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Heroin ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

speedballs_over

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^^ 100% on the creativity thing. I tried playing my bass loaded the other night. It was pathetic. I kept nodding out every couple of bars.

Sad. Trading away the joys in my life for the nod world. The nod world is great but short and elusive and the side effects, fent danger and such just are to much for any creativity to be had - for me and most others I've met who tried it to help their creativity.

Yeah, you'll gain creativity in how to get your next dose while living under a tarp, under a freeway broke and panhanddling.

That spot under the overpass - it took months of negotitations, fights, and street culture lessons to even get near, your first creative months were spent trying to score all night - btw where I live dope is a day up to day light down thing for scoring, but I often see the homeless trying to get their nightly fix around midnight - then try to sleep in the park by day and hope the cops leave you alone.

That's if you're fortunate to be near a city, homelessness in rural areas is a different hell one can find quickly, creativity man - that's all it takes.

[Like many others I cannot sleep much while high, nodding does not count as sleep... it counts as close to death]

edit: add the part about sleep to help explain why people even in the street would day sleep - b/c if they are fortunate they get their bigger dose at night and stay up and nod or talk or freeze, shake and rattle despite the dose - yeah a great life.
 

Ticket

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It's just not worth it, everyone thinks they won't get addicted, everyone. I certainly did and I wouldn't have listened to some addict online telling me no. In fact I didn't. I still thought I could chip, I'm not like them I thought. I even read messages from other addicts saying that they thought that too and I still thought 'that's them, not me, won't be me'. Hell, I could be sitting there right now reading this and STILL think to myself 'yeah but I could do it, I'm not like that'. There's still a part of my brain that is still convinced I cooouuulllddd chip if I REALLY set my mind to not getting addicted, and I've been on and off addicted for 8 years! So clearly I goddamn can't keep 'ahead of it' because 'I'm not like that'! Doesn't matter, that addiction is inside my brain and it always wants to come back out, and I could always find a way to rationalize it to myself. I bet there's still someone who'll read this and think they're not like ME, I would. A solidly upper-middle class suburban white boy with a loving family and great friends, I work, I'm smart, I'm on top of my shit, I've never gotten hooked on anything else (well, except alcohol and benzos a couple of times but it was purely physical after purely utilitarian use and it was really an aberration each time - doesn't count! Won't be me!) I'm generally well liked and I have a pretty fulfilling life all things considered, varied interests and hobbies, responsibilities, I'm interested in drugs in like a scientific experimental philosophical inner-space-explorer psychonaut kinda way y'know, I'm not some junkie trying to run from my problems who can't just resist for a few days, I wouldn't, no way, it'd never be me I GOT this man.

See how delusional that sounds when you hear someone else's self justification? I thought I could do it because I know myself and my intentions, how much I mean it, I know how I react to things and how I make decisions. But it's not that part of you that's in charge once you start flirting with dope. It literally changes your brain, all the things you want, your priorities, that core you know as you that you're basing this decision off - It all changes. Maybe not that noticeably at first, but it will happen, hard and fast usually, and you won't even recognize the person you've become just to keep a dope habit afloat. It's not like a few beers or some weed where ultimately you're still in control, just high, then when you're sober you're sober and all the time you're just you in different states. You try it, you either hate it and leave it or you like it and you change, into Heroin You! But nobody likes Heroin You and you won't either and next thing you know it'll be 10yrs later and you'll be wishing anything you could go back and just not fucking try it. I did chip, for years before forming an addiction, with pharms. I was experienced, knew what I was doing, I was careful. Didn't matter. What I recognize now is that I was already forming a psychological bond with it, and asking myself whether I wanted to try H was already escalating it, doing it even more so, I tried it as a result of a fairly manageable addiction I didn't recognize, trading it for a much worse one I had no choice but to recognize because it ruled my entire body, and if you're asking the internet if you should do heroin too you're doing the same thing. It's not even a particularly special high, take some oxy or something and you've got the gist well enough. But all the factors surrounding heroin specifically make it uniquely perfect for causing massive brutal hellish addiction and destruction. It's not even like 'yeah there's the risk, but oh my god that high makes it all worth it' it's more like drinking dodgy bathtub moonshine that you know is gonna send you blind and ruin your liver rather than drinking some Absolut because you think, for some stupid fucking reason, that the moonshine is gonna get you a more interesting and 'perfect' kind of drunk than the vodka because it has '''''mystique'''''. Man how dumb of a decision is that, the vodka is better and safer why even fuck with the chance of methanol poisoning? Playing Russian Roulette with addiction but only one chamber is empty and you're doing it for literally no reason. 9/10 chance you're gonna get shot, so why bother, especially since you don't even get a reward.

