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So, we have a theology thread but what about the rest of us who are spiritualistic but not religious? I don't think in this day & age that the two are necessarily synonymous.

I have a belief that there is something greater going on that we cannot possibly understand at this point in time. There are so many unanswered questions about the origins of the Universe & things like the complexity of the human mind. Perhaps some satisfactory explanation will be discovered for fundamental questions like these but until then, I don't see why we shouldn't explore these questions from a spiritualistic standpoint.

I would certainly like to believe that there is something more than just the life we are aware of. The concept of there being nothing after death is something I can't come to terms with when approached pragmatically. The human mind is so complex... I truly believe that our consciousness must have some other source than our body or mind. I don't believe that it is something that can be discovered through enlightenment in this life. Perhaps this happens when we die but then again, I sort of like the idea of re-incarnation; the idea that our consciousness moves on & we begin a new life.

I'm really not sure where all this leaves me but it's something I would like to explore more.

Anyone have any similar or even differing views on spirituality?
 
parttime crackhead said:
Is it odd that, while being perfectly happy, I find the thought of there being nothing after death kind of comforting?
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Yeah me too. Well, maybe not comforting, but I feel bad for people who think this is all some kind of sick test.
 
I remember when you first linked that video, and the 2nd time for that matter. You can't link it enough times though...

It certainly raises an interesting concept, that we all originate from a fluke incident but was it a fluke? How can the creation of our Universe that itself was a fluke have led to living organisms that are as complex as us? It's almost like there are too many flukes...

The thing that really gets me is that everything must be created from something. So how did matter come to existence in the first place? I just don't know how to even start comprehending this. I guess spirituality, whether in the form of religion or not is our way of trying to understand things we cannot explain.
 
Chatative said:
Do you mean by that, that one life is enough?
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I guess so. It would be nice to think you get another shot at it, or you go off to some paradise in the clouds, but I really don't believe that. I believe that when you die you go back to where you were before you were born - nowhere. I'm quite happy with that.

I don't want to die or anything, but I'm certainly not scared of it. There's nothing to be scared of because by the time I'm dead I won't know what scared is, seeing as I'll be dead :)
 
I do think how amazing that fluke was, in fact I think it was so amazing that it wasn't a fluke. ;)

Science doesn't necessarily offer all the answers though. It could, it is in its infancy but we will never know ourselves. I'm not necessarily looking for an answer but rather trying to explore the possibilities & make *some* sense of it all. To rationalise it.

If science can offer a satisfactory answer however, then I will accept that.

parttime crackhead said:
I guess so. It would be nice to think you get another shot at it, or you go off to some paradise in the clouds, but I really don't believe that. I believe that when you die you go back to where you were before you were born - nowhere. I'm quite happy with that.

I don't want to die or anything, but I'm certainly not scared of it. There's nothing to be scared of because by the time I'm dead I won't know what scared is, seeing as I'll be dead :)
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Fair enough, nothing wrong with all that.

I'm certainly not scared of death, we all have our time. I might have trouble accepting death is the end from a practical standpoint but neither do I think there is something discernible after it necessarily.

I'm not entirely convinced we were nowhere before we were born. I don't want to sound like a broken record player, I've not really put a lot of thought or done much research on these sorts of things but it's hard to pin down consciousness itself & where it begins.
 
Bob Funkhouse said:
Thing is though don't get caught up in it cos it could drive you mad looking for answers that we can't know (there's too many explanations/science/theories).
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Very true.

I'm just exploring these avenues really. I'm satisfying my curiosity rather than desperately searching for an answer to the meaning of life etc.

It's just something interesting to think about. :)
 
The fluke of the universe existing as it does now isn't so unlikely when you've maybe got infinite universes to choose from - we'd only be able to ask this question in a universe that allowed us to be here to ask it (the anthropic principle). Though this sounds a little like a maths cheat that avoids something...

My usual have my cake and eat it metaphysics is: when you die you do just die, but there is also an 'afterlife' which is: every moment you were alive still exists eternally, interwoven with all other moments (and all future possible moments) as one big complex waveform called reality (or god, or nigel). The illusion of being a human is to think that time only happens one moment at a time, but really they all exist together forever (when viewed outside time).

Sometimes our consciousness can access this big timeless waveform when we're alive (meditation, ego death etc), or maybe even memory and imagination are ways of accessing it (getting flakier...), or we could even chuck in a bit of morphic resonance (he's lost it now...)
 
^ lol

Joking aside, I do find what you say fascinating.

Why are you happy to have no afterlife? Surely you should be thinking the opposite?


I feel there's so much more to life I'd like to experience, that I never will in this lifetime. So many people I'd like to see again, that have passed away. So many more adventures and experiences to potentially have...

Why are you happy with the idea that it ends completely with this one!?

Could you say you are delusional, is this a comforting excuse to help you cope with death?

Or is it something more complex going on, do you have any guilt you cannot wash away and you have a desire to end life?

Honestly, without trying to sound like a psychoanalytical prat... I'm very interested... as it's a very peculiar way to perceive death.
 
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Haha.

I don't have any desire to die. I'm pretty sure I said that. This life is plenty. It's good, but it's plenty. I don't need an after-life as I'm happy enough with life. Plus there's the simple fact that I don't believe in it, unlike some I'm not going to kid myself on, pretend to believe in things just because they seem nice.

The after-life is another arrogant human thought. We are nothing but a little speck on this planet, insignificant as fuck, certainly not significant enough to warrant a whole other world for us to run about in when we die.

If there ever was an after-life it would probably have been reserved for god's one true creation - dinosaurs. It will be full after that plan went tits up and he had to settle for us.



Edit - I hate to bring the G man into this, but as an aside, why did he wait millions upon millions of years before creating something "In his image"? If I'm believing any part of that, then god's a dinosaur.
 
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I really need to stop reading this thread. Far too early to be considering nihilism especially with an ever changing personal belief in an afterlife. Now twenty minutes in to a web link about Antifoundationalism and Nihilism. :?

Think this is something to give time to on my yearly trip..8o Maybe that would assist me to come to a solid conclusion..sigh.
 
the amount of people who are frightened that there is nothing after death reinforce my belief that humans invent gods and afterlives to comfort their fears.

“The amazing thing is that every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way they could get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.”
― Lawrence M. Krauss, A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing
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We come from nothing and return to nothing, living on only in the memories we leave behind
 
Well I will be physically returning not as nothing but as a very real inanimate? diamond yep. This link.

But what of the soul does that live on? Concept of soul if you believe in that..what happens to that when the coporeal is no more?

I am a might fucked..should probably just go and watch Emmerdale catch up as this is hurting head..:D
 
It's very hard trying to live spiritually in a material world. Many of my last mushroom trips were centered around this theme and I realised I couldn't do both, which is pretty much why I stopped using psychedelics and got a heroin habit instead - better to be anaesthetised than crazy.. (I don't half miss them though)
 
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