I'm hoping this will be a useful and informative thread that extends beyond the specifics about substances into relevant stuff about effects. I'm mainly curious about information or experience with "chemically-assisted suggestibility".
As an aside, I use that string of words because my reading up on hypnosis leads me to conclude that the academic consensus seems to be that it's a form of focussed relaxation plus cognitive behavioural therapy/"neuro-linguistic programming"/superstitious incantation etc... (they all sound like fancy ways of just "saying stuff") through suggestion whilst the recipient is in a non-magical condition (not "state") of focussed relaxation.
Academic research indicates this registers effects on fMRI scans, but that doesn't seem to alter the "induction" aspect (which may not be needed) being just a relaxing chat to stir up your imagination; my reading also revealed that the parts of your brain that do imagination, are the same that do memory, and that memories are reconstructed every time your brain retrieves them.
So i've read all the tinhatter style pages about historical mind control, and read snippets here and there, on very old threads here, on a drugs-forum site, and on reddit, and probably other places too, about experiences of things like hypnosis tried under the influence of different substances.
I'm curious if anyone's had any experience or has any thoughts about it.
I've read some people think LSD works because of the reported suggestibility or Cannabis works, perhaps because Cannabis is possibly an acetylcholine agonist, and i've read bits about various antimuscarinics, but i'm wondering whether an acetylcholine inhibitor could even work: it might make someone more suggestible, but is anything going to go in and stay in?!
With any of these substances, is the subject going to be able to receive and accept any kind of hypnosis/CBT/NLP, or would attempting it just be pissing in the wind?!
I'm essentially a bit sceptical about hypnosis. I read a bit of academic reports saying it's a thing, and it works, but there are lots of conflicting bits of info, as well as gaps around induction into a suggestible state, and "outduction" (can't think of a word), but it seems to be said both that everyone enters a "hypnotic state" at least twice a day (transition between sleep and awake), and also that some people don't respond to hypnotic induction. It seems to me that, if it is a thing then there might be a chemical put there that would help anyone get into a "hypnotic state", and able to benefit from post hypnotic suggestions; or maybe it is all just placebo?
Anyway, apologies if this has been discussed before, but otherwise, please share your thoughts and experiences.
Thanks.
As an aside, I use that string of words because my reading up on hypnosis leads me to conclude that the academic consensus seems to be that it's a form of focussed relaxation plus cognitive behavioural therapy/"neuro-linguistic programming"/superstitious incantation etc... (they all sound like fancy ways of just "saying stuff") through suggestion whilst the recipient is in a non-magical condition (not "state") of focussed relaxation.
Academic research indicates this registers effects on fMRI scans, but that doesn't seem to alter the "induction" aspect (which may not be needed) being just a relaxing chat to stir up your imagination; my reading also revealed that the parts of your brain that do imagination, are the same that do memory, and that memories are reconstructed every time your brain retrieves them.
So i've read all the tinhatter style pages about historical mind control, and read snippets here and there, on very old threads here, on a drugs-forum site, and on reddit, and probably other places too, about experiences of things like hypnosis tried under the influence of different substances.
I'm curious if anyone's had any experience or has any thoughts about it.
I've read some people think LSD works because of the reported suggestibility or Cannabis works, perhaps because Cannabis is possibly an acetylcholine agonist, and i've read bits about various antimuscarinics, but i'm wondering whether an acetylcholine inhibitor could even work: it might make someone more suggestible, but is anything going to go in and stay in?!
With any of these substances, is the subject going to be able to receive and accept any kind of hypnosis/CBT/NLP, or would attempting it just be pissing in the wind?!
I'm essentially a bit sceptical about hypnosis. I read a bit of academic reports saying it's a thing, and it works, but there are lots of conflicting bits of info, as well as gaps around induction into a suggestible state, and "outduction" (can't think of a word), but it seems to be said both that everyone enters a "hypnotic state" at least twice a day (transition between sleep and awake), and also that some people don't respond to hypnotic induction. It seems to me that, if it is a thing then there might be a chemical put there that would help anyone get into a "hypnotic state", and able to benefit from post hypnotic suggestions; or maybe it is all just placebo?
Anyway, apologies if this has been discussed before, but otherwise, please share your thoughts and experiences.
Thanks.