Yeah, potentially I suppose although there are a couple things to consider. One, IMO if someone is always lifting as heavy as they actually can on gear, primarily when a cycle begins or doses are increased, they are an idiot to begin with. Just because you can lift something doesn't mean you should and reasonable progressive overload should always be considered in order to prevent injuries.Wouldn't one put one's self at a greater risk of injury trying to master a frontload like that? I mean, say that a lift goes up by 50lbs over 10 weeks. The tapering up method would more or less be consistent with 5lb/wk progression, but a frontload might make a person want to jump 25lbs on week 2.
Thanks for taking the time to write that up swim15, much appreciated.I'd somewhat disagree.
The main [...] to Dallas McCarvers old training partner and a couple of doctors that have worked with pros (Flex Lewis, Ronnie, Phil heath, Dexter to name a few) and some, Dallas especially, are hitting it hard from the start and never letting off the gas. Their goals dictate their approaches.
I do appreciate that mate, and of course when it comes to competing, marginal gains are actually pretty critical. Convincing competitors in any sport that they can achieve the same with less than others they're up against is hard work and takes a lot of trust. Even moreso when sponsorship, product ambassadorship etc rely on it - one of the guys I used to work with admitted doubling up his doses when I wasn't around lolHowever I also make money off of my physique and wouldn't recommend that to most people unless they were in a similar situation.
This is how I aim to do my 8 week recovery cruise before my winter blast. Basically low dose test and mast while eating more freely to get out of the neurotic pattern that dieting causes me to have. I mean, last night I didn't sleep worth of crap because today is a refeed and I felt exactly the same as a kid the night before Xmas. Going to get my muffin this morning gave me the exact feeling I used to get when going to score H which I haven't done in close to 6 years. The mental break will be a welcomeI've basically reverted to using tiny doses (generally never over 250-300mg total at the peak of a taper, starting out much lower). I can achieve as much as I used to on more conventional (and occasionally excessive multi-gram) cycles but without most of the sides. I also take very long breaks now, whereas at one point I was on a nonstop cycle for probably 10+ years. Despite that I actually hit a new peak LBM last year without really trying.
I do prefer being a bit smaller though as after a while all the bulk gets a bit tiresome (sweaty, sores/rubbing muscles, eating tons of food etc). I like that I no longer get paranoid about losing mass, eating meals at specific times, taking supps, always trying to progress etc etc. When I go to the gym now I just train whatever I fancy in whatever way I feel like doing that day. I still push myself hard, as that's fun, but generally I'm way more relaxed and just in it to feel good.
Slabs of permanent tissue refers to myofibrillar hypertrophy of the actin and myosin fibres i assume? Agreed not, but the myogenic growth factors stimulated by AAS would be present, starting to agonise their receptors, at a greater degree than that seen with lower doses. Furthermore i assume you're referring (to 'water' [being in fact a component of glycogenesis it must be said], glycogen and [blood] plasma volume) to sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which doesnt equate to mere fleeting water retention dropping within hours/days, which is what you seem to be implying. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is considerably more resilient than is being suggested.
Of course water 'bloat', subcutaneous and intracellular water is quickly lost after a super-dose of a highly estrogenic androgen is discontinued, and before substantial myofibrillar or significant sarcoplasmic hypertrophy can be achieved.
One thing i will add however is the immediate transduction of genomic and non genomic (anabolic cascade) signals will contribute to myogenic hypertrophic advantages by early high dose administration of anabolic androgens, more so than the equivalent pathway activation of doses significantly lower.
Lastly, what about high dose DHT or even 19-nor based androgens used in the front load, there would be no bloat, just extra time for the system to have a supra-physiological level of anabolics increasing growth factors, maintaining a positive nitrogen: cortisol ratio and maintaining a stable blood-hormone level throughout the cycle, promoting an albeit artificial homeostatic environment.
CFC, would you mind sharing an example of a cycle that you've followed at these peaks? I'm curious to see how long you went and how you tapered up. Also, interested in whether you used an ai or any pct.I've basically reverted to using tiny doses (generally never over 250-300mg total at the peak of a taper, starting out much lower).