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If God knows everything, how can there be free will?

The "Master Plan" could be as easy as an operating system running on 0's and 1's. Freedom of choice boils down to 'will I' or 'won't I'. You can sanction the question; but not any action -- that would be a variable.
 
I've never understood how Christians can say God loves everyone regardless. How can this loving being condemn any of his children to eternity in hell? Even the parents of murderers try to protect thier children, so why should this all knowing compassionate being be different.
 
I think that's exactly the point. It isn't that difficult to enter a deep meditation and find a unending sense of love. It is very non condemning. Despite this we are told God is all about the judgement.

Like everything in life don't believe what you hear despite how cute the source is. Go and look for yourself. Meditation and intention would be enough to start. Seeking answers to questions about God has left me very Gnostic. After a short time I dropped all religious belief but honestly feel I have found what I was seeking. It seems to me that the people in the religions have little to no idea why they have the beliefs they do. Often their practices are very confused and steeped in fear despite their scripture saying perfect loves removes all fear.

I'm not about screaming at religions or religious people though, the majority have honestly good intentions, including at lot of confused clergy.

I feel the part that was missed or not emphasized correctly by religions is that life is about living and experiencing, it is designed for enjoyment, when the rules you make up steal the joy from life give your head a shake. Rules that oppress the people they are intended to benefit are insane. Any rule that oppressed, religious or otherwise.
 
I?ve always noticed godless people are the most unhappy tho. And tend to be statist liberal worshiping the gov as their god almost.

Maybe because of free will there exists an evil entity that is pure hatred if there is a being of true love.

You don?t get condemned to hell you put urself there. I?m not saying the logic is perfect but it can easily be understood to the objective mind
 
What if every time u make a decision u create a paradox and a universe. And in infinite choices we make even throughout the day there are infinite universes by made those choices in one day. So OP is not wrong but saying free will probably doesn?t exist. But it?s in the universes you choose throughout the day that everything after that could be predetermined
 
Oh i believe there's a higher power, I just believe that whatever it is, it's a sick sadistic fuck
 
One thing I don't get, is how god allegedly created humans with free will, to act as they so please, regardless of consequences they make as a result of their acts, either positive or negative, and in the bible it is clearly stated that the covenant, and the promises of god to man are inviolable, absolute and unswerving from the moment we crawled out of the primordial ooze and carved the first pointy mammoth-poking stick to the picosecond the human race has its last member draw it's last breath.

And in the very same bible, and same testament, it also establishes that god himself 'hardened the heart of pharaoh' so that pharaoh would refuse to repent of keeping the jews in bondage until the multiple punishments ordained for the period of his refusal in an incremental delivery manner, had multiple iterations come to pass. This, is direct and absolute unambiguous statement from the same god as claims to give free will, and to never break a promise or covenant, that he himself personally forced him not to release the jews from egypt until several of the calamities came to pass, in order to hammer home that THIS god, the one of the israelites was supreme dogs bollock and is out to skull-fuck any other deity of the area or anywhere else and seize all power and worship to be assigned to him alone, the 'jealous god' of the bible, (same as the loving one? or the one that comissions heaven's spook to come down in the dead of night and butcher the firstborn of egypt, yes, mass murder, genocide of children to make a point. Yeah, right, real loving tender guy. If a human father did that then its a pretty good bet that they'd be banged up for life or face the death penalty, country dependent), to make a point to the leader of egypt that HE and HE ALONE is the god with the mostest, that the egyptian pantheon could go fuck themselves in the ass etc. and rub his power in Pharaoh's face, to slow his release of the jews, directly tampering with his ability to exercise choice and freedom of will, until those punishments had been meted out, and Pharaoh came crawling to beg at god's feet and shout out how great this deity is and how superior to the gods of the egyptians, who are no gods, just trash.

Free will+hardening the heart of an individual to control their actions, the two statements are incompatible and are mutually exclusive. If both are stated to be the case then the same individual cannot be the supreme arbiter and source of all truth.

