Mental Health anyone else have schizophrenia

[NOtoInvega]

you just dont give up do you? stop spreading bullshit in this thread. what are you hoping to achieve by posting all this crap, the more you post the clearer it becomes that your delusional, obviously off medication and on a tangent to spread lies. give it up already.

I am assisting people who are able to understand and respond to what I am posting, while seeing if they know anything that can help me. I haven't lied once. The theory that dopamine causes psychosis has never been proven, and neuroleptics are a hellish "treatment" and I use the word treatment very loosely here.

 

[SixBuckets]

And that is the basis of modern psychiatry. The idea that everything has a biological cause, and nothing has a spiritual cause. You do realize that there is not a single test that can be done to prove someone has schizophrenia right? Or any other mental illness other than a small number. If it doesn't show up in a brain scan, it is not real. If a brain looks like a normal brain, it is because it is a normal brain.

Bi-polar dx is subjective opinion. Schizophrenia dx is subjective opinion.

That's not just psychiatry, that's a significant portion of medicine. Many - if not most - medical conditions are diagnosed by a doctor or medical specialist observing symptoms. Even the conditions that can be tested for are diagnosed by a doctor subjectively interpreting test results. This is the entire foundation of Western medicine.

There is no proof that antipsychotics treat psychosis.

Except that there is? A lot of it? Dating back at least half a century?

Psychosis is caused by a spirit of confusion. Not a chemical imbalance.

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I've been waiting to use that eye roll emoticon since I started my account.

I have never felt worse, in my entire life, than my time on invega. And you will find TONS of people saying the same thing. Many people would rather commit suicide than stay on APs. Many people do when court ordered to take them. Of course, this is attributed to "mental illness" and not forced drugging.

I am genuinely sorry to hear that Invega isn't working for you. I've read enough of your posts to know that you're really miserable on this medication, and I hope you find the support to start a treatment plan that works for you. But it's not OK to use that experience to tell other people (who may be vulnerable) that their medication is poison. That's a lot more likely to lead to suicides than anti-psychotic treatment is.

ALL APs work the same on everyone. Everyone who takes them will have their dopaminergic system blockaded by a drug that is prescribed based on a hypothesis that has never been verified. APs are a multi-billion dollar industry. There is a lot of money in that hypothesis.

They all affect different receptors and different people respond differently to different chemical 'mixes'. Haven't you noticed that side effects and efficacy are documented in terms of prevalence - the % of people studied who experienced each thing? Literally every study done on every antipsychotic ever has recorded differences in effect on different people.

They literally force every person who ends up in an acute psychiatric hospital to take anti-psychotics (regardless of why the ended up there and whether or not they are displaying symptoms of psychosis while they are being observed there). The right to refuse is thoroughly circumvented. Coercion is the name of the game. Many are coerced or outright forced into getting injections of invega sustenna which does not leave the person's brain for 4-8 MONTHS after just one month of *cough* treatment *cough*.

I don't know where you are or what the circumstances of your hospitalisation were, but that's not my experience at all.

APs never facilitate leading a "high-functioning" life. There are reports of them helping some people, but those reports are slanted.

I'm at work right now. I work two jobs and study. I maintain healthy relationships. I have healthy boundaries and a reasonable capacity for stress. Since starting treatment, my life includes substantially less crying in the laundry because of imaginary persecution. I'd say I lead a high functioning life for a crazy person with comorbid chronic illness.

You are talking about an industry that still forcibly gives people electric shocks to induce seizures.

Which sounds really scary until you look at recovery rates for treatment resistant depression to ECT. I mean, heart surgery sounds pretty scary if you say "We're talking about an industry that saws through people's sternums and rams tubes into their hearts", doesn't it?

Don't trust psychiatric pseudoscience. Real science has objectively verifiable...well...science.

Dude, it doesn't sound like you know a great deal about science.

APs make people suicidal for a reason. They remove your ability to feel good. Some are worse than others but they are all bad -- for everyone.

I feel pretty generally awesome, actually. My life is great and I owe a bunch of that to psychiatric treatment.

 

[NOtoInvega]

That's not just psychiatry, that's a significant portion of medicine. Many - if not most - medical conditions are diagnosed by a doctor or medical specialist observing symptoms. Even the conditions that can be tested for are diagnosed by a doctor subjectively interpreting test results. This is the entire foundation of Western medicine.
No it is not. Every single medical profession besides psychiatry uses objective testing to diagnose illness. You do not get diagnosed based on a subjective interpretation of test results, and certainly not a subjective interpretation of behaviors (symptoms, in real medicine). Psychiatrists tell you that you have an incurable brain disease with -0- proof.


