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EADD Heroin thread v.XXIV -- welcome back, PinkPapaver!

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Cotton fever sucks, I've never had it myself but I have seen what it cane do to people several times.

Still clean (well saying that I've had a bag or two since my last post but I'm taking breaks between each one of several days)
Apart from when I got into the PV this is the biggest break I have had off b in 17 years.

Hope your well FUBAR & Blondin
 
...this is the biggest break I have had off b in 17 years...

Hope your well FUBAR & Blondin

Good to hear, and potentially interesting that (as far as I can see from your posts) it has happened organically, a result I would assume of you simply growing out of the lifestyle and getting so sick of the pissing around involved as opposed to the admirable, but sometimes flawed approach at an all or nothing detox which often sees users losing interest in active behaviour change due to initial failures, which despite being disheartening, are of course more common than first time success stories.

A statistic that used to be thrown around a lot in smoking cessation was the notion that it takes most committed quitters an average of 3 attempts to finally stop permanently, something that I believe has some truth to it based on the successful ex smokers I have encountered. While the 'if at first you don't succeed' notion is certainly transferable to initial attempts at heroin or other drug and alcohol detoxes, I think that the fundamental difference lies in the power of intoxicants to suck you back time and time again.

Most folks I know who managed to give up smoking only relapsed once or twice during typical moments of weakness (socialising + alcohol) and were so angry at themselves for undoing a lot of hard work for something they had begun to learn they didn't miss at all, rarely made the mistake again as despite nicotines genuine addictive properties the drug is (IMO) mainly used through force of habit. However, with genuine intoxicants there is always a strong reason, albeit a stupid and illogical one, to use again as that first bag / drink is so heavenly that it is more difficult to avoid a full and prolonged relapse, as even the most jaded addict still has those moments of bliss where they think that they can justify all the accompanying misery and general disappointment based on that occasional good sesh.

Seeing as I am on a good rant here, ill finish off with cotton fever. Before I was prescribed methadone, I rarely injected due to how effective the drug was when smoked compared to the high, unnecessary risk with regards to IV. But half way through my addiction history, due my desperation to break through the methadone tolerance coupled with the half strength gear that unfortunately became so prevalent in the first half of this decade following the drought, I started to inject regularly and while I still smoke most of my gear (I only usually shoot the first bag after which I top up to nod levels by tooting the rest) it did not change the fact that I was now an IV user by definition as opposed to exception. My naivety with the practise (as I have never socialised with other users with the exception of 2 close friends) meant that I discovered the ultra skanky but unfortunately effective practise of leftover cotton shots via a documentary and it only took a couple of these ill advised instances before I got my first dose of cotton fever.

Somehow, despite some initial fear and the extreme discomfort, I soon realised what was happening to me and why, despite being unfamiliar with the term and following the rapid recovery (one minute your feeling maximum sick, yet only an hour later I felt 80% better) I became instantly blas? with how potentially serious it can be, experiencing it twice again from what I can only assume was some randomly transferred sepsis during administration, as my initial experience was at least enough to deter me from doing cotton shots ever again. Again, as uncomfortable as it was, it dissipated after 4 - 6 hours as on the first occasion, although the last episode left me in pain for days after due to how badly my muscles were aching from all the dithering, shivering and convulsing my body had gone through.

While most people get through it as I did with little to no permanent damage, I believe I am not the only person to treat what could always develop into serious blood poisoning as little more than an occupational hazard and if one is injecting unsterilised street drugs they are always open to catching a dose, as only my first incident could be directly blamed on the contamination of the cotton filter.
 
Thanks Stee, yeah I slipped back into "bad ways" you could say over some time but you hit the nail right upon the head as I got so sick of the usual shit you have to deal with that it became too much of a hassle to go about my day ducking the cops & getting cash then going to buy gear that is hit & miss. I had a birthday a few months ago & I am getting old now & I had to think to myself do I want this to carry on & I looked around me at some of the older lot still on gear & they are fucked.

The last few months I have started to drink on a night (not every day but around 3/4 times a week) & also I got a decent weed score now (I had some weed a few weeks ago I think I posted about called "star-dog & it made me see fucking stars I know that much) & I am quite happy to have a spliff or three with some cans of K cider.

I'm not going to lie & say I haven't had a single bag as I LOVE smack (sorry folks but I do & I make NO secret of it) but the cost, the people I have to deal with in terms of dealers, the other people out trying to score or "on the raise" & the hit & miss quality just put me off. I'd never turn around & talk badly about my time on the gear, I learned a lot of important lessons on life & the way people are in their nature from it & I also learned what Gabapentin are which I swear is a wonder drug.
 
