FULL WEEKS of misery that I can't describe. POST ACUTE WITHDRAWAL SYNDROME is what it's called- no sleep, no energy, everything hurts, it's like an alternate universe. Plus, I couldn't get to see a doc and an addiction "specialist" turned me away over the phone because he thought I was too difficult a case!
I ultimately bought some black market perc and Valium taking the smallest amount to feel halfway alive.

I finally got to see an internist and confessed to everything including the detox and the black market experience.

He had me wait two days and then prescribed 8/2 sub lingual Suboxone strips (2 per day) and 1mg Xanax (2 per day). I signed a pain management contract and have to get a urine test everytime I go in...BUT, I could have done much better if after detox they out me on Suboxone right away.

I feel GREAT now. Going to the gym every day and fully functional.
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One problem-once you start on Bupe or Suboxone don't plan on getting off anytime soon. You may need it for the rest of your life. My feeling was so what? I take thyroid meds every day and will fornthenrest kf my life...PLUS getting off Suboxone or tapering is a MYTH. It's supposedly infinitely harder than oxy or hydro to get off and the withdrawal much more violent. So, you're trading one for another-except sub or bupe is legal and covered by my insurance.
No more getting high-you can take all the oxy you want and the sub will block it and or make you sick.

All personal decisions, but I'm happy with mine and just hope the doc won't want to start toying with doses or change anything. I'm good now and don't want it to change
BTW, the option is a maintenance dose of Methadone depending on whether you were a pain sufferer/anxiety disorder person like me or had a different issue.
Sorry for the long story. Been wanting to share that for a while.
 
Well I got the 0.1mg clonidine script this afternoon, although it won't be another week and a half until I take it. I spoke with the pharmacist. She knows that I am using it to reduce withdrawal symptoms from an OxyContin taper. She said that it should help with withdrawal tremors. Like other posters in this thread, she recommends splitting it half to see how I react to it. 1/2 a pill is not likely to knock me out flat. I can always take the other half of the pill if I feel I need it.

I should also say that after talking it over with my doctor, I am going to be going on 20mg Oxycodone Extended Release instead of OxyContin 20mg. There is about an 80 dollar difference in price with my insurance, so I will be going with the generic. I don't know. I have grown suspicious of some generic medications in recent years. As a long time user of Lorazepam, I have discovered that some generic versions of it feel like nothing more than a placebo. Whereas if I take the generic version made by Sandoz, it feels like the real deal.
 
I've just started an oxycontin taper myself as I want off opiates and couldnt taper well with a fentanyl patch.

I've used clonidine lots of times before to come off pain killers and I found 100mcg x 3 per day plenty but started at about half that as it can make you really tired and a bit light headed when you stand up until you get used to it....

Clonidine, pregabalin and a small short course of diazepam makes tapering much, much less painfull.....Inca t you don't really need the diazepam (but it helps).
 
Clonidine was originally prescibed as a blood preasure med so yeah it helps regulate your blood pressure and helps with cramps, sweats and most WD symptoms but in my case it didn't do much for me and definitely didn't sedate me but everyone is different. It's definitely worth giving a try but as stated probably don't try your first dose at work. Wait till you get home and see how it goes. I'm really surprised to hear everyone talk about taking neurontins for opiate WD. In my 25yrs of using I've never heard of anyone being prescribed them for opiate WDs just for pain management but i suppose it kinda makes sense.
Apart from listening and taking advise from us fellow bluelighters always do some of your own research aswel and it's fun. You soon learn a lot that way.
 
Sorry y'all I just wanted to throw this question out there as it is a bupe thread, and I am too lazy to go thru the mixes on creating my own thread thru this phone.

My question is in regards to opiate tolerance (I think). I had started getting prescribed subs like a year ago. I started out in a program where I would have to attend IOP classes to get the medication. Well, me being a garden variety junkie, I have a needle fixation, and was shooting most of my sub strips, mainly to make them last longer. I don't know if it really does, it's prolly all in my head.