But if anyone is reading this whole thread and still saying to themselves 'I can do it, it won't be me, I'm not like that', well, the fact that you're justifying it to yourself still, in the face of everything here, is a pretty good indicator that you ALREADY can't say no to it, and you should know where that leads. Some people gotta make their own choices though, I get it, nothing dissuaded me, maybe nothing will dissuade you. Roll the dice, you'll understand soon enough.
 
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Ganjcat

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Ive been using for a few months i did it to replace my codeine thinking i would get one last high then cut down but ever since i used it ive used it everyday since and just accepted it really i nearly managed to quit it cold turkey i made it through 3 days but the man came through with a layon and im back on it I wish I stuck with codeine the high from smoking is nice i get really good shit I know some mates who are in a full runners gang brought it hundreds of times now and never once got ripped off ive even brought it off the street at 2 in the morning in a very dodgy area
 

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You know, heroin feels good, really really good. But I really wouldn't call it "best thing anyone could ever feel" good.

And frankly, if you've experienced ANY other opioid, you've already experienced what it basically feels like anyway. The intensity differs, but you've got the basic idea.

Also heroins never done shit for my creativity, Ive never seen it do anything for anyone else's either. I suspect this might be mistaking correlation for causation.
Thats exactly right I was expecting to finally after using weaker opiates, for years to finally just see what the big bad high is all about but I learned its not that simple
 

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I just fucking love opiates btw did anyone know for you smokers out their that if you exhale through your tooter you will collect twice as much resin pretty cool

is it just me or are the heroin threads always the most interesting addictive aha
 

Olivia Nicole

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But if anyone is reading this whole thread and still saying to themselves 'I can do it, it won't be me, I'm not like that', well, the fact that you're justifying it to yourself still, in the face of everything here, is a pretty good indicator that you ALREADY can't say no to it, and you should know where that leads. Some people gotta make their own choices though, I get it, nothing dissuaded me, maybe nothing will dissuade you. Roll the dice, you'll understand soon enough.
"Life is bigger
It's bigger than you
And you are not me..."
-Losing My Religion
REM
 

Oceans

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As I sit in a parking lot 1.5 hours from house waiting to spend 245$ on H and sadly will be returning in 2 days - I would have to say absolutely not. being an addict is horrible and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Using is the only highlight of my day and I used to just fucking love life. You don’t get excited about anything ... not your favorite tv show coming back on , not your anniversary not anything. And to make it worse you start to lose people ... friends die boyfriends die. Then when you finally have had enough you have to take a 6 month break from your life for rehab because I promise nothing else will work
If I could time travel and never touch it I would 🎀
-just an angry junkie
 

Meth novice 79

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I’ll play devils advocate here.
Cos the shit is AMAZING.

But you wanna make sure you have INCREDIBLE self control before you do, because it’s heaven in a baggie and I’m probably one of the extremely rare ones who knew after that first hit, if I went again I’d be fucked in a month.

I have no regrets, it’s a once in a lifetime experience.

When my life is almost over (I have lung disease so at least I have a timeline for this lol) that shits how I’m planning on going out.
 

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Ganjcat

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I’ll play devils advocate here.
Cos the shit is AMAZING.

But you wanna make sure you have INCREDIBLE self control before you do, because it’s heaven in a baggie and I’m probably one of the extremely rare ones who knew after that first hit, if I went again I’d be fucked in a month.