Except that there is? A lot of it? Dating back at least half a century?
There is -0- objective evidence that psychosis is caused by dopamine. People on extremely strong dopamine antagonists still have psychotic episodes.



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I've been waiting to use that eye roll emoticon since I started my account..Why are you rolling your eyes. Your faith in the pseudoscience that is the religion of psychiatry is an extreme leap of faith.


I am genuinely sorry to hear that Invega isn't working for you. I've read enough of your posts to know that you're really miserable on this medication, and I hope you find the support to start a treatment plan that works for you. But it's not OK to use that experience to tell other people (who may be vulnerable) that their medication is poison. That's a lot more likely to lead to suicides than anti-psychotic treatment is.

Invega does not work for anyone. Every person who has received an invega sustenna injection has been made completely miserable. I have read countless posts online of people who are going through the same thing. many of them are suicidal as a result


They all affect different receptors and different people respond differently to different chemical 'mixes'. Haven't you noticed that side effects and efficacy are documented in terms of prevalence - the % of people studied who experienced each thing? Literally every study done on every antipsychotic ever has recorded differences in effect on different people. Those studies are slanted. People like me don't participate in studies because we know what game is really being played. Have you ever played telephone? Two people can have the same experience and one of them will say they didn't have the same one.



I'm at work right now. I work two jobs and study. I maintain healthy relationships. I have healthy boundaries and a reasonable capacity for stress. Since starting treatment, my life includes substantially less crying in the laundry because of imaginary persecution. I'd say I lead a high functioning life for a crazy person with comorbid chronic illness. You are posting on bluelight right now. You were being manipulated by a demon when you were having delusions of persecution. Meds did not cure you of this, in fact they can not. They can mask symptoms by hindering your thought in general. If you are on APs, you are miserable and you know it.

Which sounds really scary until you look at recovery rates for treatment resistant depression to ECT. I mean, heart surgery sounds pretty scary if you say "We're talking about an industry that saws through people's sternums and rams tubes into their hearts", doesn't it? ECT can not treat depression. You actually think shocking people into having seizures treats depression? No wonder you buy into psychiatry. You will believe anything a "professional" says. Heart surgery treats a condition that has a PROVEN CAUSE and a PROVEN SOLUTION.

DO YOU KNOW WHY THOSE RECOVERY RATES ARE SO HIGH? BECAUSE UNTIL YOU SAY IT WORKS - THEY KEEP SHOCKING YOU INVOLUNTARILY. SIMILAR TO HOW THEY DON'T LET YOU OUT OF THE PSYCH WARD UNTIL YOU SAY THE MEDS CURED YOUR SYMPTOMS.

Dude, it doesn't sound like you know a great deal about science. I know enough to know that blocking dopamine is not TREATMENT. It is chemical restraint.


I feel pretty generally awesome, actually. My life is great and I owe a bunch of that to psychiatric treatment.

Do you feel awesome as a result of taking a drug that blocks the chemical that makes you feel good? Do you truly feel awesome? Or are you using positive thinking to trick yourself into believing psychiatry helped you?

No one taking neuroleptics feels awesome. That is physically impossible.

Out of every 50 or so people, I always see one or two talking like you. You are the type of people they use for studies. The vast majority of people who take neuroleptics are devastated by them.

 

[SixBuckets]

Learn to quote, m8.

No it is not. Every single medical profession besides psychiatry uses objective testing to diagnose illness. You do not get diagnosed based on a subjective interpretation of test results, and certainly not a subjective interpretation of behaviors (symptoms, in real medicine).

I question the amount of time you have spent with non-psychiatric specialists.

There is -0- objective evidence that psychosis is caused by dopamine. People on extremely strong dopamine antagonists still have psychotic episodes.

That's not what you said, though. You said there is no evidence that antipsychotics treat psychosis. There clearly is.

Those studies are slanted. People like me don't participate in studies because we know what game is really being played. Have you ever played telephone? Two people can have the same experience and one of them will say they didn't have the same one.

I don't see how 'people like you' participating in studies would change the fact that the studies record different effects for different participants? I'm not sure that you're reading my comments before replying...

You are posting on bluelight right now.

From work.

You were being manipulated by a demon when you were having delusions of persecution. Meds did not cure you of this, in fact they can not. They can mask symptoms by hindering your thought in general. If you are on APs, you are miserable and you know it.