One and one, thirty eight don't make, no matter how many times you say they add up to it, and no matter how vociferous one proclaims, sandwiches aren't made of gold bars and weasels, and shit stinks no matter what you say it smells like. It still smells like shit when one's nose is hovering above a heap of festering dog muck. Still draws flies, no matter who says it smells of roses and that you'll live forever if you make it into a dog crap milkshake with a bit of piss to thin it out, say it all you want, by whoever may do so, but it doesn't mean I'm going to be breakfasting for the next 80 or so years on dogshit-shakes as part of a healthy balanced diet before my fitness dance routine in the local zoo's tank full of taipans. Sure, I'll remain nice and healthy and well nourished.

And my breath will be minty fresh too. Make me nice and popular and sought as a lover by all the hottest Kanner's/Rett's/aspie girls, who'll smell that fresh breath and come flocking begging to be cervix-fucked every morning, noon, evening and night one after the other, lining up stimming like crazy to make themselves look the hottest in said line.

And BTW, I've a big fortune in nigerian bank, me just need ten thousand pound in fees of clearance by western union and me send you money in halfing of all plus give interest you that me earned when inside escrow.

Any takers? just send that 10k and you rich man make I of you ook ook oo-wa oowa see how much cost I special spear?
 
Nice post. One thing I like about this forum over the one at the Shroomery is somehow you all have managed to dissuade the multitudes of born again true believers from trolling every thread with their religious nonsense that they will never debate in good faith. Kudos to all who made that happen.
 
@admin

So this guy can condescend to me by some Nigerian money scam for my faith in a higher being but if I bring up jewish control of banks and media I?m gonna get the infraction? Nice job great website ur running.

@Limpet Chicken

Obviously there is logic that neither you and I can understand but look up any definition of a godless society and see how absouletely descimated it is.

Ur free to believe as you want but dont u dare belittle me because I might be held accountable for my actions one day by some kind of entity greater than me. Especially beyond my time that?s crap.
 
To be fair, it is not racism to state that nigerians frequently run scams of that kind. Its an absolutely notorious fact that this country does indeed hold responsibility for a fuck-ton of scamming shitbags. It is not racism to state an absolute, well known and unambiguously true fact about a given group. If I say 'black people have dark skin', is that racist? no. Its a given group that racist things could be said of by people. But that black people have dark skin, reductio ad absurdam, is a fact which cannot be disputed. Their epidermis is highly melanized. Fact. And that nigerians are notorious for running scams, again, is a known truth.

If a truth is unpalatable, that doesn't change the fact that it is true. One cannot slander with a statement of fact.

And belittle? lol, no. I just recognize that the bible in many places says one thing where in another the polar opposite is stated.
And passages such as that of the tale where the angel of death is sent by this 'infinitely loving' judaeo-xtian thuggish deity to slaughter infants on a nationwide racial wide scale. That is genocide of infants.

And secular societies decimated? lol. Not claiming any of them are perfect, but look at ultrareligiomaniacal nations such as saudi arabia, and look at the way women are treated, look at the criminal 'justice' system. Muslim countries tend to be barbarous and toxic to the entire world. Hell they can't even stand letting other islamites live and go round whacking each other.

Look at old england, spain, europe. Spain sent the conquistadors to invade and wipe out entire cultures in south america on grounds of religious superiority, europe and england had their witch-burnings, their inquisitions, the torturers, the killers murdering innocent women by burning alive just for being say, a midwife. 'tests' for witchcraft like shoving women into a pond, and if they float, they are guilty, if they stay down there and drown then they are innocent. Dead if you do, dead if you don't.

Thats what highly religious societies end up as. And in south america, theres the likes of human sacrifice, in the middle east, the likes of feeding children to a statue of Moloch, burning them alive. Religion sucks ass, we would be better off without it. We don't need to be TOLD 'rape, murder, theft, child-fucking and genocide are bad, don't do it' because of the threat of divine wrath and Zeus's thunderbolt being held ready for retribution. We don't need hell, hades, hel (norse sense, one 'l'), gehenna, tartarus etc. etc. to behave like decent people towards one another. I don't need to believe in a deity not to go out and smash somebody's skull in with a hammer in order to relieve them of their wallet, watch and other property. I don't do it because I know it isn't deserved by such random people going about their daily business.
 
I can agree that Christianity especially Catholicism is corrupted no doubt.

Islam is cancer. I?m not denying this.

But godless communism/socialism literally killed over 200 million ppl tho. Godless society becomes worship of the state and the state without a doubt is cancer

Humans themselves are corrupted by the powers of money and the devil. Freemason influence as the Catholic Church grew became undeniable at some point and took over at some point in 1000s era.

