Exactly, seems like a good description of objective morality.Agreed. I think morality is subjective, there does exist an independent, external truth of it. It depends on the species, and the society, and the individual. I think as humans we can generally agree on what is and is not moral with the big things... like, don't murder people, or to take it further, treat others as you would like to be treated.
They could be considered immoral?It just makes sense. But some humans don't believe that or follow it.
That's different though and definitely seems more subjective. You're only potentially harming yourselfWhen you get to more complex issues, like drug use/intoxication, it's even more subjective. For some people, intoxication is absolutely immoral, but for many others, probably almost everyone on Bluelight, we see it as not being a moral action one way or the other.
Evil is just a label based on our human understanding of harm. But since most animals are not aware about the harm they cause they treat it as a life's necessity, so they are not evil and just following their nature.^^ What about something like a moose, which is the most dangerous animal in North America. They're not even meat eaters but they'll trample you for the hell of it, especially in mating season. What about cats, which like to torture mice to death, let them escape repeatedly, hurt them more each time, play with them while the mouse suffers in panic and pain. Are they evil? Or are they just following their nature?
Without duality there is only one morality.
Same as when mind is quieted and inner peace is experienced.
Modern philosophy believes morality is generated from the faculty of rationality/mind but it overlooks that morality can blossom from states of consciousness. The supreme, objective morality that most humans can agree upon has been handed to us by people in those states. The states are not "enlightened", rather they are states where the activities of mind are quieted and the natural, true nature of inner peace and contentment is able to be experienced by all humans.
It's this true state of ours that contains the conscious capacity for objective morality. If you live in a state of inner peace, compassion naturally arises for suffering, there is an aversion to abrasiveness and harshness, there is an empathy and respect for life, etc. Because most modern people have never quieted their minds nor even realized that their mind is a thing that can be quieted, they are not directly experiencing their own true nature of the heart. Most people believe everything their mind tells them. They believe that mind is them, and this is reinforced by society's higher placement of value on rational faculties.
Because we are a spiritually degenerate society at this time, we use the faculty of mind as the intervention for discussing the values and merits of morals. Of course this will be subjective. Mind itself is subjective. The mind is never the same one moment to the next so how can it be relied on as a conscious faculty to anchor anything? It's by quieting the mind rather than engaging with it that we see the true moral landscape of our human reality.
I like this answer a lot Foreigner.
An interesting question to explore is whether through careful observations and consideration of moral values ? looking carefully at what works and what doesn't ? whether a set of optimal guidelines can be developed that will take a person right up to the edge of what objective morality is so that an experience of objective can arise that 'bridges the gap.'
I too take the view that objective morality can only be understood experientially through states of consciousness and cannot conveyed in its entirety as a set of rules and guidelines. That said, I don't think examining questions of morality is a futile endeavor just because the precise definition of objective morality is beyond what can be adequately communicated with words. I believe such a process will reveal higher truths and bring us closer to experiencing these higher truths. I'd be weary though of anyone who claims to have found the truth above all others when it comes to morality.
1. You shall love God with all your heart, all your mind all your soul. And there shall be no other God set before Me. No longer will you worship human love, or success, money, or power, nor any symbol thereof. You will set aside these things as a child sets aside toys. Not because they are unworthy, but because you have outgrown them.
And, you shall know you have taken the path to God.
2. You shall not use the name God in vain. Nor will you call upon Me for frivolous things. You will understand the power of words, and of thoughts, and you would not think of invoking the name of God in an unGodly manner. You shall not use my name in vain because because you cannot. For My name-the Great ?I Am? ? is never used in vain (that is, without result), nor can it ever be. And when you have found God, you shall know this.
And, I shall give you these other signs as well;
3. You shall remember to keep a day for me, and you shall call it holy. This, so that you do not long stay in your illusion, but cause yourself to remember who and what you are. And then shall you call every day the sabbath, and every moment holy.
4. You shall honor your mother and your father ? and you will know you are the Son of God when you honor Father/Mother/God in all that you say or do or think. And even as you so honor the Mother/Father/God, and your father and mother on Earth (for they have given you life), so, too, will you honor everyone.
5. You know you have found God when you observe that you will not murder (that is, willfully kill, without cause). For while you will understand that you cannot end another?s life in any event (all life is eternal), you will not choose to terminate any particular incarnation, nor will not change any life energy from one form to another, without the most sacred justification. Your new reverence for life will cause you to honor all life forms ? including plants, trees and animals ? and to impact them only when it is for the highest good.
And these other signs will I send you also, that you may know you are on the path.
6. You will not defile the purity of love with dishonesty or deceit, for this is adulterous. I promise you, when you have found God, you shall not commit this adultery.
7. You shall not take a thing that is not your own, nor cheat, nor connive, nor harm another to have anything, for this would be to steal. I promise you, when you have found God, you shall not steal.
Nor shall you?
8.Say a thing that is not true, and thus bear false witness.
Nor shall you?
9. Covet your neighbor?s spouse, for why would you want your neighbor?s spouse when you know all others are your spouse?
10. Covet your neighbor?s goods, for why would you want your neighbor?s goods when you know that all goods can be yours, and all your goods belong to the world?
I'd be weary though of anyone who claims to have found the truth above all others when it comes to morality.
do what thou wilt, (as long as you're not hurting anyone) .... just do what feels ok to you, and try to treat others well.... don't get all tripped out on hell or guilt . . ."
1. You shall love God with all your heart, all your mind all your soul. And there shall be no other God set before Me. No longer will you worship human love, or success, money, or power, nor any symbol thereof. You will set aside these things as a child sets aside toys. Not because they are unworthy, but because you have outgrown them.