Nope. Really nope.

DO YOU KNOW WHY THOSE RECOVERY RATES ARE SO HIGH? BECAUSE UNTIL YOU SAY IT WORKS - THEY KEEP SHOCKING YOU INVOLUNTARILY. SIMILAR TO HOW THEY DON'T LET YOU OUT OF THE PSYCH WARD UNTIL YOU SAY THE MEDS CURED YOUR SYMPTOMS.

This isn't what happens. ECT has a predetermined, evidence-based treatment duration. They cease treatment at the end of the course regardless of whether it's worked or not.

Again, I don't know where you are, but your report bears no resemblance to the psychiatric hospital system in Australia.

Do you feel awesome as a result of taking a drug that blocks the chemical that makes you feel good? Do you truly feel awesome? Or are you using positive thinking to trick yourself into believing psychiatry helped you?

.... pretty sure, actually.

How could I use 'positive thinking' if I wasn't able to feel positive feelings?

No one taking neuroleptics feels awesome. That is physically impossible.

Fortunately for everyone else reading, arguing that demons cause psychiatric conditions kinda suggests you're an unreliable narrator. So I'm optimistic no one's going to eschew medication based on your claims here.

 

[NOtoInvega]

Everyone who has spent even a little time researching the abuses people have suffered at the hands of psychiatry knows the evidence for ECT is the same as the evidence for APs.

They don't let you go until you say it works. So people say it works to go home.

People have had over 50 involuntary electric shocks. Do you have any idea how evil ECT is, especially involuntary? I suggest you read some stuff at mindfreedom. The fact that you believe ECT actually treats people shows exactly how effective the propaganda machine is. Anyone who believes electric shock treats ANYTHING has absolutely NO faith in God. That is the litmus test.


Well, I guess if you want to be pro-electric shock and pro-neuroleptics (dopamine-blocking drugs that torture people into a state of just "being there" and being constantly extremely restless and anxious and never happy), you will be. Meanwhile, millions of people are suffering as a result of these things.

There is 0 proof that dopamine causes psychosis and there is 0 proof that electric shock treats depression and there is 0 proof that neuroleptics prevent psychosis. In fact, people have psychotic episodes while on neuroleptics every day. Neuroleptics are very strong, so if dopamine were what is causing the psychosis - those people would be incapable of having psychotic episodes.

It is sad that there is even a debate over whether or not it is OK to trick people or FORCE people into electric shock treatment. It is a human rights abuse. The UN actually called forced neuroleptics torture. And it is.

I guarantee that if you are on neuroleptics, you do not feel amazing. This is because those drugs render you incapable, physically, of feeling good. Let alone amazing.

 

[NOtoInvega]

How could I use 'positive thinking' if I wasn't able to feel positive feelings?

Seriously?

Demons cause psychosis not dopamine. Why would you ever buy into the idea that dopamine causes psychosis. Keep thinking positive. It won't make you feel good again.

Dopamine makes you feel good and think fast. It doesn't cause psychosis.

Are you even on neuroleptics? I have never seen anyone use the words "I feel amazing" while on neuroleptics. I have run into people who are mislead into thinking neuroleptics helped them, but I have never seen anyone say that.

 

[SixBuckets]

Everyone who has spent even a little time researching the abuses people have suffered at the hands of psychiatry knows the evidence for ECT is the same as the evidence for APs.

They don't let you go until you say it works. So people say it works to go home.

People have had over 50 involuntary electric shocks. Do you have any idea how evil ECT is, especially involuntary? I suggest you read some stuff at mindfreedom. The fact that you believe ECT actually treats people shows exactly how effective the propaganda machine is. Anyone who believes electric shock treats ANYTHING has absolutely NO faith in God. That is the litmus test.


Well, I guess if you want to be pro-electric shock and pro-neuroleptics (dopamine-blocking drugs that torture people into a state of just "being there" and being constantly extremely restless and anxious and never happy), you will be. Meanwhile, millions of people are suffering as a result of these things.

There is 0 proof that dopamine causes psychosis and there is 0 proof that electric shock treats depression and there is 0 proof that neuroleptics prevent psychosis. In fact, people have psychotic episodes while on neuroleptics every day. Neuroleptics are very strong, so if dopamine were what is causing the psychosis - those people would be incapable of having psychotic episodes.

It is sad that there is even a debate over whether or not it is OK to trick people or FORCE people into electric shock treatment. It is a human rights abuse. The UN actually called forced neuroleptics torture. And it is.

