ANTIFA attacks peaceful right wing protestors in Berkeley CA.
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Jabberwocky
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If you take colonialism and imperialism into consideration, far, far, far more than Mao, Stalin and Hitler combined. But that assumes we're tracing capitalism back to 1492. Some would probably argue true capitalism didn't come into play until a little later, in which case if would probably account for about the same numbers of deaths as Mao, Stalin and Hitler combined (or perhaps slightly more).
I can dig that.
I can dig that.
StoneHappyMonday
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In reply to the thread title....not hard enough.
Out.
Out.
nuttynutskin
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Why is it only "biased propaganda" if it's from the right side of the political spectrum? I've seen PLENTY of it from the left side that goes unchecked.
Jabberwocky
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Would you please just report posts you feel like have victimized you? If you feel like anyone's actions have left you discriminated against who is on staff, please send either CFC or myself a pm to let us know so we can deal with it.
Either of those options would be way better than just complain about it here. I'll make a sticky to let you know of some new policies we may be rolling out in CE&P in terms of dealing with actual discrimination so many of our forum's membership have been complaining about. Time to take the bulls by the horns, so to speak (the bulls being discrimination, both actual and perceived - to tame one form seriously we have to take both as such).
Anyways, our CE&P moderators do a hell of a job working to keep this forum running as smoothly as possible, and it's one of the hardest BL forums to moderator for sure. Anything you can do to help them make this forum a better place, the better. Any help you can give CE&P staff, it is very much appreciated in any case.
swilow
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I didn't say it was. But I gathered from droppersnecks post that it may be. Both sides can be biased for sure.
As above, report problem posts when you see them.
cduggles
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Also, please check out debunking on your sources. Photoshopped photos and videos of people dressed as Antifa (i.e., in black) doing 'things' abound.
Additionally, people have run into parades with fake banners and run in order to tweet the "event". The 'organizations' don't link back to anything or just a blog entry... typical tactics.
Additionally, people have run into parades with fake banners and run in order to tweet the "event". The 'organizations' don't link back to anything or just a blog entry... typical tactics.
nuttynutskin
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So do you believe that "punching nazis", (a term you seem to get off on) is going to help change their minds on their views?
nuttynutskin
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Something positive...
How do people become neo nazis?...
How do people become neo nazis?...
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So, like...doesn't that make you a fascist? You don't like somebody else's ideas so you'll punch them for disagreeing with you? Sounds like Hitler's Sturmabteilung to me.
I wish there was a rep system so I could +rep this post.
This whole "punch a nazi" thing is stupid, 7/10 of these antifa "people" can't even define the term Nazi. If anything, antifa are the real "nazis"
"GEORGE SOROS, WHERE'S OUR MONEY!!!"
I guess words are now violent, rofl @ this giraffe looking idiot.
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nuttynutskin
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That's the other problem... Besides being ok with the use of violence on people exercising their right to free speech, they throw around the term nazi and fascist so haphazardly it literally could mean anyone they disagree with. Pretty sure that's already been mentioned but I think it's worth pointing out again.
lol - that's a joke about the absurdity of the claim that antifa is a paid astro-turfing group.
seriously - you've been conned by something was wasn't even intended to be believed. it's humour!
the real irony here is that the alt right is funded by and connected to billionaire political agitators.
another case of "we'll accuse you of doing the exact thing we've been doing all along" (the other classic example being the '"antifa are the real fascists" line when it comes from fascists or their apologists)
Droppersneck
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I absolutely believe the alt right is funded by d bag conservative billionaires. You truly don't think the alt left/ Antifa isn't funded by the open society foundation? Hey I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you lol. Outside of a few coastal states, far left wing ideas aren't popular, so it makes sense for soros to fund these factions of impressionable extremists imo. Dude does it in many other countries. So real question SJ, do you think soros had arrest warrants in many many countries, including his home country, due to a vast right wing conspiracy? Have you seen the interviews where he admits he attempts to topple governments for political and monetary gain?
no, but he's hardly the only powerful american to do that, if it is even vaguely true (which i don't know because i really don't know much about soros).
there are so many instances of the US subverting (and overthrowing) other countries' political systems and governments that it's practically the orthodox way of doing politics...
i sincerely doubt antifa is anything but a grassroots activist tactic.
not every expression of radical politics is a conspiracy; it has nothing to do with how popular (or unpopular) left-wing ideas are; the fact of the matter is that neo-nazis tend to alienate a lot of people, who respond passionately to resist them. that's what antifa is, and that's why it is so funny that people claim (without any reputable evidence, of course) that antifascists are bankrolled by big money interests.
it's just another example of the disinformation that circulates in the online echo chambers of the far-right fringe.
nobody questions or disagrees or demands evidence, so bullshit that everyone wants to believe is true just flows out unchallenged, and you wind up with irate videos like the one above; complaining about those billionaire-backed anti-capitalist activists that are totally opposed to centre-left(ish) liberal politics and the far right :D
i also think that ignorance is a big part of the problem; i mean, how else can we account for people thinking antifa are some wing of the democratic party? dems and anarchists are not allies, even if they have some common enemies.
i'm glad you read my post then (to quote it). mustn't be a shit post
"punching nazis" isn't a fascist tactic; nazis tend to kill rather than simply punch. i doubt you'd be able to find any nazi propaganda that suggests punching rather than killing..
zephyr
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When people turn up at supposed peaceful rallys armed to the teeth, that is the point things are going wrong.