Hey ZB - good luck with your reduction in partaking, it's bloody hard and chipping is really a one way route back to full time using so look out -
 
Thanks blondin, tbh I've been caught up in that chipping trap before, it sneaks upon you slowly till the point where you think "fuck it, I may as well go back"
I've ben there too many times, the gear I had on Saturday was horrific tbh & I'm in no rush to go waste any cash again on that rubbish, it ran clean & had that "fish" / "dirt" taste to it which was a welcome change from the "red dread" I had last score but it really didn't do much to me sadly.

I'm doing well with my abuse of Zopi too, kinda OT so I hope this isn't removed but I got to the point where I was hitting up the doctor with even more bizarre reasons to get a script & could snort 22.5mg in a night & cider on the top, I began to loose the feeling in my thumb again (which I learned is the sign of a zopiclone overdose) so I had to stop. Take my word for it coming off those things isn't nice kids.
Snorting those damn things comes on ssssooo rapid, it hits in 5 mins & you get this weird rush in your head, sometimes even visual effects like a low 4-HO-MET trip I kid you not. 22.5mg up the nose is a damn stupid for H.R. reasons, I am NOT saying for people to do it or making out is it a safe ROA may I add.
 
Anyone that is suffering with PAWS & feeling like putting a gun to their head or toss yourself into the canal with a pocket full of rocks worry not, I swear to God the best cure is to get stoned to the point of being "Chinese eyed" & read the BL forum section called "Sex, Love and Relationships" & all your worries will go away.

I'm not joking here PAWS has kicked my ass so many times but for several weeks I worked my way through that section of BL & I have never laughed so much, your issues & problems soon vanish when you read some of the stuff on there.
 
Hi, apologies if this is not the right place to post this, just looking for a bit of advice and after reading previous posts on here I'm hoping I can get a few answers, been smoking gear for over 15 years and with my lungs now in bad shape I started iv route for the first time, had thought about it many times in the past but thanks to my partner (also a smoker) I never actually picked up a needle until now, I know stupid thing to do after being satisfied using foil for so long but it's done.

Anyway, I've been enjoying it and all has gone as I would have expected, started with literally half a bag and have been shooting a bag every morning before work and feeling good, I guess a bag (of the current gear im getting) is just right to set me up for the day without flooring me (which I have yet to experience if trainspotting is true to form?), now to the point..I took everything I needed to treat myself to a shot at work, same amount etc, felt the same nice feeling and taste at the back of the throat but it went downhill from there.

..until now every time I've banged up my heart rate has increased shortly after (is that normal or just my adreneline..or both?) but then fairly soon has subsided leaving me just feeling good, this time (first time out of the comfort of home) my heart rate just continued to be rapid, it felt like a panic attack but with added symptoms, my eyes were squinting and sensitive to light, my mouth n lips were totally dry and I was really feeling very dodgy, restless, had to leave work as I couldn't face anyone, my torso felt aching, things slowly got better but It took a good 5-6 hrs before I felt totally back to normal...What went wrong??, same gear, same amount, did I do something wrong? (can you inject the shot whilst still too hot?, probably a stupid question), or was it just all in my head, am prone to panic attacks and was out of the comfort of home and in the toilet at work, but this went on for much longer and I felt really unwell, any thoughts would be much appreciated, cheers

Have you considered intranasal use? I use 24/7 (well, except when I'm asleep for 6-9hrs) for severe chronic pain, been using between .5-1g daily for 9.5yrs. Always nasally minus 2x IV & 1x IM. Bc I try to use only as much as I need for pain & no more, intranasal is the best way to use it efficiently. My veins are small, I have low blood pressure & even drs often can't hit me so regular IVing isn't possible - I don't have enough decent veins to rotate between - though I've been considering just IVing in the am as my pain is nearly always terrible upon waking & it takes 2-4hrs to feel decent with my nasal solution.

Anyway...consider trying a nasal solution, I use an eyedropper bottle as sprays get clogged too fast even though I gravity & micron filter my solution. Just make sure not to add more acid than needed to dissolve the h in solution or it eill burn your nose badly, & only make 1-3days worth of solution at a time as it converts to morphine in solution over time. Use as little water as possible too as this slows the conversion to morphine. Otherwise you make the solution just like for IV: heat, water & acid. It doesn't seem to give a rush but I try to avoid any strong effects as I don't enjoy opiates recreationally. I don't smoke bc I dislike smoking generally & suck at it; I've smoked a gram while in full on withdrawal & felt absolutely nothing. But I can smoke stims fine...I can't get effects from smoked weed unkess it's from a bong , either.
 
