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MDMA - First Time - Subtle but delightful

ammonite

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Me: Late forties, male, married, 160 lbs, little drug experience beyond alcohol and occasional marijuana, and psilocybin mushrooms a couple of times 15 years ago. I had a bad reaction to the mushrooms which had scared me off anything stronger than marijuana since then. But I’ve had a lifelong fascination with altered consciousness, and a growing fascination with MDMA in particular as I’ve read more about it. I’ve wanted to do this for a long time.

My friend: Similar age, weight, and sex, but very experienced with MDMA and several other drugs. We’ve been good friends for over twenty years- in fact my interest in MDMA dates from reading his account of his first experience with the drug two decades ago. Better late than never…

T-0:45. My friend picks me up at work. I’m feeling excited but very nervous because of my mushroom experience- what if I have another bad reaction? I’m also feeling surreptitious because my wife, being nervous on my behalf for similar reasons, knows of my interest in MDMA but doesn’t want to know in advance when I’m going to do it. Today she thinks I’m having a regular day at work.

T+0:00. We park at a mountain trailhead, and I’m already feeling more relaxed for some reason. We split a ~100 mg gelcap (known to be good quality MDMA) in the car, dissolving the powder in water. My friend recommends doing a half dose and following it with another half dose an hour or so later, to smooth out the sometimes disorienting onset, and I want to go slowly just to be cautious, after my psilocybin experience. I expected a “will-I-or-won’t-I” moment of indecision but no, I follow my friend’s lead and simply drink down the contents of my paper cup without hesitation.

We head up the trail, and I feel increasingly relaxed and happy. It’s too early for this to be an effect of the drug- I’m simply in a beautiful place on a beautiful sunny day, and I have the undivided company of one of my best friends- his presence and experience is reassuring and my remaining nervousness is rapidly evaporating. Easy conversation about “real” topics as we walk.

T+0:20. We find a shady spot off the trail and sit down, and continue our comfortable conversation, about the state of our respective marriages (mostly very good), getting older, our friendship, and other random but interesting topics. I’m watching for signs of the drug but not feeling more than a slight hint, and I know it’s too early to feel much. After a while, I think maybe I feel some subtle electrical sensations on my skin, but maybe I’m imagining it.

T+0:45. My friend is starting to feel the familiar effects. He rubs his hands together and says that it feels good- I do the same and it feels pretty normal. But I continue to be very happy and relaxed. My relaxation is surprising in retrospect- here I am on the threshold of something I’ve looked forward to for years, and I feel serene.

T+1:00. I say “I’m having a delightful time, but I’m not feeling much from the drug”. I suppose that in reality my delight was partly due to the drug taking effect, but this sure wasn’t obvious to me at the time. Anyway, we split another 100 mg gelcap. My friend wants to continue up the trail, so off we go.

T+1:30. After another mile or so we’re in a shady canyon where we find an inviting slab of rock just below the trail, and settle down there. I’m *very* happy at this point, but not otherwise feeling altered. It seems like a completely natural happiness. We lie down on the rock and after a short while I take his hand- this also feels very natural. I’m affectionate by nature and I have no hang-ups about same-sex touching, but don’t often feel comfortable about physically expressing my affection for my friends (of either sex) as much as I’d like- it’s too hard for me figure out whether they are comfortable with it. The rare occasions where I’ve been able to express my affection to the full have always been golden moments for me. So this is a golden moment too.

T+1:45. (maybe- who cares anymore. My friend makes me take off my watch eventually- I think he thinks I’m treating this too much as an experiment. This is true, but I’m having a hell of a good time too). I get up briefly to see how I’m feeling and I definitely have a pleasant spacey, altered, sensation now, but it’s fairly subtle. We listen to some music on headphones- trancy electronica (William Orbit) which fits the mood nicely. I had expected music to sound different, more amazing, than usual, but it’s simply pleasant. Still, as sometimes with marijuana, maybe I can focus on the nuances of the music better than usual. We continue to touch- we progress easily from hand-holding to cuddling, then backrubs (off with our shirts) and head rubs and face caresses. It all feels delightful but the delight is more mental (this wonderful freedom to fully express my affection!) than an enhanced physical sensation. I do find the fuzzy texture of my friend’s body and the bristly texture of his unshaven chin fascinating, so different from my wife’s smooth skin, but the fascination is mostly because it’s a new sensation- I never touch guys in this way. I kiss him on the hand, knee, shoulder, forehead, and once (very chastely) on the lips, just because I can. It’s mostly simple affection, though his caressing of my face (butterfly touches on my eyelids) as I lean against him feels surprisingly sexy for a moment, and I tell him so- I have no inhibitions about saying anything at all. I feel great love for him, probably more than usual, and tell him that too, but my feelings don’t seem unusual at the time- only the freedom to express them feels different.