A potential for a peaceful rally really needs peaceful intent and the intent is not there when turning up armed.
If law enforcement dont see people coming armed and waving their guns around as a problem and shut it down well..... thats nuts!
What a weird world we live in ..
Im pretty cynical about America and the gun thing. Maybe its just normal to have a loaded gun and bring it along ?
A potential for a peaceful rally really needs peaceful intent and the intent is not there when turning up armed.
If law enforcement dont see people coming armed and waving their guns around as a problem and shut it down well..... thats nuts!
What a weird world we live in ..
Im pretty cynical about America and the gun thing. Maybe its just normal to have a loaded gun and bring it along ?
cduggles
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No, NAMBLA Is Not Protesting the Alt-Right for 'Pedo Bashing' with Antifa
Mike Pearl
November 4, 2017
Mike Pearl
November 4, 2017
Far-right luminaries like Mike Cernovich would love nothing more than for child molesters to pick a fight with them. But that's not really happening.
Child molesters are protesting with Antifa
Tweet from Jake Offenhartz:
Jake Offenhartz
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Alt right strikes first at Columbia Cernovich event, plants NAMBLA-branded sign in front of protest march
1:46 PM - Oct 30, 2017
As the photographer of the photo above, Jake Offenhartz, explained in a tweet (and in a post on the now-defunct local news site Gothamist), the banner above, ostensibly displayed in protest of an October 30 speech by far-right conspiracy guy Mike Cernovich at Columbia University, is just a hoax. According to Offenhartz, the banner was being carried not by protesters but by Cernovich's alt-right fans, who were quickly chased from the scene by genuine protesters, though not before producing the image they wanted.
The banner demands: "No White Supremacy" (a pretty cool thing to demand) followed by "No Pedo Bashing" (an extremely weird thing to demand). Below, there's the red and black flags of the internationally recognizable antifa symbol, followed by the logo of the North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, a group for child rapists who want their crimes to be legalized. (In case you need a refresher, Cernovich made a name for himself largely by perpetuating the asinine Pizzagate conspiracy, which posits that prominent Democrats are members of an evil Eyes Wide Shutcabal that uses the word "pizza" as a code word for its secret child rape orgies.)
What's implied here is that NAMBLA is A) in cahoots with the American left, and B) uniquely mad at Cernovich, of all people. That's pretty farfetched, not least because NAMBLA essentially doesn't exist anymore. Years ago the group pulled the plug on meetings and public activism, and has shut down almost all of its activities apart from collecting dues from a handful of members in order to maintain its website, according to my investigation last year for VICE.
But the idea that leftist protesters are simpatico with molesters is just too delicious for the right to resist publicizing, even if it is a horrible lie. Cernovich's post about the banner was reportedly removed by Twitter, but alt-right also-rans like Jack Posobiec circulated Offenhartz's photo as if it proved NAMBLA was allied with the left.
Later, when cooler heads had largely prevailed, and even the right began to doubt their interpretation of events, Paul Joseph Watson, the Fallout Boy to Alex Jones's Radioactive Man, wondered on his YouTube channel, "Does it matter whether or not it was a false flag given how funny it is?"
^ wow. the sad thing is that people seem to believe what they want about anti-fascists, no matter how absurd.
nice way to deflect that the republicans and trump people are downplaying the seriousness of a senator being a paedophile. you couldn't make this shit up.
the american far-right has some pretty complex attitudes towards child sex abuse.
yeah. i don't understand how people can call rallies (which feature heavily armed militias with firearms and full military gear - as well as neo-nazis) "peaceful protests".
it's especially ridiculous after one of those far-right "protesters" plowed his car into counter-demonstrators (who were peaceful - they were a long way from the 'action' because they didn't want to fight or get injured).
nice way to deflect that the republicans and trump people are downplaying the seriousness of a senator being a paedophile. you couldn't make this shit up.
the american far-right has some pretty complex attitudes towards child sex abuse.
yeah. i don't understand how people can call rallies (which feature heavily armed militias with firearms and full military gear - as well as neo-nazis) "peaceful protests".
it's especially ridiculous after one of those far-right "protesters" plowed his car into counter-demonstrators (who were peaceful - they were a long way from the 'action' because they didn't want to fight or get injured).
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