It is not the Bible that makes me have faith to be honest. In all honesty the book doesn?t make sense I?m trying to comprehend the logic of an infinite knowledge deity.

It is the blatant satanism all around us that makes believe. The symbolism, the occult, the now very in ur face gender movement, It?s the Hollywood pedophile rings, it?s the Freemason lodges that I personally joined and realized just the sheer evil that is in those lodges. It?s the pagan rituals being played at half time on super bowl days, it?s the total unhappiness of atheists that makes me believe, it?s the complete silencing of the Christian faith, its the fake news about Jesus, it?s creepy Joe Biden, its celebrities that talk about blood contractsit?s the survivors of SRA, it?s darkness that so blantantly around us that?s no EVER wants to talk about,

The world is so evil, satanic, dark. It?s without that with all this evil in my face that existence of a god that is good.

You?re well versed in the Bible for a non believer but there is a passage that states ?the Devil is the god of this world?

And my final point is humans are so so so f*cking stupid it?s not even funny and we destroy everything we touch. Like society actively tries to dumb ppl down, but think of the average human intelligence and then realize half of them are dumber. Don?t let ppl take away faith in the one true god that in societies darkest underground blood orgies that they fear the name of Jesus.
 
Well versed? I don't know about that but I have read the bible. I'm a polymath. Autie who can't get his fill of information ever sated.

And as for turning to communism and or the state? the state as they all are, they are just as much a filthy, putrescent, pus-slobbering scrotal cancer as islam is. And I NEVER, not once, claimed that worship of the state brings good. I DESPISE them as they currently are. You got no idea how virulently I loathe the fuckers because I can't even render that in either the spoken word, signed word or both.

Communism doesn't work. Well known fact. Perhaps it could do so if humans were all perfect, but in actual hard reality, it just means the wolves will get to the top and stomp upon the sheeple, devouring any who get in the way, so they have a guaranteed daily supply of lamb chops to sate all appetite.

I don't see the capitalist societies as all that much better as they currently are. Govts. are too big, too poisonous and too powerful for the good of the people. A government needs to exist to serve the people, by the people, not to be served by the people and of them.

Satanic? lol. Satanists aren't as bad as you make them out to be. I used to be one until I found I disagreed with many of LaVey's tenets and his personality, as well as his bastardization of ancient alphabets IMO to make his alphabet for the enochian keys.

A satanist believes they themselves are the higher power they look to. If they are not, then they must make themselves that power sufficient to elevate them from the dirt and the suffering. They believe essentially in Crowley's 'do as thou shalt', with the addition of the wiccan tenet 'an it harm none'. Exercise power to get what you want but do not use it to make others suffer.

And the likes of paedophilia would be repugnant to a true satanist. Also, we don't believe in a literal, physical, living being named 'Satan' or 'Lucifer', but rather, it is a metaphor. The idea of taking from a child, of their innocence, that deprives them of their own innate power for self direction, that takes away from them in a massive and sickening way. Its the kind of thing that would earn a nonce a Satanist's ceremonial dagger in the stomach, wrenched around and twisted before being ripped out. Exploitation like that is an abomination.

Also, age, it doesn't matter within reason. I've been engaged to a girl, the love of my life, that I'd do jail time if I'd been seen kissing her. But she, herself, first took me as her own. Forcefully. She slammed me into a tree and rammed her tongue down my throat. No introduction (until later after I'd recovered full consciousness) then pretty much grabbed me and dragged me off, sort of reverse cave-man stereotype. Told me her name a bit after. But had made damn sure she had set herself on taking me as her possession. So, even despite her age, I went along with it, proposed within weeks, because I loved her as dearly as I love life itself. More so in fact, because even now, I would die for her if I had to. Say she needed a double lung and heart transplant and a couple of kidneys. If I was a match, I'd hold a surgeon at gunpoint and go through it with only opioids and a local anaesthetic if I had to. 14yo. But, she was mature enough to wield her inner force as she chose. She chose me, in a way that left absolutely no room for doubt she wanted me down to the last scrap of soul.