Have you considered intranasal use? I use 24/7 (well, except when I'm asleep for 6-9hrs) for severe chronic pain, been using between .5-1g daily for 9.5yrs. Always nasally minus 2x IV & 1x IM. Bc I try to use only as much as I need for pain & no more, intranasal is the best way to use it efficiently. My veins are small, I have low blood pressure & even drs often can't hit me so regular IVing isn't possible - I don't have enough decent veins to rotate between - though I've been considering just IVing in the am as my pain is nearly always terrible upon waking & it takes 2-4hrs to feel decent with my nasal solution.

Anyway...consider trying a nasal solution, I use an eyedropper bottle as sprays get clogged too fast even though I gravity & micron filter my solution. Just make sure not to add more acid than needed to dissolve the h in solution or it eill burn your nose badly, & only make 1-3days worth of solution at a time as it converts to morphine in solution over time. Use as little water as possible too as this slows the conversion to morphine. Otherwise you make the solution just like for IV: heat, water & acid. It doesn't seem to give a rush but I try to avoid any strong effects as I don't enjoy opiates recreationally. I don't smoke bc I dislike smoking generally & suck at it; I've smoked a gram while in full on withdrawal & felt absolutely nothing. But I can smoke stims fine...I can't get effects from smoked weed unkess it's from a bong , either.

Do you feel that cooking up a solution, as if for IV use and squirting it up your honker, is better than just chopping out a line and hoovering it up? It seems like a lot of bother, unless the BA is better with your method than just snorting a line of H.
 
Do you feel that cooking up a solution, as if for IV use and squirting it up your honker, is better than just chopping out a line and hoovering it up? It seems like a lot of bother, unless the BA is better with your method than just snorting a line of H.

Oh absolutely. As it is with my 'filtered' solution, I'm constantly having to de-gunk my nose, & you don't even want to know how I do that. I should really do it in between each dose but often go 3-4 before I do & then it just drips down my throat & turns to morphine, which makes me sleepy & increases my pain. I have snorted powder but it stops me up so much more & is massively more wasteful. I do also have a tiny nose so that probably doesn't help. And I was under the impression snorting freebase/#3 has low BA vs salt forms? Certainly my experiences backs that up. I also dislike snorting powder. When I use coke intranasally I prefer it in solution too, though now I've found on h I REALLY prefer smoking freebase. Before I was on opiates both methods were equally unimpressive.

Take home points: in solution the drug has greater surface area & is easier on the mucous membranes, so that alone increases BA. And my filtering process removes most of the cut (though unfortunately not all), which also helps immensely. Plus, I can get a lot more in my nostril at a time if it's purer, which is particularly necessary when I'm in a lot of pain, such as upon waking or after going out, & need relief ASAP.
 
I lol'd middle-aged-lady lols

Some of the posts on there are tragic & if they are real it's enough to put you off having sex.

For some reason I got an image of a woman that looks like that lady from The Chase that weras the glasses & is damn fit doing a kinda laugh where you just know the person laughing understands way too much ;) =D
 
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Had some ger yesterday that was just banging, I itched that much I have been bleeding all down my legs & sadly atm my jeans keep rubbing up against the cuts & it hurts badly but it is a good thing I still have some on the foil to keep the pain away.

My mate dropped my off 5 7.5mg Zopiclone for me & 20 300mg Gabapentin, I snorted half of the zopiclone pills this morning for breakfast as I woke up but I had to go into town so I didn't want to be fucked up badly. Today should be a good day folks ;)
 
Ugh. I need to at least IV in the am I think. WHY DOES SMOKING HAVE NO EFFECT ON ME? I don't like plugging bc it's too difficult to titrate my dose & seems much shorter acting than nasal. I don't like the increased sedation from IV & plugging, either.
 
Anytime myself or my girlfriend tried plugging H it always felt like a massive waste (although other people seem to love it, some say it's second best to IV).

I started off snorting #3 (which is only 25% at best as Blondin points out), then I graduated to smoking... but, it took awhile to get the hang of it and sometimes I would still snort some along with smoking; however I was but the learner... them I became the master and smoking became my number one ROA. Then I picked up the needle and started Mick Jaggin'.

