Fentanyl is the most dangerous drug you are ever likely to encounter. Do not cut corners; this can cause deaths. The best advice is not to use fentanyl. This thread is, on request, being produced for someone who has already decided that they are going to produce fentanyl solution for injection, so that person can be as responsible as possible. If you do choose to do this, there is no way to overstate how important hygeine and safety are:
You need to be really, really careful when you're working with pure fentanyls. As in, you need to wear a mask and gloves and goggles, and work in an easily cleaned and ventilated area, and wash your entire body and clothes immediately afterwards. It might seem OTT, but we are talking about drugs that are so potent that an invisible speck can kill a person. I'd even suggest prophylactically taking buprenorphine beforehand to prevent ODing, if opioid dependence/withdrawal doesn't preclude doing so, and with the understanding that such a precaution would not lessen the need for any of the other measures mentioned here. Fentanyl and its analogues are about as dangerous as recreational drugs get, as a look at the Shrine will confirm.
This is the request that was made:
Hey matey, making more magic fent potion tomorrow, problem is, was meant to be getting some sterile water for injections but theyv just let me know that i needa liscence to get it or something so the timings shite. I could so it very very slow with the 2ml vials, but i'm just wondering what is the risk of not using 100% sterile water for injetions when making a fent solution for IV / IM. All the other equipment is sterile (mostly)
(IM is the one im particularly worried about. IV is less risky when it comes to bacteria), also, it doesnt matter aboiut long term storange, it will be gone in a few days so no time for it to grow anything real nasty, would i be okay with boiling some water and using that? Or do i 100% NEED bateriostatic or however you spell it water for IM injections to stop infection/abbcess
Or (fingers crossed) am i being over-cautious and its really really unlikely unless im using muddy water to IM myself with?
Sorry for bothering you matey, just reckon you'll know and be right and will save precious forum space.
Sorry if thats a bit long-winded, im slighly intoxicated like, and yeah i will be putting ahs mask on, and being very very very careful with the fent hcl i'm making the solution
OK, well, here's a hierarchy for desirable water sources:
Unopened ampoule
The 'gold standard' for safety, an ampoule of water for injections means that the water used for dissolving the drugs isn't going to be the source of viral or bacterial infection.
Boiled water
Boiling water in a kettle will kill virtually all organisms, and using boiled water from a kettle is the advice to injectors who do not have an ampoule of water for injections.
Although it is true that to guarantee that even the most resistant pathogens are killed the water should be boiled for several minutes, in practice the additional benefits are few and advice to boil water in a pan is problematic because:
- the water takes time to cool, and could become contaminated during cooling;
- the pan or lid used to boil the water could be contaminated; and
- the advice is unlikely to be followed, and there is a risk that injectors will take the view that if they can't follow the advice, then they might as well not bother doing anything because they are taking a risk anyway.
Kitchen tap - cold water
The reason the poster differentiates the kitchen tap from other taps in the house is that the kitchen tap is usually fed from the rising main which, in the UK, is usually virutually or completely free from bacteria.
Water from bathroom taps may have been stored in a cold water tank in the roof where it can become much more contaminated with bacteria: not a problem if you're drinking it, the acid of the stomach is able to kill low levels of bacteria without a problem, but not so good if the water is being injected.
Bottled water
The constant advertising and marketing of bottled water has created a strong perception in the public psyche of it as a pure, safe source of water that is better than tap water.
Certainly in the UK it is open to debate whether this is true in terms of drinking water – the UK has a very good safety record for our drinking water which is pure and free from contamination. But for use as a liquid for dissolving drugs for injection, there is no debate: tap water is almost always better than bottled water because the bacteria count will be lower. The bacteria count in bottled water is much higher than in tap water, and varies according to the temperature at which it is stored, and can be very high if someone has drunk the water from the bottle.
This is not to say that the bacteria in bottled water are harmful if drunk – the acid in your stomach is perfectly well able to kill bacteria at these levels, however when injected intravenously, they can cause infections.
Distilled water
Distilled water is boiled and then condensed to ensure it is free of all minerals, and people could be excused for thinking that it might be sterile. However, the end use of distilled water is in machinary and there is no requirement for the water to be clean in terms of bacteria count. Indeed the condensing plates and bottling plants are often low tech, and dirty.
Hot water from a tap
The water in a domestic hot water tank is not hot enough to kill all bacteria. If the tank has been warmed and cooled, the bacteria count can grow.
OK man, so here we go. Yeah, sorry mate, you are not being over cautious at all, you absolutely must ensure anything going into a muscle is totally sterile and clean. In the thread before, FUBAR said this:
when IVing, a few bacteria can be tolerated because when in the bloodstream they are spread around the body where our immune systems can deal with them. However, IM injections are a totally different kettle of fish, because any bacteria present in the injection are deposited in one spot in the body where, if conditions are conducive, they can thrive and multiply until the colony is large enough to cause a potentially very harmful infection. This is why it is extremely important to have a sterile solution for IM injections
If you inject a contaminated shot into a muscle, you're introducing a culture to a substrate, and the risk for abscesses is huge. For IM, everything needs to be super, super clean. No, you can't use any non-sterile water, for IM injection, sorry. Sterile amps of saline solution (for use as like eyewash) are probably easier to find, and they're probably a pretty good option.
The problem, at any rate, is not just finding sterile water, but
keeping it sterile once it's opened. As I said, 1% benzyl alcohol would be best; most disease causing bacteria cannot survive in a solution of about 10% salt in water. I think saline is your best bet, err on the side of caution, use a 2:15 ratio to deter bacterial growth. You say it's not an issue, that you'll be using it so fast nothing will have a chance to grow. Some bacteria can reproduce every 20 minutes. So, in ideal conditions, your solution, if it had one single bacterium present, could potentially have two hundred and sixty-two thousand, one hundred and forty four bacteria in it after 5 hours. Believe me, you can't use it fast enough to beat them. It needs to be bacteriostatic.
As has been established, IV is more forgiving, but still, please, be cautious. I am not an expert, I am just trying to offer my knowledge to help you stay safe, I'm going to PM other people who will know more to ask them to comment and critique, please don't assume that anything I said in this thread is gospel. I hope it's a help.
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IM injection but absolutely need to take a long, hard look at the way I prep stuff cos it's too damn slapdash and hoping nobody will notice (this means you Mr Assorted common or garden infections). Gives me the willies even though I enjoy it. Far more so than IV ever did. The potential to fuck up really badly with IM is just so much more real.
