Found a mushroom grow operation in the kid's room

[NewFaceSameTripper]

You're clearly geeked up right now or something lol. R you being for real?

 

[Kathilliana]

Secondly, we have no idea about the context, it's easy for you to say "just clean your room lol".

Lol.. and thank you.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just say, "clean your room?" Does that kid even exist?

The reason we made the appointment with the psychiatrist is because he has gotten much, much worse in the last six months. His room has always been messy, but he's striving to make some sort of Guinness World Record, here. Think Oscar Madison.

He's become extremely defiant and hostile when we even attempt to have a discussion with him about his future. We're so far away from a clean room it's ridiculous. His meltdowns are out of control, loud and destructive - he loves to break things, and he's very good at it.

I made this psychiatrist appointment back in December. I called about a dozen before I gave up and realized I wasn't going to get an appointment sooner than 12 weeks. We are anxiously awaiting this; he is in desperate need of help.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

You're clearly geeked up right now or something lol. R you being for real?

Uh, no, what do you mean? What am I missing here?
His room is (very) dirty, he has psychological problems and he was growing mushrooms. That's all we know, and somehow you conclude this:

Yeah you gotta respect your own living quarters.
Just think about it if someone clearly doesn't have a care for their own cleanliness/healthiness. There's some issue there.
How can you expect a person who had no care for "themselves" to care about another humans life. What they are, human.

We're talking about a kid with some problems here, it's not the end of the world. I found it a little distasteful to say he can't care for other humans. I really don't know what this has to do with the whole topic as well.
The way YOU were raised seems fairly irrelevant, as well as the deadbolts remark (??).
I apologize if I understood you completely wrong, but to be fair, I was under the impression you were under the influence of something

 

[Kathilliana]

Haha, this guy... acid, shrooms
I wish you all the best!

Thank you. I expect it to go well once he realizes we're not going to go ballistic on him.

 

[Kathilliana]

Uh, no, what do you mean? What am I missing here?
His room is (very) dirty, he has psychological problems and he was growing mushrooms. That's all we know, and somehow you conclude this:

We're talking about a kid with some problems here, it's not the end of the world. I found it a little distasteful to say he can't care for other humans. I really don't know what this has to do with the whole topic as well.
The way YOU were raised seems fairly irrelevant, as well as the deadbolts remark (??).
I apologize if I understood you completely wrong, but to be fair, I was under the impression you were under the influence of something

I have literally no clue where NewFace is coming from, here. It's not important. One judgmental person is a dream compared to the bashing I faced at the shroomy place. Getting called a lousy parent because I don't want my kid to die is very odd, indeed.

 

[NewFaceSameTripper]

Man whatever lol. If you can contemplate how to cultivate drugs AND do it. You should have the IQ to wipe your own ass. Lmao.


The fact y'all are like it's okay he's creating drugs but let's be all nice about him being dirty.

Be A Parent. Fuck.

 

[cj]

Letting him have a grow op in your house is a bad call. The legal implications could be drastic for you and him. Especially if he starts supplying his friends. It's easy to go from I'm going to give my buddy some to I'm going to sell them to everyone at school. That may sound dumb but teenagers don't have much sense of delayed gratification. Or he could end up tripping too often which can lead to a nasty depression. I really fucked myself up in highschool avusing phychedlics the resulting depression has never completely lifted even a decade later.

I'm not a parent but I have observed that most all my friends who had overly permissive parents ended up with problems. Addiction, unemployment, unwanted kids ect. I'm not saying be unreasonable just set some reasonable expectations so he won't feel like he has the go ahead to do whatever. Learning to be discreet is a good skill to teach someone interested in drugs. Just my .02

I wish you the best I can tell you have his best interest in mind. And definitely follow up with that phychiatrist.