Such intense physical affection between essentially straight guys seems remarkable when I write it down, as though the drug is having a powerful effect. But mostly these are things I’d like to do in any case, given my affectionate nature and the warmth of my feelings for my friend. The drug just says “relax, it’s OK, if you want to do this, you can do it. If you want to say this, you can say it”.

Time passes delightfully. Sometimes we cuddle, sometimes we sit or lie apart. Once, I stand on the edge of the rock and spread my arms to embrace the afternoon. There’s comfortable conversation about what we are experiencing, comfortable silences, and music when we feel like it, as we watch the shadows change on the rocks. My friend points out a tree swaying very slightly in the breeze and we watch it for a while- it’s fascinating and beautiful without seeming unusual in any identifiable way. I’ve brought a camera and notepad but feel no desire to record anything. I’m interested in what I don’t feel: my body feels relaxed, pretty normal really, no physical euphoria. I have no jaw clenching or other tension, no eye wiggles. I’ve brought a mirror along and check out my reflection- I look simply happy. My pupils aren’t obviously dilated (maybe because we’re outdoors on a bright afternoon). The canyon looks beautiful, but how could it not in this lovely afternoon light?

T+4:30. (maybe). I sit up and say “I feel normal again”, though there’s no dramatic change. Maybe I’ve been “normal” for a while, maybe I won’t be “normal” for a while yet. In any case, there’s no disappointment- I’m still in this wonderful place with my dear friend. We continue to hug a while longer and it feels as good as before. But then I’m ready to move on, and we pack up and hit the trail once more, hiking further up the canyon and continuing to chat- we talk about our reactions to deaths in our families, whether the human race is a good thing (this afternoon I’m inclined to think so), and so on. It’s a seamless transition into a regular afternoon hike. Eventually we turn around and head back, stopping for another cuddly hug as we return past the rock slab where we’d spent the afternoon.

T+6:45. We’re back at the car and begin the drive home. The evening light looks stunning, probably just because it really is stunning. Back home, we surprise my wife with the news of how we spent the day- she’s very happy to hear that I had a great time, and (of course) that I survived the experience with no ill effects. After a while my friend heads home, and I nibble on a salad (I still have very little appetite), and tell my wife all about the day.

I don’t sleep well that night, but that’s not unusual, and I wake up in the morning reasonably refreshed with no trace of a hangover. The main after-effect the next day is a tendency to stare out the window with a smile on my face, remembering everything. I have lunch with my friend and feel comfortable with him, though we are quiet- I notice that some of my usual inhibitions are back in place.

What strikes me about the experience, compared to many others that I’ve read about, is that it was both very subtle and entirely delightful. The drug definitely affected me- I wouldn’t normally be so uninhibited, physically or verbally, and my love for my friend seemed (in retrospect) stronger than usual, but most of what I felt, including my great happiness, could plausibly be blamed on the perfect setting and company. Most striking about the drug’s effects was that they were seamless- there was no moment of thinking “OK, now I’m high”. I simply became a happier, less inhibited, and more loving version of myself, and hardly noticed the change. But I liked being that person.

I’m not disappointed that the experience wasn’t more intense, though I’m intrigued- I’d expected 100 mg of good-quality MDMA to have a stronger effect on a medium-weight neophyte. I’ve read that pure MDMA powder gives a more subtle, “cleaner”, experience than most pills (though I don’t understand why), so maybe that’s the difference- this was definitely subtle and clean. Or maybe the MDMA content of the capsules was less than I thought. Or maybe my expectations were simply too high- my friend’s experience was similar to mine, though maybe with somewhat stronger physical effects, and he thought his experience was pretty typical.