Anyway, fast forward to now, a year later, I relapsed several months back and still get prescribed subs, and just have been using them as the rainy day bridge, until my pockets get right again, to kill withdrawal for a few days. But anyway, my question is, since I had been IV'ing the subs so much, did this Jack up my tolerance? Taking them sublingually just doesn't seem to cut it. Knowing the dangers of PWD, especially on that first day taking subs again, I always start by taking them sublingually, but it seems I don't get nowhere near as much relief unless I shoot it.

When I first started using, and up til like a year ago, taking subs normally worked like a charm every time pretty much, but now it's like unless I shoot it, I have difficulty getting well. I know that IV'ing strips is terrible for your veins, it killed most of mine. I have heard of other ROAs, but they seem complicated. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
sm0kestack said:
Sorry y'all I just wanted to throw this question out there as it is a bupe thread, and I am too lazy to go thru the mixes on creating my own thread thru this phone.

My question is in regards to opiate tolerance (I think). I had started getting prescribed subs like a year ago. I started out in a program where I would have to attend IOP classes to get the medication. Well, me being a garden variety junkie, I have a needle fixation, and was shooting most of my sub strips, mainly to make them last longer. I don't know if it really does, it's prolly all in my head.

Anyway, fast forward to now, a year later, I relapsed several months back and still get prescribed subs, and just have been using them as the rainy day bridge, until my pockets get right again, to kill withdrawal for a few days. But anyway, my question is, since I had been IV'ing the subs so much, did this Jack up my tolerance? Taking them sublingually just doesn't seem to cut it. Knowing the dangers of PWD, especially on that first day taking subs again, I always start by taking them sublingually, but it seems I don't get nowhere near as much relief unless I shoot it.

When I first started using, and up til like a year ago, taking subs normally worked like a charm every time pretty much, but now it's like unless I shoot it, I have difficulty getting well. I know that IV'ing strips is terrible for your veins, it killed most of mine. I have heard of other ROAs, but they seem complicated. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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I'm on Suboxone 32mgs a day and when I first started getting my take aways I use to inject them mainly because I have a needle fixation as it doesn't do much injecting them. After awhile my Subi's just weren't holding me for very long at all just like you have stated in you case. On day's when I had to go to the chemist foe my supervised dose I found that it would only make me feel better for a few hrs after peak plasma levels hit and i would be straight into injecting some of my next days dose. I started to fall short and nearly have to go without but i knew from experience that if i started taking them as prescribed (sublingualy) then after awhile it would definitely hold me for the day so for the past 4 months I have been taking them sublingualy and it now holds me for the whole day but it probably took a couple weeks for the adjustment of ROA. Now I find it much much more enjoyable just to take them sublingualy. I think to a certain degree it definitely does raise your tolerance but i mainly think that it doesn't hold you because it doesn't last very long when injected so rest assured if you start taking your dose sublingualy your body WILL adjust after a week or two and you will feel so much better. Also you will sweat less, if your anything like me Suboxone makes me sweat immensely from the forehead and my body temperature is all over the shop. I knoe it's bloody hard to get over the feel for the steel fixation but just take your dose properly and have a little taste here and there if you must like me and yes my veins or lack of are absolutely fucked from bupe and I've even been hospitalized twice for two weeks with 6 hourly flucox injections because of cellulitis forming so these films are nasty to bang plus it's a dirty feeling i reckon, dirty drug to inject.
Hope all goes well.
 
The sublingual isn't holding you because when you IV you get 100% of the drug and under tongue you only get about 30% so your sublingual dose should be about triple what you would IV
 
Jetthecaf said:
The sublingual isn't holding you because when you IV you get 100% of the drug and under tongue you only get about 30% so your sublingual dose should be about triple what you would IV
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Personaly i don't think that's his problem. Sure IV bupe is 100% b/a but it doesn't last anywear near as long as when taken sublingualy so that's why it isn't holding him. After his body gets use to taking sublingualy it will hold him all day. This is what he's getting at not which way is stronger.
 
I was able to cut the Clonidine pills into quarters. They are remarkably easy to cut. So if I experience withdrawals when I start tapering the OxyContin next week, I will not be taking anymore of the Clonidine than I truly need. Hopefully this will allow me to be functional.