When I started off snorting it definitely gave me more motivation that other ROAs. When you get the hang of chasing it really does become a habit in itself, sliding the beetle around the foil, sucking through the tooter and not losing one bit of vapour - you're right, it has a shorter duration than other routes.

Stay away from the needle, it was a big wake up call for me, perhaps that what I needed, but sticking a piece of metal into your arm/hand/leg/foot/wherever and injecting a solution, of god knows what at the end of the day, just to get high is extreme as fuck. The bruises, the damage, the reality of how far you've come and the dark path you've stumbled down, it's fucked up.
 
Theres a reason H and needles go hand-in-hand. 2x as high for 1/2 the price.....
 
Theres a reason H and needles go hand-in-hand. 2x as high for 1/2 the price.....

you right with that and even tho smoking is 50% BA you never get 50% you will always loose atleast 1/3 so you down to 30-35%.When smoking cocaine its almost as good as shooting snorting cocaine is a whole other drug and also different people sniff it than the people who smoke or shoot it.With heroin Iv its just another level you dont get with smoking or sniffing it while with cocaine you not forced to shoot it to get a massive rush when you do know how to smoke it properly and cook the base yourself.
I always loved to buy 10 grams of HQ rock that tested at 85% when i got some money and turn it into 8 grams super hq 95% almost seethrough cocaine base with washing it 3-4 times with some ammoniak.The rush from smoking 0.15 from this in one go was more intense than anything i ever achieved with shooting powder cocaine,my ears were ringing for minutes
 
Nice to hear I'm not the only one who finds plugging h wasteful. I find I need AT LEAST 2x as much as for the same effect nasally, & it lasts half as long!

I have smoked h quite a bit while expert smokers handled the foil & lighter for me. I've smoked a gram while in serious withdrawal & felt absolutely no relief (from same batch of which .2g nasally works fine). I also can't get an effect from smoking weed unless it's from a bong. But I have no problem with crack/freebase or meth. I have substantially reduced lung capacity due to my severe scoliosis & I just can't inhale much or hold it long.

I've IVed half a dozen drugs about a 20 times total & I used to be really good at hitting myself but as a cold, low blood pressured, not muscular female it's a real bitch & I was more muscular back when I was still in practice - I think it's been 9yrs since I've IVed. 5yrs ago someone else did me. I really don't like IVing myself, I don't find opiates at all recreational & never have, & I use them purely for pain. My biggest concern is raising my nasal tolerance by IVing. 1x a day would be the absolute max possible with my veins & honestly I think every other day would be more likely. I don't think I'm truly capable of psychological dependence - I've never encountered it with anything & generally don't enjoy being high often.

And I really hate the sedation especially as my pain already makes me very tired. No matter the dose IV always makes me nod which I hate.
 
Scored for the first time in a few days, I have no idea what caused me to do it but I had some spare cash & this huge desire to have a bag came over me out of nowhere, I was quite content to get a few cans of K cider & my mind drifted to thinking about gear.....my fate was sealed sadly.

This morning I am kicking myself, the bag was quite small & even though it was "scabby" on the plate the potency was less than great. I swear opiate drugs are some of the worst things on earth.
 
I've just spent about 45 mins wittering on about all sorts but as I am high and starved of any other contact it only took a minute or 2 away from the computer to let me see what a pile of crack induced self indulgent fucking rubbish it was, so while I cannot bring myself to delete it, a quick c&p across to Microsoft? Office Word has spared the forum from my idiotic thoughts for once while still providing me with the catharsis of a vent.

Long story short, I've been stuck without my ganjaman for 3 weeks (he's abroad for a month or 2) but finally managed to reconnect with an old link today (the trouble with being a recluse is that you only loose touch with folk, not meet them, hence my phone having 5 or so connects for bees and cees but only one left for ganjee. Now its 2, and having needed to give my arms a rest this past week I of course celebrated by getting a couple of whites and a few bags as well, the heroin being the same kick ass kit as the last time I checked them (the 2 I have opened so far being perfect rocks still). The weed is guava dawg (first time I have come across it) so coupled with the huge nugget of super lemon haze a local shopkeeper crashed me on Tuesday after hearing I was struggling leaves me in the rare position of having nothing to complain about.

I guess I am the shallowest piece of shit alive but as I get so happy when these occasional perfect conflagrations of substances occur it just reinforces how little I deserve anyone else in my life and how better off the world is for it.
 
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