I keep telling you that your experience doesn't align with how the mental health system works in Australia. If that's how things work where you are, that's really shit. Or made up, one of the two.

You're right that I don't believe in god/s, but I somehow don't think that's proof that my psych meds aren't working.

I guarantee that if you are on neuroleptics, you do not feel amazing. This is because those drugs render you incapable, physically, of feeling good. Let alone amazing.

... still nope. But really, we're two pseudonymous people on the internet. Neither of us can prove our claims (happiness/god) to the other.

Seriously?

Demons cause psychosis not dopamine. Why would you ever buy into the idea that dopamine causes psychosis. Keep thinking positive. It won't make you feel good again.

Dopamine makes you feel good and think fast. It doesn't cause psychosis.

I actually feel a bit bad continuing to engage you when you're clearly unwell. I hope you get some decent treatment that you feel comfortable engaging with. Good luck, buddy.

Are you even on neuroleptics? I have never seen anyone use the words "I feel amazing" while on neuroleptics. I have run into people who are mislead into thinking neuroleptics helped them, but I have never seen anyone say that.

... still yep.

 

[NOtoInvega]

I keep telling you that your experience doesn't align with how the mental health system works in Australia. If that's how things work where you are, that's really shit. Or made up, one of the two.

You're right that I don't believe in god/s, but I somehow don't think that's proof that my psych meds aren't working.
You put your faith in something that makes you feel terrible. You can not say you feel amazing when you are on neuroleptics. That is impossible. You WANT to put FAITH in psychiatry, so you do. What I said is the fact that you believe electrically shocking people is TREATMENT - is proof that you have no faith in God. And I was right.



... still nope. But really, we're two pseudonymous people on the internet. Neither of us can prove our claims (happiness/god) to the other.



I actually feel a bit bad continuing to engage you when you're clearly unwell. I hope you get some decent treatment that you feel comfortable engaging with. Good luck, buddy.
You are on neuroleptics? You never feel good. Ever. Sometimes you trick yourself into thinking you do. But you know the truth. Well there is a way out. Put faith in something you can prove. Try prophecy.


... still yep. For clarity - you are actually claiming you feel "amazing" on neuroleptics? WHY? Why outright lie. You know you do not feel good. People saying stuff like that is what perpetuates the involuntary torture of millions.

This is part if why I am happy there are only a few prophecies left to go. Look what humans do to each other and perpetuate. In Australia, people are FORCED to be on neuroleptics who have never been convicted of a crime. IDK if there is some limit on the number of involuntary shocks they can receive, but in the UK and in America - the vast majority of evidence for neuroleptics and ECT comes from the fact that people in psych wards are tortured until they say the torture works. Once they say they are ill, that the neuroleptics or ECT work, and comply with pseudo scientific religion - they get to go home and stop being tortured (unless outpatient torture is mandated). As you can imagine, the studies are slightly biased.

 

[SixBuckets]

You put your faith in something that makes you feel terrible. You can not say you feel amazing when you are on neuroleptics. That is impossible. You WANT to put FAITH in psychiatry, so you do. What I said is the fact that you believe electrically shocking people is TREATMENT - is proof that you have no faith in God. And I was right.

Except that it doesn't make me feel terrible? I have a dry mouth, I have to take vitamin D to keep my bone strength up, and I gain weight easily, but that's really the extent of any negatives brought about by medication. I have an awesome life. My jobs are really rewarding, I enjoy what I'm studying, and I have really good relationships. None of that would be possible if I was psychotic and/or depressed. I'm not psychotic and/or depressed, so I'm calling it a win for psych meds. Yay!

You are on neuroleptics? You never feel good. Ever. Sometimes you trick yourself into thinking you do. But you know the truth. Well there is a way out. Put faith in something you can prove. Try prophecy.

I have a rule about not arguing about religion with religious people. I suppose I also extend that to mentally ill people.

For clarity - you are actually claiming you feel "amazing" on neuroleptics?

See above. Enjoyable life + no symptoms + minimal side effects = happy bucket. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this?

 

[NOtoInvega]

I don't see what's so hard to understand about this?

I understand perfectly. You are claiming that drugs that block your dopamine from binding do not make you feel terrible. That you are happy. You are the first person I have seen make that claim, out of a lot of people. If you want to keep telling yourself that, fine. It doesn't change how you really feel.
I have seen, rarely, people claim to be functional on neuroleptics. No one claims to "feel amazing." You sound like someone trying to get discharged from a psych ward.

