God does not want our love. God wishes only to serve man.

[Gnostic Bishop]

God does not want our love. God wishes only to serve man.

God does not want to be served. God has no wants or needs.

He is the serving shepherd. He is not the sheep waiting for man to shepherd him. God wishes to serve us and rejects our puny efforts that do not serve him at all.

His policy is that the strong serve the weak and not we weak humans serving a strong God.

God will not return to serve us until his elect recognize who he is and demand his service.

Unfortunately, Christians do not seem astute enough to recognize this fact.

Why any human would think that an all-powerful God wants us to bend the knee him show the human ego at work. We have nothing that a God would want except for our own need that only a God can assuage.

So seek God as Jesus advises my friends but not to serve as you have nothing God wants, but to demand that he serve you. You are to knock and when the door opens, gain the gift from God that apotheosis brings. You have nothing God wants but God has much to give and he lives only to give.

Do the right thing and demand that God serve you by igniting your single eye as he has done for me.

Matthew 6:22 The light of thebody is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be fullof light.

Regards
DL

 

[methamaniac]

My opinion,

As I have said before, God is not doing this for his benefit. You're right.
His needs are always met.
This has always been love within the father/son/and spirit/ holy ghost. ( my belief)
His love is infinite, you can not add or subtract from it.
We are suppose to bring glory to God.
Not because he needs this glory.
WE need to glorify God for OUR benefit.
It helps US develop spiritually. TO try to understand an infinite truth.
We are not being selfish worshiping God.
We are expressing his infinite selfishness. He could very well let no coniousness/soul experience love. But he lets countless souls experience love. IF you never experience true love it isnt because HE is selfish, its because you couldnt be unselfish enough to experience true love. Free will either makes you or breaks you. It doesnt violate any infinite truth imo.
It upholds one that says selfishness destroys love.
We need God to experience/reciprocate love, not visa versa.
Dont let a human mind that can not truly concieve "infinity" hold you back from experiencing spirit/truth/love/ God.
Logical paradoxes to you, are easy as
one plus one for God.
Dont expect it strange to not be able to apply absolutes to God in respect to every question you have, you cant even know you're absolutley correct with a finite mind.
You can put faith in what has been revealed by his word is absolute.

 

[Ninae]

He doesn't NEED our love but he wants our love. He finds much pleasure in the (mostly unconscious) constant exchange of love that goes on between us. He would just like us to become more aware of it.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

My opinion,

As I have said before, God is not doing this for his benefit. You're right.
His needs are always met.
This has always been love within the father/son/and spirit/ holy ghost. ( my belief)
His love is infinite, you can not add or subtract from it.
We are suppose to bring glory to God.
Not because he needs this glory.
WE need to glorify God for OUR benefit.
It helps US develop spiritually. TO try to understand an infinite truth.
We are not being selfish worshiping God.
We are expressing his infinite selfishness. He could very well let no coniousness/soul experience love. But he lets countless souls experience love. IF you never experience true love it isnt because HE is selfish, its because you couldnt be unselfish enough to experience true love. Free will either makes you or breaks you. It doesnt violate any infinite truth imo.
It upholds one that says selfishness destroys love.
We need God to experience/reciprocate love, not visa versa.
Dont let a human mind that can not truly concieve "infinity" hold you back from experiencing spirit/truth/love/ God.
Logical paradoxes to you, are easy as
one plus one for God.
Dont expect it strange to not be able to apply absolutes to God in respect to every question you have, you cant even know you're absolutley correct with a finite mind.
You can put faith in what has been revealed by his word is absolute.

Thanks for this.

You are correct and until we elect ourselves a God, we will continue in our lack of someone to glorify, to our desired glory.
We can only be as glorious as our ideal.

Without knowing what that ideal is, we cannot get there. We need a benchmark.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

He doesn't NEED our love but he wants our love. He finds much pleasure in the (mostly unconscious) constant exchange of love that goes on between us. He would just like us to become more aware of it.

God does not change, or so we are told.

If he wants for anything then he is not an all powerful God.

Your mythical God lived for millennia without man. To think that out of the blue he developed a need or want for our love is quite droll.