I have no regrets, it’s a once in a lifetime experience.

When my life is almost over (I have lung disease so at least I have a timeline for this lol) that shits how I’m planning on going out.
when i tried it once because my pain meds i used it constantly all day every day from that point, and it was 6 montus ago i used to say i would never touch h if i cant get my script filled how naive i was(and still probably am)
 

Ganjcat

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I’ll play devils advocate here.
Cos the shit is AMAZING.

But you wanna make sure you have INCREDIBLE self control before you do, because it’s heaven in a baggie and I’m probably one of the extremely rare ones who knew after that first hit, if I went again I’d be fucked in a month.

I have no regrets, it’s a once in a lifetime experience.

When my life is almost over (I have lung disease so at least I have a timeline for this lol) that shits how I’m planning on going out.
i should add, when i tried it i was aready addictsd to heavy doses of codeine, dhc, tramadol, opium and anything i could get daily for 5+ years before i tried h so i think i lasted quite well.
 

Meth novice 79

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i should add, when i tried it i was aready addictsd to heavy doses of codeine, dhc, tramadol, opium and anything i could get daily for 5+ years before i tried h so i think i lasted quite well.
Yeah I hear ya man.
It was 2 years ago I tried real heroin, I already had issues with codeine misuse that point.
That was IV, and is the one thing I won’t do again until my quality of life is already diminished to zero.
I still use opiates but I won’t put them in a needle now, it’s just my line.

I still scam my doc into codeine and abuse that to the point he will allow (he’s liberal but not stupid lol) but interestingly I don’t find morphine or endone any good, they don’t provide any buzz at all. Any chance you’d know why?
The morph I had was 60mg.
I’m not sure about the endone
 

Ganjcat

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I got even more heroin on credit had most of it, can barely see i have to squint my eye and close the other just to focus im not gonna tyoe anymore because i have used auto correct a hundred times in the last ten min just it just aint working im not posting anything else until i sober up:D
 

Meth novice 79

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I got even more heroin on credit had most of it, can barely see i have to squint my eye and close the other just to focus im not gonna tyoe anymore because i have used auto correct a hundred times in the last ten min just it just aint working im not posting anything else until i sober up:D
Me after 3 days awake on meth 😂😂😂
 

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i was a chipper for like... 5 years? smoking once a a month then once a week, used to shoot it for a couple of years and then back to smoking, unfortunately i've been developing a bit of an habit lately. yeah I wish I wouldn't have touched it in the first place hah

I just fucking love opiates btw did anyone know for you smokers out their that if you exhale through your tooter you will collect twice as much resin pretty cool
damn, i'm gonna try that later, thanks for the tip
 
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Jessicamay1992

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Should I Try Heroin? MegaThread




With the recent abundance of “Should I try heroin?” or “Is trying H a good idea?” threads, we have decided it would be worth it to create a megathread discussing the topic, where all posts relating to such debate can be compiled.

If you have this question, or any question specifically about your first time trying H that falls under the category of “Should a non-heroin user suddenly decide to try H for the first time?” please post here.

For basic info about heroin itself, please refer to the Heroin Megathread. For info on IV and technique/complications, refer to the IV Megathread.




So, to start off, the basic number one question on your minds if you’re looking at this thread and debating this choice is,

Should I try heroin for the first time?

Obviously, the short and to the point answer would be… NO FUCKING WAY. Of course, we were all young/inexperienced once before we first tried heroin, so we know things are often a lot more complicated then “just say no”.



Some internal questions to ask yourself first:

- Why do you want to try heroin to begin with?

Many people, especially young people, have this glamorous and romantic image of heroin in their head. They see the idea of being a “junky” as this very chic and glorified notion. Maybe your favorite musicians all did heroin, maybe your favorite movies are about heroin, etc.

Using dope is far from glamorous. The reality of heroin addiction is brutal, grotesque, and filthy.

- What do you seek to gain from trying heroin?