In any case, it was a wonderful time- a perfect drug for me. I hope to try it again before too long.
 
Im glad you enjoyed it, ive never heard of anyone who consumed actual MDMA not like it, but i guess anything is possible. You should be very greatful for obtaining MDMA powder aka MOLLY. I havent found pure stuff in a while, but when i did recently it was MDA tablets not MDMA and i enjoy MDMA more then MDA. i love this drug, and you sound like the type that can control your use so dont get crazy and start doing it once a week, because you will lose your magic. I use to do it everyday! and 3/4 it wasnt pure or MDMA at all as i didnt have a tester. I enjoyed your report it was well written.
 
The subtle effects are based on your setting, outdoors I find especially in nature MDMA becomes less obvious in its effects, I imagine if you were at a rave with very loud music for example you may have felt more of the physical rushing side of things.

Overall sounds like you had a good day and Molly indeed breaks down the physical barriers between people and makes them exceptionally open, more so than pills in my experience.
 
Yea, molly has alot to do with your surroundings and who you use the drug with. I'd watch who you tell this TR to though or how much indepth you explain it... especially your wifey. ;)

But that's just me bro...
 
sounds like a very threshold experience to me. The fact you had very little physical effects, euphoria, visuals of any kind, regular pupils and no hangover attest to this. It sounds to me like you can safely double the dose you took and you won't feel like you're in over your head with the experience... MDMA is so very benevolent.

I would highly suggest this based on your comment that you have been fascinated by alterations in consciousness. It seems like some subtleties of your emotions and inhibitions were shifted but in order to have a sense of wonderous consciousness alteration that MDMA affords you are going to have to dive in a little deeper.

At this point I should mention that mushrooms can be one of the most unusual and downright scary fucking psychedelics if they grab a hold of you. It is totally normal for them to leave people afraid of their power. But I wish to urge you NOT to generalize this characteristic to other drugs, especially MDMA.

If you enjoy the subtle visual changes of cannabis you may find the ones you can get from MDMA to be much more stunning, especially in nature as colors will become saturated and natural fractal patterns will reveal themselves to you. You will also notice emotional connections to what you see and hear as MDMA at the proper dose will induce some mild synesthesia as well.

I could go on and on about the positive effects I've had from moderately high doses but I guess I'm just trying to defend a drug that I think provides one of the most enjoyable overall experiences the psychedelic realm has to offer. The only thing you will have to prepare yourself for is the hangover, which can be very nasty. I keep my MDMA experiences to once a year or less becuase its entirely worthwhile and a good way to put my life into perspective. I just take the mean hangover (including chewed cheeks from bruxism) in stride with the few brain cells I may be damaging...
we only got one life to live, I say go for it!
by the way thanks for sharing, your report was very well written and I think it's fascinating to read reports of people trying psychedelics for the first time closer to middle age instead of teens or college. KEEP US POSTED PLEASE if you decide to continue your experimentation
 
Thanks to you all for your reactions- it's fun to share the experience and get feedback.

Yes, I'd like to try a higher dose next time, whenever that might be- I'd like to experience more of the effects that I've read about on this forum. My long-ago mushroom experience was much more intense and was mostly enjoyable- the only bad thing was that I had a seizure in the middle of it, which was definitely enough to scare me off drugs for a long time. Some kind of weird allergy I guess. I'm glad I'm giving psychoactives another chance now, though I think I should continue to stay clear of 'shrooms!

As for "wifey", she's read this report and heard even more details directly from me, and she's cool with everything, bless her...
 
i think you're luckier to have started low. you can build up and discover more, whereas if you'd been knocked on your ass first time around, you'd possibly miss out on many further wonderous adventures.
 
As a 45 year old who is using this wonderful drug I am enthralled by youir report.

Probably one of if not the best I have ever read.

The way you described it......................."The drug just says “relax, it’s OK, if you want to do this, you can do it. If you want to say this, you can say it”.


Thats just perfect.

Thanks.
 
I really appreciate you posting this report... it was a great read :)

As much as I've been guilty of getting pretty mashed on MDMA in the past, I definitely believe that the subtleties of a smaller dose can be the perfect accompaniment to intimate gatherings with close friends :)

Has your wife expressed any interest in taking it with you?
 