Regards
DL

 

[methamaniac]

^^^^
Careful putting God in a box.
You would hate to meet "him" one day and he intelligently explains why you wrong.
You better make sure you're in stalemate.
A big hang up for people is they can not concieve how God exists outside of his creation
while somehow being able to be present at same time.
How he can love (and expressed this) and not "need" love at the same time.
Im sure it has something to do with illusion of time.
Once the curtain is imediately tore like it was in the temple the day the lord died on cross, (symholism much?)
our seprarion "curtain" between God will
be no longer and answers will be revealed.
( my belief--)

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

^^^^
Careful putting God in a box.
You would hate to meet "him" one day and he intelligently explains why you wrong.
You better make sure you're in stalemate.
A big hang up for people is they can not concieve how God exists outside of his creation
while somehow being able to be present at same time.
How he can love and not need love at the same time.
Im sure it has something to do with illusion of time.
Once the curtain is imediately tore like it was in the temple the day the lord died on cross, (symholism much?)
our seprarion "curtain" between God will
be no longer and answers will be revealed.
( my belief--)

I have met what most call God. There is pleasure and pain but it is not that bad.


The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal astaught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethrento Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, thenyou will begin to know the only God you will ever find. It is to become more fullyhuman.

Regards
DL

 

[Ninae]

God does not change, or so we are told.

If he wants for anything then he is not an all powerful God.

Your mythical God lived for millennia without man. To think that out of the blue he developed a need or want for our love is quite droll.

Regards
DL

No, because God's nature IS love and we were created out of that love. When he wants to create a new soul he sends forth a spark of love from his heart. Then the relationship of love between us is the main thing, or the only thing that really matters, everything else is illusory or secondary.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

No, because God's nature IS love and we were created out of that love. When he wants to create a new soul he sends forth a spark of love from his heart. Then the relationship of love between us is the main thing, or the only thing that really matters, everything else is illusory or secondary.

You box your God in one word and give him a human characteristic. You have shrunk your God to nothing.

Regards
DL

 

[methamaniac]

The GodHead Explained- Father, Son and Holy Spiri…: http://youtu.be/OgqUvWZ0DE8

Wow, you touched on what some say the most profound words of the bible.
What God called himself.
Im glad you are meditating/praying on those.
" I AM WHO I AM" has many meanings ,
imo most importantly God had no beginning and he is sovereign.

The LORD can say a lot with a name.
Like when he changes Abram's name to Abraham, Sarai's name to Sarah, and Jacob's name to Israel (in Genesis)
No coincidence in JESUS' s s name either.
Or sacred name of YHWH.

I believe you will enjoy the link.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

The GodHead Explained- Father, Son and Holy Spiri…: http://youtu.be/OgqUvWZ0DE8

Wow, you touched on what some say the most profound words of the bible.
What God called himself.
Im glad you are meditating/praying on those.
" I AM WHO I AM" has many meanings ,
imo most importantly God had no beginning and he is sovereign.

The LORD can say a lot with a name.
Like when he changes Abram's name to Abraham, Sarai's name to Sarah, and Jacob's name to Israel (in Genesis)
No coincidence in JESUS' s s name either.
Or sacred name of YHWH.

I believe you will enjoy the link.

If it takes an hour to explain then it is not a worthy explanation.

Here is a worthy explanation that only takes 3 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VsN3IG1HtQ

You might remember that Constantine had to force the Trinity vote in his favor with threats before Christianity adopted their idiotic version of the Trinity that has God sacrificing himself to himself to appease his own wrath. Idiocy at it's finest that.

Jesus said seek God. Never did he say seek me.

Rethink your view of I Am as well.

The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal astaught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethrento Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, thenyou will begin to know the only God you will ever find. It is to become more fullyhuman.

Regards
DL

 

[harmacologist]

god be all up in heaven

and god be all like

skeet skeet skeet
skkeet skkeet skeet

 

[methamaniac]

^^^
watched links

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.9"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.…"

In some passages in the bible we are referred as gods. Some passages it means judges and some it means "god" like--made in his image (Imo)
If you take it to mean you can become equal with God thru you're own means, you are siding with what satan told us imo.
You have to read the bible in context, and imo the whole thing in order to see fruits.
Reading a passage here or there will probably leave you more confused than when you started.
It clearly says in the bible there is but one way to be with God. THRU accepting his gift/atonement/convenant/sacrifice as the bridge between our gap.
If you accept this, everything else will fall into place---trust me!
No, dont trust me----
TRUST word of God!
Build on this solid foundation and meditate on the word until more is revealed and you can start building a beatiful home.
Prehaps after this life we will flow back into God
and in some way be "like' him. Who knows?
Only God knows what he has ultimately planned
for us. Humble yourself and try not to be arrogant enough ( yes this is hard) to think you got It all figured out. We're not suppose to know everything now, God reveals what we need if we will look.
God is a rewarder for those that dilligently seek him.
I believe one thing is revealed rather clearly:
You're not going to become God or "god" like on earth.

 

[What 23]

I'm pretty sure 'God' wants 'love'.
I'm sure 'love' is a requirement.

