is it considered or accepted as gay?

[CoastTwoCoast]

It's all about perspective. While it's true gays can stay 'in the closet' to some extent (at the price of having a life of any meaning or meaningful relationships), homophobia knows no race. Gays have been hated/killed/prejudiced against everywhere amongst all peoples and races, and may never feel at peace or safe because they are never in the majority and always the easily targeted minority. The same is not true for blacks.

Black people are still targeted, hated and killed just for showing their face. It's even worst now with that idiot in office. Now the racial slurs, violence and hatred is even more out in the open because they feel entitled.

All a black person has to do is show their face and they are immediately hated by a majority of people. They don't have a choice to not reveal who they are. They can't just be at peace and move into any community or have certain jobs without being fucked with.

Gay people (mainly white, gay people) can still walk around and fit in if they choose. Black people do not have that option whatsoever.

It is not the same as what black people are still going through and still fighting for. Gay people weren't slaves, c'mon. I respect your opinion though. I'm a huge supporter of gay people and their rights. I just can't stand the comparison.

...and I'm sorry to go off topic.

 

[CFC]

Black people are still targeted, hated and killed just for showing their face. It's even worst now with that idiot in office. Now the racial slurs, violence and hatred is even more out in the open because they feel entitled.

All a black person has to do is show their face and they are immediately hated by a majority of people. They don't have a choice to not reveal who they are. They can't just be at peace and move into any community or have certain jobs without being fucked with.

Gay people (mainly white, gay people) can still walk around and fit in if they choose. Black people do not have that option whatsoever.

It is not the same as what black people are still going through and still fighting for. Gay people weren't slaves, c'mon. I respect your opinion though. I'm a huge supporter of gay people and their rights. I just can't stand the comparison.

...and I'm sorry to go off topic.

As I said, perspective.

You're prioritising places where blacks are in the minority (and it could be any minority race really: asians, latinos, Syrians etc etc).

But gays are always in the minority everywhere in every country. They are of every race, including blacks, and generally therefore always a valid target for majority groups, including blacks.

The same blacks who, for example, form a majority in most of Africa and participate in some of the most violent and disgusting crimes against gay men and women.

You think blacks have it bad in the US, take a look at gays in Uganda, Senegal, the Gambia, Sierra Leone, Tanzania or Kenya (among others).

Take, for example, the Kill The Gays bill in Uganda.

The only reason the comparison is wrong is because gays suffer far worse discrimination.

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

As I said, perspective.

You're prioritising places where blacks are in the minority (and it could be any minority race really: asians, latinos, Syrians etc etc).

But gays are always in the minority everywhere in every country. They are of every race, including blacks, and generally therefore always a valid target for majority groups, including blacks.

The same blacks who, for example, form a majority in most of Africa and participate in some of the most violent and disgusting crimes against gay men and women.

You think blacks have it bad in the US, take a look at gays in Uganda, Tanzania or Kenya.

Then we agree to disagree. You still don't really get my point no matter how many different ways I explain it and you won't so that's ok.

...and if you don't think there's racism within the gay community as well, you're kidding yourself.

I just saw this article about how black people are highly discriminated against in gay communities as well, in the UK.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/blog/challenging-racism-lgbt-community

 

[CFC]

Your 'point' simply isn't valid in the terms you yourself are using.

I agree with you that people shouldn't discriminate against black people, and that it's a terrible thing.

But to imagine that specifically blacks are a special case amongst all other groups of downtrodden people on this earth and beyond comparison to any other is patently false and serves no purpose at all except, perhaps, to ensure some other group's suffering gets ignored.

...and if you don't think there's racism within the gay community as well, you're kidding yourself.

I just saw this article about how black people are highly discriminated against in gay communities as well, in the UK.

Correct, but where did I say or even attempt to imply that? Surely you're capable of extending empathy and understanding for different and multiple forms of overlapping discrimination, not just one kind?

A short, fat, disabled, black, gay, female transgendered person from a poor country, for example, might be at the very bottom of any heap. But must we only consider one form of discrimination as 'valid' and ignore all the others in your world view?

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

Your 'point' simply isn't valid in the terms you yourself are using.

I agree with you that people shouldn't discriminate against black people, and that it's a terrible thing.

But to imagine that specifically blacks are a special case amongst all other groups of downtrodden people on this earth and beyond comparison to any other is patently false and serves no purpose at all except, perhaps, to ensure some other group's suffering gets ignored.






Correct, but where did I say or even attempt to imply that? Surely you're capable of extending empathy and understanding for different and multiple forms of overlapping discrimination, not just one kind?

A short, fat, disabled, black, gay, female transgendered person from a poor country, for example, might be at the very bottom of any heap. But must we only consider one form of discrimination as 'valid' and ignore all the others in your world view?

No. It just goes back to my main point that gay discrimination is NOT the same as racial discrimination, period.

What I was talking about in the first place is how in America, gay discrimination is compared to the same as what black people went through during civil rights movement. It is not the same. I'm in America so that's what I'm speaking of.

With that said, it's also a shame that they are not accepted even within gay communities. I really don't understand how gay people would have the nerve to discriminate against certain people anyway. They know what it's like to feel ostracized. It's just sad.

 

[zephyr]

really don't understand how gay people would have the nerve to discriminate against certain people anyway. They know what it's like to feel ostracized. It's just sad.

I'm pretty sure gay people can be just as discriminatory as anybody else about whatever the thing is they are being bigot about.


I'm pretty sure that there is clearly a difference in racial hatred and sexual identity hatred.

What has this got to do with specified and the option to get head from a guy as women have not sucked well enough?