 

[sam05]

before NOtoInvega spammed this thread with bullshit i had a legit question that never got answered.

Why is it one or the other with this mental disorder, its either complete chaos in my head causing psychotic feelings or being medicated so much its zombifying, why is there no in between where i can be functional yet not psychotic or zombified, is there no in between balance?

 

[SixBuckets]

before NOtoInvega spammed this thread with bullshit i had a legit question that never got answered.

Why is it one or the other with this mental disorder, its either complete chaos in my head causing psychotic feelings or being medicated so much its zombifying, why is there no in between where i can be functional yet not psychotic or zombified, is there no in between balance?

Can't guarantee it will happen for everyone, but I just kept trying different med combos (over a long period) until I found something that didn't sedate me and alleviated my symptoms. I recognise that that's pretty lucky, though - most people seem to get sedation from anything that works.

 

[sam05]

just thought i'd bump an old thread.

in my life i deal with a constant feeling of being fucked up, i know its my mental illness but i just cant accept that this is the way i have to be for the rest of my life, its like a fate worse than death.

i basically have nothing and because im so fucked in the head from too many drugs i cant dig my way out, my brain wont let me, its like a constant feeling of being trapped in this existance that i have so much disdain for that when im awake im feeling a constant kind of sadness/patheticness about my shit fucking life. everything just seems so pointless and its like what am i even here for? do i contribute anything to society? no...

then i think about death and im kind of jealous of people who have died, they go back to (what i believe) nothingness the same as what it was like before they were born, not even an awareness of nothingness. when i look at it this way life seems so fucking pointless, yet im told to believe that there is a god but its never worked for me, this so called god has never given me anything and i get nothing from this belief that other people seem to.

 

[herbavore]

Yeah, the god belief never did anything for me either. I actually gave it a very earnest try as a kid but I couldn't wrap my head around it. I think what made it easier for me was that I had a lot of exposure to nature as a kid. I was outside more than inside and you just can't spend hours out in nature as a very small being and not realize the immensity of what you are a part of. God or no god, we do live in an amazing and dynamic universe. We get this little bit of time in these bodies, and then we get all caught up in the useless dramas of our particular place and time and that leads to so much confusion and suffering. But you can step outside of that. It's easy to be an observer in nature, to get out of your own head to a sufficient degree that you can just relax into being. It's harder in the human stew most of us live in. Don't hate yourself for your drug use. just work on loving yourself and by extension everything else and the drugs will have no power over your life.

P.S. Have you ever listened to Will Hall? He's an inspiring guy that has worked with schizophrenia in his own life and has some different viewpoints to share about it. Look him up online--he does some podcasts.

 

[Hecticus]

I think i may be on my way. My mum being a schizophrenic and a drug abuser. My grandfather's on both sides suffering bipolar(i suicide) My dad being a narcissist drug abuser and being brought up around things i shouldn't have been exposed to. I was raised by my grandmother.

I started abusing marijuana at age 13 which i think is the some time my depression and anxiety had developed. It took me longer to develop physically and socially and found my depression increasing towards the end of school when i left. My abuse of marijuane continued after i quit school where the paranoia and anxiety reached new heights. I eventually quit and get on the next best thing, alcohol, mdma and methamphetamine(mostly) which i use infrequently these days. I am now 22 and have a full blown opioid habit which so far seems to be the most functional psychoactive.

I don't know whether this depression has always been here or if it is at this points the drugs exacerbating it making it appear worse. The amount of stimulant abuse should have surely set of a psychotic episode by now you'd think but here i am.

Is there anyone who can give me some insight or has experienced similar circumstances and how you overcame self medication or whether self medication was really necessary after stopping?

 

[motheralaska]

Thank you for your words ..I found this inspiring...I am bipolar...I had a brief experience with Risperdal [sometimes good..sometimes made me ill ]..I appreciate your attitude of self acceptance as being helpful to your functioning ability...

 

[Tim32]

I agree with notoinvega. Forced injections are crimes against humanity.

 

[Drking]

yes i can relate

 

[Drking]

every human action that society views as abnormal becomes a illness. Everyone's ill or on a pill. Society solution to an illness is a pill. Holistic approaches dont get funded and are laughed at. Its not the people that are mentally ill society is.

 

[flakka]

I was misdiagnosed with it & was forced invega sustanon injections. Evil drug the inventors should be tracked down hung upside down by their feet and