Kaleida
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Definitely agreed on the sentiments about there being new tryptamines to try and writing reports on them, I don't think I could have asked for a more exciting turn of events at this particular point on my psychedelic journey. Don't you just love it when things line up like that? 
Tripping with other BLers is pretty neat, I've had a couple lucky opportunities to experience this already. I sure wouldn't mind taking 4-HO-EPT in a group if the chance ever presented itself.... Something to keep in mind for making vacation plans.
Your assessment of 4-HO-DPT vs 4-HO-EPT sounds pretty right for me so far too, though I still want to push further on 4-HO-DPT for hallucinogenic reasons. On the body though, it certainly wasn't the dirtiest thing ever, far from it, but it was getting kind of tight already considering that I still wasn't tripping that hard yet, which I could see translating to the chest discomfort you mentioned. I also felt this very heavy feeling when I took 50 mg of 4-HO-MiPT, almost like it took a full conscious effort just to breath (though it wasn't alarming, just very physical). I do know some though who are able to take full-blown visionary doses and still describe feeling entirely comfortable, so yes, I'm sure individual variations can make quite a difference. I'm hoping that maybe by the time I get to that intense of a trip I'll be too dissociated from my body for it to matter anyway!
And I'm excited to take the 100 mg as well.
It should be pretty powerful after a bit longer of a time than normal since my previous trip as well.... One way or another, I'm sure that's going to be an experience to remember.
I must thank you for making this observation about being fearless on 4-HO-EPT.... It prompted me to do a whole lot of reading on the interaction between common psychoactive drugs and reactivity to negative stimuli in the amygdala, which turned out to be incredibly enlightening and turn into a lot of cool new thoughts going around in my head. I won't just unload all of it here, but suffice it to say that I'm now incredibly interested in the few studies that have specifically shown that psilocybin decreases this reactivity in the both the right and left amygdala, though with some selectivity for the right, and the same seems to be true of MDMA and citalopram, implicating serotonergic mechanisms in this effect, and that this change appears to be correlated with positive emotional changes on both psilocybin and MDMA. Given that I have also found that among tryptamines increasing the bulk of the tail has a tendency to increase the potency of the psychological and emotional effects of these psychedelics compared to potency of their hallucinations for me, it's really making me wonder now if part of the difference is just that, like MDMA and citalopram, these psychedelics retain the ability suppress amygdala activity even at doses that become increasingly less hallucinogenic as you move up from one tryptamine to the next through the molecular bulk, and if that's why by the time you get to something like 4-HO-EPT you get to the point where they are very powerfully deactivated, causing things like fearlessness and serenity, altered visual focus and time perception since the amygdalae are also involved in regulating those, and also some increased sexual feelings as have been noted during lesion studies and correlating with the fact that these brain structures are also deactivated by sexual activity and orgasms, which of course also links back to my other ideas about just what type of euphoria these molecules can cause, and all even at doses which are just barely hallucinogenic.... That sure would be interesting if it's the case.
And yes, I very much agree on the trip report writing. It's quite fun and hopefully useful, as others who are less cautious than we are will not have to also deal with going into these substances as blind as we are!
It would be so awesome to trip with someone just as interested in such states of mind as me!.. imagine if we can do it together, just guys from bl who are into that - when in such group I tend to go exploring deeper and the trip overall will be multiplied by minds that are alike! Fun, fun, fun...%)
4-HO-DPT compared to 4-HO-EPT felt "dirtier" to me and with lesser developed head trip and rather pronounced body load, including some chest discomfort that was in a way similar to my bigger doses of 4-HO-MiPT. Individual chemistry and metabolism play a key role, I'm guessing, when it comes to such substances.
I'm excited of both hearing Xorkoth opinion and Kaleida's 100mg TR!
Tripping with other BLers is pretty neat, I've had a couple lucky opportunities to experience this already.
I sure wouldn't mind taking 4-HO-EPT in a group if the chance ever presented itself.... Something to keep in mind for making vacation plans. Your assessment of 4-HO-DPT vs 4-HO-EPT sounds pretty right for me so far too, though I still want to push further on 4-HO-DPT for hallucinogenic reasons. On the body though, it certainly wasn't the dirtiest thing ever, far from it, but it was getting kind of tight already considering that I still wasn't tripping that hard yet, which I could see translating to the chest discomfort you mentioned. I also felt this very heavy feeling when I took 50 mg of 4-HO-MiPT, almost like it took a full conscious effort just to breath (though it wasn't alarming, just very physical). I do know some though who are able to take full-blown visionary doses and still describe feeling entirely comfortable, so yes, I'm sure individual variations can make quite a difference. I'm hoping that maybe by the time I get to that intense of a trip I'll be too dissociated from my body for it to matter anyway!
And I'm excited to take the 100 mg as well.
It should be pretty powerful after a bit longer of a time than normal since my previous trip as well.... One way or another, I'm sure that's going to be an experience to remember. Also the feeling of being fearless that 4-HO-EPT gave me, could potentially be used as a launchpad for smoked DMT imo. My poor ego gets shattered every time I smoke a decent dose so I naturally have apprehension although the benefits always overpower it
I'll test it out and post it here!
Posting TRs makes me feel involved and I'm hoping more people will seek out information before trying new drugs so there will be less trip disasters!
I must thank you for making this observation about being fearless on 4-HO-EPT.... It prompted me to do a whole lot of reading on the interaction between common psychoactive drugs and reactivity to negative stimuli in the amygdala, which turned out to be incredibly enlightening and turn into a lot of cool new thoughts going around in my head. I won't just unload all of it here, but suffice it to say that I'm now incredibly interested in the few studies that have specifically shown that psilocybin decreases this reactivity in the both the right and left amygdala, though with some selectivity for the right, and the same seems to be true of MDMA and citalopram, implicating serotonergic mechanisms in this effect, and that this change appears to be correlated with positive emotional changes on both psilocybin and MDMA. Given that I have also found that among tryptamines increasing the bulk of the tail has a tendency to increase the potency of the psychological and emotional effects of these psychedelics compared to potency of their hallucinations for me, it's really making me wonder now if part of the difference is just that, like MDMA and citalopram, these psychedelics retain the ability suppress amygdala activity even at doses that become increasingly less hallucinogenic as you move up from one tryptamine to the next through the molecular bulk, and if that's why by the time you get to something like 4-HO-EPT you get to the point where they are very powerfully deactivated, causing things like fearlessness and serenity, altered visual focus and time perception since the amygdalae are also involved in regulating those, and also some increased sexual feelings as have been noted during lesion studies and correlating with the fact that these brain structures are also deactivated by sexual activity and orgasms, which of course also links back to my other ideas about just what type of euphoria these molecules can cause, and all even at doses which are just barely hallucinogenic.... That sure would be interesting if it's the case.
And yes, I very much agree on the trip report writing. It's quite fun and hopefully useful, as others who are less cautious than we are will not have to also deal with going into these substances as blind as we are!