Nice report!

Damn, it 'sounds' like it could have been a report for a much lower dose, seeing as 100mg still puts me on a fairly higher level than stated. But everyone is different and your mind may be handing the alteration in a much easier way than most.

Great explanations, descriptions, and comparisons.
 
Nope, we split two capsules between us over the course of an hour, so we both had the equivalent of one capsule. But I don't really know how much MDMA was in each capsule- maybe it was actually less than 100 mg. In fact based on your responses it seems likely that the dose was smaller, unless I have an unusually high tolerance.
 
sounds like you had a perfectly normal trip for that kind of dose....and it's true that experiencing MDMA in such a quiet setting might have damped the "oh my fucking god" feelings of MDMA euphoria. Most of the things you described sound like a perfect empathic-like high, just like clean MDMA is.

if you want to go and partake on the full euphoric MDMA, I'd start with 125mg next time.

Also, the first time I did MDMA was on doses like you mentioned it. It wasn't until the third time that I got to experience the "the woodpile was so beautiful, it held all the beauty my heart could take", like shulgin would put it.
 
I agree the experience sounds right for the dose, and the fact that you took it in two half-doses would have made the come-up very subtle and gentle. Back when it was legal, I think the recommended dose was 120mg, followed by a 60-80mg booster after a couple of hours.

I normally take it in multiples of an 1/8th of a gram (125mg); I find 1/8 gives me plenty of euphoria and a very nice night out, but I still haven't quite lifted all my toes off the ground, I still have some residual inhibitions. The effects are unmistakeable but not intense, and that's the amount I recommend for 1st-timers. For a big night out I take another 1/8 an hour or two later, and then I'm intensely loved up and happy, and there's no wiping the grin off my face! I'm still in control at this stage but I think it's close to my limit.

But you can never start too low, sounds like you had a lovely 1st time. Thanks for the report, take care and have fun
 
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MazDan said:
The way you described it......................."The drug just says “relax, it’s OK, if you want to do this, you can do it. If you want to say this, you can say it”.

Thats just perfect.

Agreed; I was stuck on that quote myself.

It sounds like you had an amazing experience. Congratulations! Your write-up was superb!

Thanks for posting. :)
 
Did you try some more?

Lovely report. I've enjoyed getting closer to other guys on MDMA.
 
thanks for such a beautiful report! you just managed to express everything so well - i was never able to find words to describe the effects so seamlessly.

MDMA is very subtle when taken outdoors i reckon - just very serene and cruisy yet still beautifully and subtly heightened senses - i love it. The beautiful thing about MDMA is i find its adaptable. Its suits quiet outdoor events, big loud doof doofs and even just gatherings with friends. and each time always provides a beautiful experience.

your a champ and you definately give me hope in the human race that there are people your age who are actually sensible and wanting to get the most out of life such as experience altered states of mind. (coz sorry to mention but all the guys i know your age here are conservative and boring and compeltely non-tolerant of that kind of behaviour)

i love that effect MDMA has on guys that they can open up to each other, get touchy feely and know its not sexually related in any way - that its just normal. I always find myself asking can't the human race be like this all the time when i witness that MDMA behaviour :)

You should send your report to EROWID as i was suggested to do with my report a while ago. You report kicks arse
 
Thanks, Sun, for resurrecting my old report! I've tried E a couple of times since then- I posted a report here last October or November about my second time, when I took 1.5 capsules. The third time I took two, and had a more intense experience that was very fun but not necessarily better than the previous lower doses- I got too lazy, and had trouble remembering everything later. So if I ever get a chance to do it again, I'll probably go back to a smaller dose.

Even at the higher dose, I didn't get the intense euphoria that others have described- it was always "Mmmmm" rather than "Wow!". And the sensory enhancements have been mild (favorite music, and loving touches, are wonderful but they are sometimes just as wonderful when sober). But the loss of verbal and physical inhibitions is delicious, and would be my main reason to do the drug again. I think I've learned enough from those moments of freedom to be able to apply them, in small ways, to my sober life- I find myself recapturing that "E-state" sometimes, and it's always great when it happens.

And thanks, Party, for your kind words- yes, some of us old fogeys are still on your wavelength. I loved your recent report, too.
 
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