gloggawogga said:And, to be fair, if you have plenty of shrooms readily availabe you might just do shrooms and avoid the research chemical risks.
Are they really significantly different than psilocybin?
I know this thread is about 4-ACO-MIPT, but I'm curious also about 4-ACO-DETand 4-ACO-DiPT. Thanks!
EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY : This is a two-carbon homologue of psilocin, and as this latter chemical is orally active, it is not surprising that this is, as well. One direct comparison between the two materials, on widely separated days and at very high levels, indicated that 20 milligrams of 4-HO-MIPT was fully equivalent to 50 milligrams of psilocin in one report. And yet another report with 30 milligrams of the acetate ester, things were considerably more modest. At these higher levels, the onset was noted well within the first half hour.
Here, as with the 4-HO-DMT (psilocin) and the 4-HO-DET entries, some care must be made with the use of the term "acetate" or "phosphate." As these materials are both bases (tertiary amines) and acids (hydroxy indoles), they are in effect internal salts. For stability, they are usually converted into salts (at the amine end) or esters (at the phenolic end), or both. In this context, the term "acetate" can mean either modification, a salt or an ester involving acetic acid. And, of course, a phosphate can be either a salt or an ester. I will try to append the additional term "salt" or "ester" whenever this ambiguity is possible. In all of these studies, the acetate is the ester, and some of these are free bases, some are the hydrochloride salts and some are the fumarate salts.
liteage1 said:shulgin said:
"I would not want to go much higher than 20 milligrams (50 milligrams of psilocin is not as intense)."
daveyboy said:There is a dark side to the compound, such as is not found in 4-AcO-DET, or 2C-I. You can't find a dark corner with those two.
understand that there maybe a dark side to anything. it has to do with a persons own fears, and many other deep seeded negative baggage, neagative life experiences, even ones choice of words and environmental set and settings.
liteage1 said:2c-c is so fun and easy, kind of a happy go lucky psychedelic, @ 10 to 20mg's it is way more of a feel good chem then 2c-i. (to me)
but at 50mg, oh my! what a colorful gem 2c-c is.
just like 2c-e is for me.
liteage1 said:im a guitar, bass, player i also mix/edit too.