I dont think going to a female to fo me would work at all as I'm particular about that sort of thing and also dont want a woman.

If specified wants to try a bloke just for hell of it, yes it's a homosexual act.

Doing said a t doesnt change his sexuality , it is what it is.

Sexuality is weird, it's no ones buisness and I doubt anyone would really give a shit and if they do then maybe offer that they suck your dick, specified.


Being picked on sucks but it happens, its society. Just pay it forward in a way and punch them in the face.

 

[zephyr]

Thsts a tough one, matter of opinion really, what do you think?


Because if you are looking for a good blow job and thi king about males being better, would a transexual then be Male therefore good at blowjob?


What if women are better but the ones you ha e been with are just shit or you didnt guide them?

Cant read your mind you know.


Actually why dont you get a toothless escort ?




Why dont you just try some different people?


Maybe oral sex is over rated.


Mate you ask simple questions but it's not like a straight answer will happen.

Get a ficking blow job now!!!

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

^ Haha I heard about a guy who got a great BJ from an old woman with no teeth. A gum job.

It's sad that OP can't find a woman who can do the job right. Jeez...

I can, but I'm put off men for quite a while. Celibacy is all I want.

 

[atara]

Actually why dont you get a toothless escort ?

^wins the thread

What if tranny will be gay?

i'm sticking to my previous answer:

what about a post op tranny to suck me off with tits and everything she has no penis so technically shes female would it make me gay if a tranny gave me a blowie?

if you're not doing it because she used to be a man: no
if you are: yes

 

[neurogal]

If you're worried about the judgement of others either hide it or seek a group of friends that don't treat gay people with disrespect.

 

[neurogal]

It's all about perspective. While it's true gays can stay 'in the closet' to some extent (at the price of having a life of any meaning or meaningful relationships), homophobia knows no race. Gays have been hated/killed/prejudiced against everywhere amongst all peoples and races, and may never feel at peace or safe because they are never in the majority and always the easily targeted minority. The same is not true for blacks.

Thanks for saying this CFC. It needed to be said.

 

[Nicholai]

This entire thread is a mess, aside from a few intelligent comments.

OP, if you're not actually trolling, which I believe you are, you may want to consider that you simply don't enjoy blowjobs. A lot of guys do not. I'm gay and I can tell you, speaking from a point of wide and varied experience, that getting a good blowjob from guys is few and far between. I don't think you're going to have any better luck with guys than you are having with girls, unless you're gay and refuse to accept it due to internalized homophobia.

 

[zephyr]

Men technically should be better as they have penises, if the escort was a feminine transexual so appealed to a straight guy yet born with a penis would they be the best at it since they have the same gonads?

 

[CFC]

No. It just goes back to my main point that gay discrimination is NOT the same as racial discrimination, period.

You actually said this:

I cannot stand when people try to make gay discrimination sound just as bad as what black people have gone through and fought for.

To say this implies you know little about what gay people still go through or have gone through or fought for, or simply don't care. And your belief that gays are relatively advantaged because they can just hide away in a closet for their entire life is - aside from being both false and absurd - indicative of a yawning lack of understanding. Either way, if you start to inform yourself better, I think you may begin to understand what others have been getting at.

With that said, it's also a shame that they are not accepted even within gay communities. I really don't understand how gay people would have the nerve to discriminate against certain people anyway. They know what it's like to feel ostracized. It's just sad.

It is sad, I agree. It's even more extraordinary when you think of the level of homophobia among many black communities in both the US and, obviously, the horrific genocidal kind of homophobia in parts of Africa. You think to yourself: "how do they have the nerve to discriminate against gays, given what they claim themselves to be going through." But the reason is because it's human nature to have less empathy for, and pick on, smaller minorities. And since gays are a more vulnerable and marginal minority than blacks, they likely perceive them to be fair game, just like some whites do blacks.

 

[pofacedhoe]

wow

how long before the age old adversaries of race and sexuality were pitted against each other.

a troll move might i add.........

 

[CoastTwoCoast]

I still stand by every single thing I said and if people disagree, too bad.

I am very accepting of gay people and always have been a big supporter of them, it's just not comparable to what black people have been through during the civil rights movement. That is the current comparison in America.

Next...

So is OP going to get a gum job or what?

 

[zephyr]

wow

how long before the age old adversaries of race and sexuality were pitted against each other.

a troll move might i add.........

Nah this bloke is a lovely.


Not everyone is the same around here thank God.

Specified needs to report back post blow job.

 

[pofacedhoe]

maybe next time a thread about circumcision?

honestly that was treasure trove of troll too

 

[zephyr]

That is an epic thread.


Meh, just as long as theres contributive interest in a subject and ideas, exchanges happen, pretty much all good innit.


This place, not just an anon sex helpline , kinda fun and mingly.

 

[atara]

how long before the age old adversaries of race and sexuality were pitted against each other.

a troll move might i add.........

I'm really sorry to have started us off on this trajectory. I suppose I was trying to avoid telling him that "people who judge you are bad" because, let's be honest, it's hard to just suddenly decide that your own parents are bad people and you shouldn't listen to them. So I tried to play the old "lots of people have been through this" card which worked kinda sorta not really.

Men technically should be better as they have penises, if the escort was a feminine transexual so appealed to a straight guy yet born with a penis would they be the best at it since they have the same gonads?

I'm not convinced there's anything I know as a result of being a man that can't be explained in a few short sentences. Like the bottom of the penis is more sensitive than the top and you usually need steady rhythmic stimulation prior to orgasm.
You have to deal with the individual's psychology in order to make them enjoy the gestalt, though. That's important for any good sex act.