 

[SpareRib]

I have no info on growing shrooms but I just wanted to jump in here and say that I have a young son with ASD and your post scares the living crap out of me! I can totally understand the need to reward your son for taking care of himself, and if growing makes him happy and he is relatively safe, well, it may not be such a bad thing as long as it's done in moderation. Unfortunately, I do agree that legal implications could be drastic. You are a great parent for even considering letting him continue to grow though!

 

[NewFaceSameTripper]

Mommy I ate food and now pressure is inside me and I pooped. Oh you'll clean that up for me thanks mommy.

I'm trolling the rest of this thread. Ban me BL if you wanna always smile an keep a thumps up.

 

[NewFaceSameTripper]

Cmon where are all the hippies who dont like showers? Lmao

 

[Xorkoth]

Dude I like you from the social thread but for real I have no idea where you're coming from at all. Very unnecessary hostility, inappropriate, please stop, thanks.

 

[NewFaceSameTripper]

Uh, no, what do you mean? What am I missing here?
His room is (very) dirty, he has psychological problems and he was growing mushrooms. That's all we know, and somehow you conclude this:

We're talking about a kid with some problems here, it's not the end of the world. I found it a little distasteful to say he can't care for other humans. I really don't know what this has to do with the whole topic as well.
The way YOU were raised seems fairly irrelevant, as well as the deadbolts remark (??).
I apologize if I understood you completely wrong, but to be fair, I was under the impression you were under the influence of something

Dude I like you from the social thread but for real I have no idea where you're coming from at all. Very unnecessary hostility, inappropriate, please stop, thanks.

Really? You dont know where I'm coming from lmao. Unless you heard an automatic spray. Ppl die in the streets everyday but since its shrooms
. Lol

 

[nuube]

Letting him have a grow op in your house is a bad call. The legal implications could be drastic for you and him. Especially if he starts supplying his friends. It's easy to go from I'm going to give my buddy some to I'm going to sell them to everyone at school. That may sound dumb but teenagers don't have much sense of delayed gratification. Or he could end up tripping too often which can lead to a nasty depression. I really fucked myself up in highschool avusing phychedlics the resulting depression has never completely lifted even a decade later.

I'm not a parent but I have observed that most all my friends who had overly permissive parents ended up with problems. Addiction, unemployment, unwanted kids ect. I'm not saying be unreasonable just set some reasonable expectations so he won't feel like he has the go ahead to do whatever. Learning to be discreet is a good skill to teach someone interested in drugs. Just my .02

I wish you the best I can tell you have his best interest in mind. And definitely follow up with that phychiatrist.

This advice is good ^^^^ permissive parents are not what young people need, (and yeah call me a Nazi or whatever - I watched my mates who had permissive parents end up in jail or in and out of rehab while I who had fuckers of parents that kept a good hold on me, although allowing me increasing freedoms as I could manage them even with my fucking about, and ended up with a career and family). I watch permissive parents now and their kids are drinking from early teens and causing havoc as their parents fail to reign them in. The stats will show that those drinking earlier fall into addiction and other issues much more easily than those who had a proper, (yeah I said proper, get over it), upbringing with limits and punishments for passing those limits.


The issue here is not the dirty conditions mushrooms are grown in - they grow in shite for godsakes. Also look in your cupboard, have you rice, vegetables? Guess what they are grown in? They spread cow manure over grass for it to grow better and cows eat this shit sprayed grass and you drink their milk.

The issue is your son. I seemed to have missed what age he is there is a difference if he is 13 or 23 however you do say he is suffering with depression combined with severe anxiety. You also go on to say:

He's become extremely defiant and hostile when we even attempt to have a discussion with him about his future. We're so far away from a clean room it's ridiculous. His meltdowns are out of control, loud and destructive - he loves to break things, and he's very good at it. I made this psychiatrist appointment back in December. I called about a dozen before I gave up and realized I wasn't going to get an appointment sooner than 12 weeks. We are anxiously awaiting this; he is in desperate need of help.