Without 'love', no current 'human' concept of 'God' would exist.

 

[methamaniac]

"Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends."


^^^
I agree with you.
Love is the vehicle for the sacrafice, and the vehicle to accept the sacrafice.
You can love this or that, but to accept/recieve this love/sacrifice is accepting/recieving God.

 

[Ninae]

You box your God in one word and give him a human characteristic. You have shrunk your God to nothing.

Regards
DL

Semantics, and we are "made in his image".

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

god be all up in heaven

and god be all like

skeet skeet skeet
skkeet skkeet skeet

If you cannot see God everywhere, you will not find him anywhere.

If God is not within and without us, he is not worthy of his title.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Semantics, and we are "made in his image".

If God is not androgynous, he is not worthy of his title.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

"Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends."


^^^
I agree with you.
Love is the vehicle for the sacrafice, and the vehicle to accept the sacrafice.
You can love this or that, but to accept/recieve this love/sacrifice is accepting/recieving God.

I speak of this immoral Christian tenet below and expand on the morality issues; care to argue those issues?

How will you get yourselfinto heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

Revisit substitutionaryatonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh yourmemory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw

I am not an atheist but Satanand Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notionthat we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.Scapegoating IOW.

In reality, if God did demandsuch a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it isimmoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. Youdo. Right?

Those with good morals willknow that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just toprove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticketto heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

If and when you say yes, youbecome his.

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The other option inscriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slackconcerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering tous-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come torepentance.

Scriptures indicate that Godprefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot bethwarted, this will come to pass.

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It is a special distortedChristian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, ---their God condemning them, and then turning anddemanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. Abribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insaneview of love, IMO.

Would you express your lovefor humanity or those you love by having your own child needlesslymurdered?

Or if convinced that asacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step upyourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Regards
DL

 

[methamaniac]

^^
You touched on a lot of issues.
Im not sure if you're wanting a reply or wanting to make statement. Either way.....
you kinda left the ballpark so I may be little out too.
All this is my opinion....
I do not speak for God , but of him. Based on what I interpret has been revealed to me.

First, love is a fruit of faith.
God chose/elected his elect before creation based on what your faith/love in him would be. What went on then,
have no idea. Cant "remember". Im stuck in this "timeframe's" point of view at the moment. Just know it wasnt a blind election...."God doesnt roll dice" and hopes he gets it right. ( pardon me for the borrow Eienstien)

Second, and again you're never going to be able to put God in a box no matter how much you try to squeeze him in there. You're only going to know what is revealed, and apply it with faith. You may find out your wrong about something. But you can still have faith you'll get it right in the end.

God isnt asking YOU to sacrafice a child.
If he ever does, you can discuss your concerns while you two are talking.

God requires something to cleanse sin.
He accepts a sinless sacrafice to "cancel" out sin. This is just how it works.
If you cant get past that, might as well throw in the towel as far as the rest of the bible is concerned imo.

It was God who made the sacrafice for us to be redeemed.
He didnt use anyone elses actual sacrafice
to complete his ultimate plan. He did it himself.
Dont understand how this was cowardly.

Third,
Imo, God is revealing a life story in the bible,
What has took place, what is taking place, and what will be taking place.
He uses what is going on at any given time to teach.
The phrophecy and symbolism in the OT is everywhere.
Even tho there are real things happening, he also reveals symbols/forshadowing as well.....


In old testament
Event- Abraham's story- God's plan/love
Abraham represents- Adam --including adams mistake/mans need for forgiveness/atonement
Isaac represents Jesus /sacrafice/resurrection/
begotton son
Ishmael represents satan in disguise/birth of sin/ deceit/need for redemption/disobedience(srry Ishmael)
the two men with abraham represent two men next to Jesus on cross-- the choice we are to make about sacrafice even tho like them we didnt take part in actual sacrafice/ You- your choice
the donkey abraham saddles plays himself in both stories
Its a short synopsis of Gods salvation plan.
It could be seen somerhing like this:

GODS plan is to use his love/Jesus/begotten son to defeat sin/disobedience/satan and atone us for salvation/redemption if we have faith to accept/allow him.


Lastly
Yes, you happen to be in story.
You have a choice in how you play out as odd as it may sound to you.
I would advisd you accept this ( my hope)
becareful testing God.
It's not your created story/plan
If you dont believe in any of this,
you can complain to nature for how your story turns out.
Either way, you're not writing her story either
Fruitless complaining either way
Ps.
If sacraficing my daughter would get her to heaven,
and I was asked by God to achieve this( key point)
I wouldnt put myself in her place. Why would I?