Illegal? absolutely at the age I was at the time. Her mother looked pretty shocked when she came to her home with me hung on her arm, whilst I was dressed in huge stomping newrock leather boots, combat pants torn at the knees into strips, leather trench, spiked leather gloves and collar and introduced me to her mom as her fiancee. Damn...that must have come as a big shock. But, she accepted me, at least she never was in any way hostile or uncivil, and I made sure she could tell that whilst the relationship might be illegal in the lex legis, that I did indeed belong to the young (and classically autistic too, the kind of autie that most people think about when the word 'autism' is spoken, if they aren't familiar with our kind) girl, and that not only was I not seeking to exploit her (not to say we didn't get up to...things...), but any such things would either be bilaterally both consented and the two of us desperate to partake of such, and that were she ever to be put in danger, she had a near 20yo attack dog that she could let slip the leash at any moment, and any seeking to do her mom's darling sweet little special needs girl harm, would find themselves facing the unleashed raw force of a lightening bolt, to the extent that if she spoke the word 'kill' then they would have been executed for their violation of her sanctity.


The world doesn't need a god to be good. The world needs people not to be bastards. That is the choice of the people, and enforced in certain types of instance by both people and the filth as well.

Half of human intelligence? I have to say I agree, too many sheeple in the world. But the only thing to be done is to educate them, until they themselves cast off the woolen garments worn and take up the mantle of a wolf, strong in action and strong in will.

Underground blood orgies? lol. If that was to happen in satanist ritual, theater to set a psyche, then the blood would be from a butcher's shop, it would not be human, bar perhaps voluntary pricking of fingers to include a drop of blood, if someone was doing some symbolic ritual. I can't say as the ritual stuff suited me, but some, not all, of LaVey's philosophies speak to me.

And the god of the bible, the OT particularly, is a violent, jealous ('self' stated to be so, whilst demanding us in the ten commandments thou shalt not covet). hypocrite. A genocidal butcher who ordered the genocide of entire tribes, self-commanded one of his own angels, supposedly beings of love and good, to murder egyptian CHILDREN.

This deity is a child killer, a bloodthirsty butcher, who claims to be absolute mercy and love. Where was the mercy shown to the egyptian firstborn children struck down by god's own angelic assassin? for can a baby sin, a being who as yet has little concept if any even of 'self vs non self' and who cannot covet, even when they take the toys of another young baby, not knowing the concept of right to possess? can such a one have the mens rea to commit evil? IMO absolutely not. One cannot plot evil against another, when one cannot know the difference between 'me' and 'another being', that makes it logically impossible to target an evil act or have malice. To be malicious, one must know that one has a specific recipient of that malice intended.

A fucking psycho, who just because his angels took of them women and had children (the nephilim), half breeds, between angel and mankind, wiped the entire WORLD, brought out his godly nuclear football, and pressed the button to obliterate the life of an entire planet down to animal and plant life, with his flood. Noah alone, and wife, being chosen to repopulate the earth.

Can the likes of a trilobite, a Wiwaxia, ancient sponges, and all those weird precambrian life-forms sin? did they deserve to die for the actions of a species, mankind, which had not even knowledge of their existence due to their habitats?

'Love eternally, for all, now worship the fuck out of me or burn in hell and be boiled in lava and disemboweled by devils for the next fuck knows how many millenia until judgement day?' that to me, does not speak of the actions of a father who loves his children. What father is willing to burn his children and torture them for eternity, and yet remain a virtuous good father?
 
Me edit mine?

Or did you mean someone else?
Why should I edit what I have to say? just 'you have to edit your comment' means fuck all, other than to hint you don't like what you hear. And if that, is the reason for you to tell me I apparently need to edit what I had to say, then that doesn't carry any weight with me.

And I don't follow you everywhere. Thats bollocks of the highest order, if you meant me. Because I replied several times in this thread. I don't even generally post in this subforum. So that accusation, if applied to me, is null and void. Sorry, but, if applied to me, then my reply is 'sorry, I do not alter myself or what I say or how I say it just to please special snowflakes. They can like it or lump it.
 
No that comment was at @cosmic trigger

You I was just gonna say I wouldn?t admit to what u have but different folks different pokes.

And I dabbled LeVay before a lot of his idealogies make sense I misquoted on satanism when it?s more like Luciferianism shits evil as fuck.

And finally it?s an all powerful deity seeing infinite timelines and universes and shit. There might be reason behind it Ur not supposed to understand
 
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