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Question regarding LTC (11 years now)

RiversUK

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Hi all!

So my story starts in 2008, when stupidly as a teenager I obtained a ?20 bag of MDMA at a house party clueless to how much to take etc and basically dabbed away at it all night. I woke up in the morning and the bag wasnt there. I dunno If I took it all, but anyway. My life was different after that.

Basically it brought about a crippling anxiety disorder mainly centering around health anxiety and a mild DP/DR, floaters etc..

I also developed muscle twitching, which brought on years of obsessive thoughts over motor neuron diseases etc.. Which even to this day I have not yet shaken off.

My question to you guys is this..

Am I right in thinking that such a ridiculous dose of MDMA would cause oxidative damage to my DNA? and oxidative damage is one of the main causes of neurodegenerative diseases such as Mnd..

To be honest I don't fully understand oxidative stress and how it works/wether it can be healed? I was hoping one of you more educated types could give me a little more information as the Web is not proving helpful to me.

Thanks a lot guys.
 
I was always prone to being anxious so I suspect my experience brought a disorder to the surface.

But yes, they got better, either that or I learned to live with my new flaws.

My life is otherwise normal. Kids, job, house etc..
 
I was always prone to being anxious so I suspect my experience brought a disorder to the surface.

But yes, they got better, either that or I learned to live with my new flaws.

My life is otherwise normal. Kids, job, house etc..

I think its all related to anxiety, I also was prone to being anxious before LTC, also was too hard on myself with strict diet, exercise. Its almost impossible to have those symptoms for 11 years due to some physical damage. I also have been tested for neurological diseases, attention, cognition and memory and it all came normal or above average... But I was preoccupied that I have some brain damage... My doctor after a couple of test prescribed me Wellbutrin due to some motivational and "get stuff done" problems I have with work/education, but I was like this before LTC all the time so maybe LTC just makes anxiety/depression/ADD worse?
Who knows... I'm 3 years now, but starting fo feel much more better before this LTC thing.
 
MDMA/MDA do not cause oxidative damage to your DNA. I am thinking that your continuing symptoms are anxiety-related... and that use of the MDMA brought out an pre-existing anxiety disorder. Do you get treatment for the anxiety and obsessive thoughts? Many people suffer from these symptoms without ever having taken MDMA, but strong drug experiences are known to bring out conditions that would have developed anyway. Anxiety is well-known to cause all kinds of mental and physical symptoms, so it's crucial for you to deal with the anxiety. The first thing is to stop telling yourself you have an 11 year long LTC, and that you have DNA damage, and that you have motor neuron disease. You should see an anxiety specialist and work towards resolving your anxiety. Good luck ♥
 
I agree with those who say it's impossible to get symptoms for 11 years.

However it is possible to face lasting issues for 11 years if it's a behavioral problem. If its a physial problem (meaning its caused by hormones out of balance or some kind of brain damage issue) then it will heal with time, maybe taking up to 3 years and in rare cases longer, but pretty much all healed within 3 years.

But if its a behavioral issue, it can persist until death.

Behavioral issues are problems that are reinforced through behaviors. They will persist as long as the reinforcing behavior is still functioning.

imagine there is a guy who is afraid of flying pirannas outside his house. He constantly stays inside his house, and thinks he has saved himself from the flying pirannahs. Little does he know that there is actually no flying pirannas outside his house, and he is just keeping this false anxiety alive with his behavior of keeping himself inside his house.

bottom line, the key to breaking reinforcing behaviors is exposure therapy mixed with CBT thought modifying techniques.
 
MDMA/MDA do not cause oxidative damage to your DNA. I am thinking that your continuing symptoms are anxiety-related... and that use of the MDMA brought out an pre-existing anxiety disorder. Do you get treatment for the anxiety and obsessive thoughts? Many people suffer from these symptoms without ever having taken MDMA, but strong drug experiences are known to bring out conditions that would have developed anyway. Anxiety is well-known to cause all kinds of mental and physical symptoms, so it's crucial for you to deal with the anxiety. The first thing is to stop telling yourself you have an 11 year long LTC, and that you have DNA damage, and that you have motor neuron disease. You should see an anxiety specialist and work towards resolving your anxiety. Good luck ♥

however, monkey studies did show areas of decreased blood flow and loss of serotonin (for 7 years and probably permanently) yes monkeys are different from humans but they are pretty damn close. I doubt our brains are immune to mdma toxicity
 
however, monkey studies did show areas of decreased blood flow and loss of serotonin (for 7 years and probably permanently) yes monkeys are different from humans but they are pretty damn close. I doubt our brains are immune to mdma toxicity
Were the monkeys in those studies not also subjected to very high doses, injected for 4 days, 4 mg per kg?
 
Were the monkeys in those studies not also subjected to very high doses, injected for 4 days, 4 mg per kg?
Correct - but most of don’t know what we actually ingested. Polydrug use makes it way more toxic. Lots of us didn’t test our stuff or mixed it will adderal and booze.
 
^^Well if you didn’t know what you were ingesting then MDMA studies have no bearing on what may have happened to you since it could of been any drug, could of been rat poison..

And pretty sure those dosages were even higher. From my memory, there were also monkeys that died during that study which shows we’re talking high dosages.

