Well in the case of Manson I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I also think people should have the right to suicide. I don't think anyone has the right to tell someone not to kill themselves. Of course I would hope that no one I care about ever killed themselves, but at the same time I would have to recognize it as their right.
And I think that demonstrations a naive take on the fallibility of the mind.
A suicidally depressed person is incapable of making a truly free choice. Their future self needs to be saved from their past self.
There are countless people in the world who like me would tell you that depression made them unable to make a free, informed choice. And as such, it is not respecting their right to choose by letting them make the choice in that condition.
They need to be saved so they can make a truly free choice later when they recover. That's preserving their freedom not compromising it.
It's just like protecting children from the stupid shit children can do to hurt themselves. Their future self needs to be protected from their past self.
I'd say nearly all suicidally depressed people who recover will say they would retroactively consent to being stopped from killing themselves by force back when they were suicidal. Because they see now how clouded their thinking was and that they were a danger to themselves.
I understand why you believe what you do, but, and I mean no offense here, but I think it reflects a naive take on the human mind.
I often say what's important are the spirit of the rules not the words. I agree with the rule of personal freedom of choice. The difference is I feel this is preserving the spirit of the rule whereas your interpretation violates the spirit in favor of the words.
The rule is people having the right to choose to die. Which we both agree with. But I feel I'm following the spirit of the rule by ensuring only the mentally healthy can exercise that choice. The depressed aren't in their right mind and aren't capable of making a truly free choice, regardless of if we stop them or not. But on balance the vast majority of the time they would choose to continue living were they not depressed, and so that justified using force to stop them killing themselves until they aren't depressed.
As a result, more people in the long run will see their free choices respected. Whereas if we let them kill themselves nearly all of them would die when in the future were they to recover from depression they would not have chosen to die. Which means they would consent to being prevented from committing suicide retroactively.
That's how I see it.
If someone, healthy of mind and not depressed wants to die for rational reasons then I believe that is their right. But your right to make choices about your life is compromised when you are mentally ill. That's the case regardless of if we stop em or not. And that's why we SHOULD stop them. In the long run it will reflect people's people's free choice most of the time.