Is it me or should a person suffering like this not be habitually using psychedelics - if one trip doesn't rectify his issues 20 aren't. He needs to address what ever the issues are that are causing his problems not sit tripping in his parents house. I am in no way judging anyone. I think this family needs proper advice and support not a focus on the shrooms - they are another symptom of a deep seated problem that is not going to get better even if his cupboard becomes a sterile environment.

Drug free would be the first approach I'd look to be taking. Building up a trusting relationship will not be facilitated by allowing activities that will at this time be harmful and counter-productive. I think maybe look at some family type therapy where you can all see someone and speak - many psychiatrists think that because they can help a single person at a time that they can work with their family - they can't. Family therapy is a very specialist therapy and MUST be conducted by a proper therapist.

There is help out there for you, but not I fear on a drug harm reduction site. Good luck and lots of love and good vibes going your way. I hope you all get relief soon.

 

[Mafioso]

I'm with CJ. I don't really think it is a good idea to allow it, especially with his condition that OP mentioned.

Most of my friends got involved with taking psychedelics. It's not an uncommon idea to take the drugs with the intention to "face your inner demons" type of thing, hoping to be better or different after the experience. A lot of people take the drugs with the intention to cure a specific ailment like depression. And if can give a person feelings of profound epiphany and euphoria, a feeling like one had overcome something like depression and a supposed clarity on life.

But just as the drug doesn't last forever, neither do these feelings. And there are also potential major negative aspects of taking drugs like psychedelics. Apart from having a bad experience while on the drug, many people are left feeling confused and even more lost once the trip is over.

I honestly think it's a bit naively hopeful and wishful thinking to believe that any drug by itself can cure something as pervasive as depression. Especially a drug that is taken only once every so often. It doesn't seem logical from a neurological standpoint and there isnt really any evidence to back those types of claims, only massive speculation. These drugs may have massive potential, but how the drugs are consumed(dose, frequency, set and setting) can make all the difference. Drugs like antidepressants can have very negative side effects when not taken as directed, and even at times when they are, so a great deal of caution by both the family and physician should be taken.

To allow your son who is mentally challenged the ability to dose indiscriminately seems like a pretty wild idea to me. What's the parenting protocol when/if he eats an ounce of those things and is freaking the fuck out? Do you only wait until something bad has happened to do something? Call me a Nazi but I don't know anyone who has tripped out on mushrooms and suddenly became more employable, responsible and independent. Even if I did, that wouldn't take away the potential risk. It seems a bit like gambling with the last bit of your savings with the belief that you'll probably win the lottery.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

We found a grow operation in our son's room. I have one question. Is it dangerous to use magic mushrooms that have been grown in a completely disgusting environment?

Our kid is challenged, and he is going to the psychiatrist in a couple of weeks to see if we can figure out what's going on with him. (He has Asperberger's.)

I just went into his room, which we try to stay out of, because it's so disgusting in there. I was looking for laundry baskets. I found dirty dishes, garbage everywhere, dirty laundry, and a grow operation in a not-hermetically sealed tub.

I have always understood that mushrooms need to be grown in a sterile environment or they were dangerous, if not deadly. Is there any truth to this? I want answers when we confront him.

Any help is appreciated. I tried googling, but couldn't come across anything about the dangers associated with growing them.

Yes, it is not safe to take them. Also you could get in major legal trouble if the police or child services, his school, etc. find out that you are letting him grow, and take illegal drugs at home.

Mushrooms need to be grown in an extremely sterile environment. People make DIY flowhoods and sterilize the equipment, etc. even when just growing standard button or shiitake mushrooms-which are completely legal and not psychedelic.

I know multiple people who ate mushrooms that they thought were grown in a very sterile environment but some unseen mould got into the substrate or culture and the mushrooms looked normal and fine but they ate them and got incredibly sick.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Yeah you gotta respect your own living quarters.

Just think about it if someone clearly doesn't have a care for their own cleanliness/healthiness. There's some issue there.

How can you expect a person who had no care for "themselves" to care about another humans life. What they are, human.