Really, what is it you think this drug is going to add to your life? Or are you just bored and want to check it off your list? Here’s where being really honest with yourself is a must. After reading this whole thread, and many of the other heroin related threads on BL, you should have a pretty clear idea of just how ravaged ones life can become from heroin. What positives do you see coming from making this choice?


Justifications to try heroin:

1. I’m only going to try it once.

Famous last words. When evaluating this decision, remember that basically EVERY heroin addict in the world said this at one point in the beginning. Nobody is born with the goal of becoming a raging dope fiend. It is a progressive path and it does not happen over night.

Heroin is one of the most additive drugs, and has ruined so many lives for a reason. The honest chances of you only trying this drug once are incredibly slim to almost non-existent.


2. I will be able to control my use. I won’t get addicted.

Again, this is also something we have all said before. Believe it or not, even long-term heroin addicts sometimes use this justification to relapse. For the beginning user, you may think that because you’ve tried other drugs here and there and didn’t become wrapped up in them, that you’ll be able to control your heroin use as well. This is an incredibly dangerous notion. It is not about will power. Heroin is an incredibly powerful drug with a high so intense, that it makes you want to continue using it, even though it is destroying everything in your life.

Those of us who have been using for a very long time have come across thousands of addicts in our time. Do you want to know how many we have met that were ever able to control their use or “chip” for any real period of time? Practically none. Sure you may be able to hold it together for a few months or even a few years, but almost everybody slips up, and before you know it, you are in way too deep.


3. If I do get addicted, I’ll just stop. How hard can it be?

Stopping heroin is one of the hardest things you’ll ever do in your life. Not only is the psychological aspect incredibly intense and all consuming, but also once you develop a physical dependency, you will have withdrawals, and that is something you cannot be prepared for.

Coming off heroin is an incredibly painful and brutal experience, one that only gets worse the more times you do it. You will not be able to just shake it off. This is why the majority of people who become dependent on heroin, end up having a life long battle.


4. I don’t have regular access to it, so I can’t do it everyday, even if I wanted to.


This is a very common justification. Many beginning users considering trying heroin have come across it out of the blue or have to travel very far to get it. They think that this will force them into being casual users or never trying it again.

The truth is that after getting a taste for heroin, you will slowly start to work on getting more opportunities. Many users end up driving hours and hours from home just to score dope. Believe this, you WILL find a way to do it again, even if it is very sporadic at first, eventually you will get a source for it, and all bets will be off.





Common first-timer questions:

- How long can I use for without getting withdrawals?

This varies from person to person. However, for the majority of people, in the beginning, it takes a good few weeks-months of using everyday before a physical dependency is developed. For some people it happens much sooner, others later.

The danger is you never know when that extra day of using is going to be too much. The more you use heroin, the more your body gets used to it. The fact of the matter is, if you use heroin everyday, or with any real regularity greater than once or twice a week, you will eventually become dependent.

Also, after you pick up your first habit, you become dependent again much faster in the future. It will eventually get to the point where even using 2 days in a row, is enough to create withdrawals.

- How fast does an overdose happen?

There is a common misconception that OD’s, especially from IV heroin, happen instantly. While this is true in a lot of instances, overdoses can happen at any point even up to an hour after using (and if one is redosing throughout a short period of time, can happen even after an hour or more).

- Do you get addicted after one use?

While you do not develop a physical dependency after one use (it takes many days in the beginning of using in a row for this to happen) a psychological addiction can start to develop very early. It is a myth that a person becomes addicted in any way after one use, but it is true that’s all it takes sometimes to start you down a path of future addiction.


***For some stories on how heroin (and other drugs) have impacted peoples lives, check out the Personal Accounts of Addiction thread. There are some very real and raw entries there on the reality of how heroin can destroy your life.

***Also check out the Case Studies thread, and realize how easily this all ends up happening.




Note: This thread was meant as a very basic guide. Obviously there is much more to say and talk about, so if you have any specific questions relating to the topic, feel free to make a post here.


Good luck, all.
Whatever you do dont try it. I was hooked for 4 years. I was the walking dead, my only wish was to die. My life is so much better without that shit. You never only did it once.
 
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