Unfortunately, since getting sixty 10mg Percocets for breakthrough pain last week, I have been gulping them down for every little ache and pain that I get. You know the mentality. "If 10mg will do the job.........well...... 30mg would be even better!" In truth, I need to start tapering the Percocet. If I don't do so, the OxyContin taper will be even worse next week. I also need to have some Percocets on hand in the OxyContin withdrawals just become too much to deal with.
 
Lol the cocktail Clonidine, a benzo and promethazine that's how peeps get down in bmore. Mainly methadone users.
 
Οn bupe you can definetely function. It takes away all the negative symptoms of the withdrawal and at first gives you a nice high too.
If you are working I would reccoment it. But of course its addictive, with very bad withdrawls.
 
As I mentioned before, I am just going to taper with OxyContin. There just aren't enough Bupe doctors around here. I am at 30mg, 2x per day. I'm really not that far from getting off of opiates completely. I realize it's confusing because the topic of this thread mutated into something else.
 
Switching to generic - question

I had a question. As mentioned previously, I am going to be reducing my OxyContin prescription from 30mg, 2x per day to 20mg, 2x per day next week (probably on July 14). After discussing it with my doctor, I am going to switch from brand name OxyContin to Oxycodone HCL Extended Release. The main reason is cost....there is about a $70 difference between the two medications.

I have had some disappointing experiences the past few years with some generic medications. Especially with Lorazepam. I have found there to be a vast difference in quality level between different generic manufacturers. For instance, if I get the Sandoz version of Lorazepam, I know that my medication will be good and consistent in quality. However, if I get Purepac, I know I am going to be getting a medication that amounts to a placebo. I hardly get any relief from Purepac Lorazepam. But this is just me. I am sure there are probably other users who find the Purepac Lorazepam to be very effective.

Has anybody on this board experienced a major difference between the quality level of brand name OxyContin and Oxycodone HCL Extended Release?? The last thing that I need is to get more withdrawal symptoms due to a generic drug that is crappy in its quality.

FYI - I am going to be using the 20mg tablets for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks, I think my doctor is going to lower me to 15mg or 10mg two times per day.
 
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Do it the way you want but you should at least know that your doctor doesn't have to be a certified addiction/bupe doctor to prescribe Belbuca for pain.
 
Bigazznugz said:
Lol the cocktail Clonidine, a benzo and promethazine that's how peeps get down in bmore. Mainly methadone users.
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well there ya go - that's how peeps get down in Brisbane Australia too lol plus whatever Opioid.
 
bluesteyes said:
I had a question. As mentioned previously, I am going to be reducing my OxyContin prescription from 30mg, 2x per day to 20mg, 2x per day next week (probably on July 14). After discussing it with my doctor, I am going to switch from brand name OxyContin to Oxycodone HCL Extended Release. The main reason is cost....there is about a $70 difference between the two medications.

I have had some disappointing experiences the past few years with some generic medications. Especially with Lorazepam. I have found there to be a vast difference in quality level between different generic manufacturers. For instance, if I get the Sandoz version of Lorazepam, I know that my medication will be good and consistent in quality. However, if I get Purepac, I know I am going to be getting a medication that amounts to a placebo. I hardly get any relief from Purepac Lorazepam. But this is just me. I am sure there are probably other users who find the Purepac Lorazepam to be very effective.

Has anybody on this board experienced a major difference between the quality level of brand name OxyContin and Oxycodone HCL Extended Release?? The last thing that I need is to get more withdrawal symptoms due to a generic drug that is crappy in its quality.

FYI - I am going to be using the 20mg tablets for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks, I think my doctor is going to lower me to 15mg or 10mg two times per day.
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Yes, I can be found all over this board shouting from the roof tops, that if you can get the Sandoz Oxy then all one has to do is crush it up into it's powdered form and viola you got yourself an IR oxy product - no more plastic Oxycontin Brand BS. Thank you Sandoz, thank you.
 
For people who have experience using clonidine, what is a good dose for sleeping? Do you take it right at bed time? Does it give you a nasty hangover effect the next morning?

As previously mentioned, I got my clonidine script this week. 0.1mg, 60 tablets. They are easy to score in half, and in fact, are easy to break into quarters.
 
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