I dont have mushroom growing advice other than not "Knowling" let someone cultivate/manufacture different plants/substances without understanding what's happening.. cmon.

But yeah lol I'd throw parental guidance towards self respect b4 shrooms. No hate intended.

Exactly. The parents need to law down the law and take control. Their house, their rules. They are letting the kid treat them like a doormat.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Hey Kathilliana, I'm sorry you had a bad experience at the Shroomery forums. I know people have said things have gone down hill over there over the years but I'm here to tell you you'll find much the same attitude in many forums. I've been using that forum/site for many years, almost 2 decades now, and there have never been a shortage of idiots over there. A member actually is the source of that phrase "I told you I was hardcore" because he took massive doses of benzos and methadone while multiple members watched him on webcam. They basically watched him die and were afraid to do anything for fear of law enforcement coming to question them. I was idling in the irc channel at the time and would have called for help if I'd known it was happening. I was either busy sleeping or working so unfortunately I wasn't aware it was going on until many hours later. It was a sad night.

Anyway, I'm happy you're attempting to be a cool parent and I try not to give people advice on raising their kids but I'm going to make an exception for this thread. First off, DO NOT allow him to run any type of grow operation out of your house. It doesn't matter if you know about it or not when he gets caught (and he will) you'll be facing the law. In most states when a grow operation is found the law seizes everything of value and the state seizes everything that's left when it goes to court. I've seen this happen multiple times when locals had a small grow op of cannabis and got caught. The state will claim everything you own was purchased with drug money: house, cars, land, boats, and anything else will be seized and it'll be claimed you purchased it all with drug profits. Do not take this chance. You need to nip this in the bud as soon as possible. Toss those shrooms and everything related to the grow OP in the yard. If you're lucky you might harvest some if they start growing wild.

On the subject of his behavior: I know this runs counter to typical wisdom these days in the safe world we live in but have you considered whooping his ass? I know he's got developmental problems and what-not but that's just going to become a life long excuse for him if you allow him to continue down this path. If he back talks you give him a good slap. If he refuses to do what is expected of him give him a whoopin'. If you are totally against this idea at least discipline in other ways. Take away the cell phone, the computer, the video games and anything else he considers fun. Make him do his chores, make him get a job. Make him start paying rent so he respects the home you allow him to live in. Make him go to bed without supper. Make him wash dishes/take out trash/feed the pets/clean and dust the house etc. Make him understand he's either going to pull his weight and be part of the family or he can go elsewhere.

He may rebel and leave. We all do. But a few nights in the rain/cold along with the scary thought of not knowing where the next meal is coming from should be all he needs to understand how good he has it right now. A shrink is just going to suck your wallet dry and do talk therapy or at worst have him on a cocktail of drugs. In my experience none of that really helps the underlying problems they just mask them at best. You can't be his friend you have to be his parent and often times that means doing things he's not going to like.

Last but not least: if he's got depression/anxiety problems using mushrooms and LSD can make them worse in the long run. I'm happy to hear you're open to the idea of him using these substances but understand that he's most likely doing them for fun and not for improving himself. When you start to see improvements in his behavior perhaps then it'll be a good time to revisit them. For now it's probably best that he stays sober and works on the problems he's having.

At the end of the day it's your kid and your problem. I'm happy to see you actually care. A lot of us didn't have a parent that even cared.

 

[nuttynutskin]

Any deal we make with the kid will definitely involve us getting part of the harvest.

This worries me.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I did go to the website and was able to get the information. Those are some pretty judgy people over there. Lol... I'm being told we are lousy parents and generally getting attacked. I was called Nixon AND Karl Marx.
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You'll have to excuse them. The have sacred mushroom knowledge and are therefore smarter than everyone.

 

[NewFaceSameTripper]

This worries me.

EXACTLY. lol. A "great" parent EXTORTING their child. I guess I get it it's a life lesson situation. Again CMON.