http://pubs.rsc.org/services/images...Articleimage/2000/AN/a908091k/a908091k-f7.gif
This ones from 2000 and is connected with information and ref in one of my posts above. Looking at the anhydrous vs hydrated polymorph of MDMA we see obvious differences in peaks and troughs between the graphs.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ctra-of-MDMA-butylone-isomers-and-'doves'.png
2014.
So was that Raman spec from the Dutch mongy MDMA? Or just one found on the internet like these?
Also I don't know much about md-p2p glycidate, but I wonder if the reaction conditions in certain reductive aminations could allow for someone to just throw it in.
Honestly after thinking about it I believe it is possible for a one pot to be doable, I'm going to look around about this but pretty sure the al/hg reduction and probably others can be made acidic with similar yields. They could be adding HCl to the reduction mixture. I could see that being highly attractive way to go. Just buy this powder easily over the internet and in one relatively easy step you've got yourself some MDMA.
Also yes I'd like to see a pic of that product Glubra when ya can. Get as good of shot as possible and any obvious crystals. Sounds impure for sure, by how much it's hard to say.
Edit- Found a study where they analyzed seized ecstasy in Ireland via Raman spectroscopy, published in 2003. Looking at the three major peaks in one graph of multiple tablets it appears they resemble the MDMA "hydrate" seen in the other graph above. This is interesting and once again shows a polymorph (hydrate) in an ecstasy sample. Anyone from Ireland take ecstasy in the early 2000's? Lol
Holy shit holy shit guys... So actually found the full ref I listed above and oh my god found some more awesome info I'm so damn giddy..
They show the variation in their graph (first one above from 2000) above of MDMA anhydrous to hydrated MDMA. And also say this as well...
""The second parameter which was measured in the spectra is related to the degree of hydration of the MDMA present. We have previously found evidence for two differently hydrated forms of MDMA which form under different crystallisation conditions.""
""However, we also found that two of the bags contained only cellulose-based tablets, these had a very broad range of drug/excipient ratios and contained MDMA with hydration intermediate between that of the sorbitol tablets and the final bag of tablets, which were glucose-based. The tablets in this final bag had a very different degree of hydration from any of the others and appeared to have been carefully manufactured, since their MDMA/glucose ratios spanned a very narrow range (see Fig. 6(d)) compared to those of the tablets in the other sample bags.""
By the way these were all off-white Mitsubishi's from Ireland. What we are seeing here is that there are indeed hydrated polymorphs without a doubt in seized ecstasy from a time (early 2000's) when everyone still thought the MDMA was good. Even more they go on to say one bag of tablets was seemed "carefully manufactured and very different degree of hydration." What's becoming obvious is that indeed much of the product then had hydrated polymorphs but I'm wondering if that's changed at all since then and what differences are there between them and anhydrous MDMA.
This is getting interesting...
-GC
This ones from 2000 and is connected with information and ref in one of my posts above. Looking at the anhydrous vs hydrated polymorph of MDMA we see obvious differences in peaks and troughs between the graphs.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ctra-of-MDMA-butylone-isomers-and-'doves'.png
2014.
So was that Raman spec from the Dutch mongy MDMA? Or just one found on the internet like these?
Also I don't know much about md-p2p glycidate, but I wonder if the reaction conditions in certain reductive aminations could allow for someone to just throw it in.
Honestly after thinking about it I believe it is possible for a one pot to be doable, I'm going to look around about this but pretty sure the al/hg reduction and probably others can be made acidic with similar yields. They could be adding HCl to the reduction mixture. I could see that being highly attractive way to go. Just buy this powder easily over the internet and in one relatively easy step you've got yourself some MDMA.
Also yes I'd like to see a pic of that product Glubra when ya can. Get as good of shot as possible and any obvious crystals. Sounds impure for sure, by how much it's hard to say.
Edit- Found a study where they analyzed seized ecstasy in Ireland via Raman spectroscopy, published in 2003. Looking at the three major peaks in one graph of multiple tablets it appears they resemble the MDMA "hydrate" seen in the other graph above. This is interesting and once again shows a polymorph (hydrate) in an ecstasy sample. Anyone from Ireland take ecstasy in the early 2000's? Lol
Holy shit holy shit guys... So actually found the full ref I listed above and oh my god found some more awesome info I'm so damn giddy..
They show the variation in their graph (first one above from 2000) above of MDMA anhydrous to hydrated MDMA. And also say this as well...
""The second parameter which was measured in the spectra is related to the degree of hydration of the MDMA present. We have previously found evidence for two differently hydrated forms of MDMA which form under different crystallisation conditions.""
""However, we also found that two of the bags contained only cellulose-based tablets, these had a very broad range of drug/excipient ratios and contained MDMA with hydration intermediate between that of the sorbitol tablets and the final bag of tablets, which were glucose-based. The tablets in this final bag had a very different degree of hydration from any of the others and appeared to have been carefully manufactured, since their MDMA/glucose ratios spanned a very narrow range (see Fig. 6(d)) compared to those of the tablets in the other sample bags.""
By the way these were all off-white Mitsubishi's from Ireland. What we are seeing here is that there are indeed hydrated polymorphs without a doubt in seized ecstasy from a time (early 2000's) when everyone still thought the MDMA was good. Even more they go on to say one bag of tablets was seemed "carefully manufactured and very different degree of hydration." What's becoming obvious is that indeed much of the product then had hydrated polymorphs but I'm wondering if that's changed at all since then and what differences are there between them and anhydrous MDMA.
This is getting interesting...
-GC
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