Typical dosages for toxicity studies are 20mg/kg every 2 hours, 4 doses in total. This would be like me ingesting 1.3g of MDMA 4 times in a night, totaling 5.2g!!

And even with these dosages we’re seeing fairly good, or complete reversal, of the supposed toxicity it induces...

I believe LTC is either the result of a certain synthesis byproduct, some cut being added intentionally, or those who are afflicted were predisposed to this to begin with.

-GC
 
Hi all!

So my story starts in 2008, when stupidly as a teenager I obtained a ?20 bag of MDMA at a house party clueless to how much to take etc and basically dabbed away at it all night. I woke up in the morning and the bag wasnt there. I dunno If I took it all, but anyway. My life was different after that.

Basically it brought about a crippling anxiety disorder mainly centering around health anxiety and a mild DP/DR, floaters etc..

I also developed muscle twitching, which brought on years of obsessive thoughts over motor neuron diseases etc.. Which even to this day I have not yet shaken off.

My question to you guys is this..

Am I right in thinking that such a ridiculous dose of MDMA would cause oxidative damage to my DNA? and oxidative damage is one of the main causes of neurodegenerative diseases such as Mnd..

To be honest I don't fully understand oxidative stress and how it works/wether it can be healed? I was hoping one of you more educated types could give me a little more information as the Web is not proving helpful to me.

Thanks a lot guys.
What is a 20 bag?
 
20 of whatever particular currency he uses.. So in the US a 20bag is 20$ worth of product, which obviously varies person to person, country to country.

-GC
 
Yea this was also in 2008, the start of the drought and the beginning of the piperazine scourge as well. I’d be surprised if the OP took MDMA at all..

-GC
 
Hi all!

So my story starts in 2008, when stupidly as a teenager I obtained a ?20 bag of MDMA at a house party clueless to how much to take etc and basically dabbed away at it all night. I woke up in the morning and the bag wasnt there. I dunno If I took it all, but anyway. My life was different after that.

Basically it brought about a crippling anxiety disorder mainly centering around health anxiety and a mild DP/DR, floaters etc..

I also developed muscle twitching, which brought on years of obsessive thoughts over motor neuron diseases etc.. Which even to this day I have not yet shaken off.

My question to you guys is this..

Am I right in thinking that such a ridiculous dose of MDMA would cause oxidative damage to my DNA? and oxidative damage is one of the main causes of neurodegenerative diseases such as Mnd..

To be honest I don't fully understand oxidative stress and how it works/wether it can be healed? I was hoping one of you more educated types could give me a little more information as the Web is not proving helpful to me.

Thanks a lot guys.

It stands to logic that if the damages we cause will damage our DNA, then the recovery practices we commit to will restore our DNA. And if our actions change our DNA, its possible to manifest new and more evolved DNA than you have ever had before. After all, before knowing our actions could improve our DNA, we never gave it 100%. Now that we are trying, we will achieve more than we ever had on accident. Conscious evolution, that is one gift that the LTC imbued me with.

I know that the damages we cause to our body can change our genetics. During my LTC i developed a period where my body was unable to metabolize alcohol properly. This shit happened for like 6 months then mysteriously vanished.

DNA changes is the only thing that comes to mind. Many people with that disorder are born with it and have it for the rest of their life. It makes zero sense to how I can develop it for just 6 months and then recover from it. I never came across anyone else who had a similar experience (to my exact situation, I have come across people in similar situations although they had different ailments that manifested).

As for it being oxidative damage, I have no idea but I doubt it. I don't know what causes the damage. I don't care much either, what caused the damage isn't of concern to me. If there is damage, and how do I heal it, that is what matters to me. What caused the damage has proved to be a rabbit hole with no end for me, so i stopped wasting my time there and just focused on how I can recover.

It's been close to 2 years for me and it took everything I had in order to recover but I feel recovery within me. Maybe not 100% but I am stronger than I ever have been. Some things that I lost have not been returned, however I have gained things I never had before. I feel stronger than ever, I am able to face reality as it is and not get trapped into my mind or what I want reality to be. That is a great measure of strength and it's a new ability for me, one that this LTC experience forced to arise within me. It made my life so shitty that I had to face reality and pick up the pieces. OK so it didnt technically force me, I choose to make my life better and recover, but still it pretty much did force my hand by making my life so shitty that I had to take control of my life.

Many of the things about the LTC are not physical, they are mental and behavioral. I still have lingering behavioral habits that cause me issues. Like the tendency to have anxiety about health and shit that just isn't there. I have battled with that demon before and I won before. I am battling it now, and I will fucking WIN! sooner or later.

The last time I recovered, I was able to beat the anxiety by not giving a fuck. it was a half victory though, because that apathy spread and became its own issue.

The way that I am seeking to win now is total victory. I'm dealing with everything, piece by piece, and I will not take any more half victories. Even if that means have to endure a slow, long, painful recovery. I dont give a fuck, I will go the hard way if it means full recovery. Full recovery is the only thing I'm aiming for, not just a retreat from the suffering or a little hole to hide in while chaos rages around me. I plan on standing above ground, feet planted, swinging like a mad man until I'm victorious! Warrior spirit my brother, find it, it will help you on the quest to deal with anxiety.
 
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