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    I'm considering trying this stuff in the next few weeks.



    Does anyone have experience with escaline? How similar is it to mescaline? I love mescaline, but it's such a pain to extract. I would love to find something similar that's easier to acquire.

    The very few experience reports (here and here) that I've been able to find sound promising. They both seem to hint at its comparatively mild nature, but mescaline is also pretty mild at low doses. The only thing that troubles me is the body load. TMA-2 was also pretty similar to mescaline for me, except that it was milder and caused this nasty joint tension and pain. 2C-T-2, was also pretty close to mescaline, which might bode well for escaline ... ?
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    The pihkal entry doesn't make me want to try it tbh. Sounds heavy on the body.

    DOSAGE: 40 - 60 mg.

    DURATION: 8 - 12 h.

    QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 40 mg) This is a powerful and complex intoxicant--I could not have coordinated any rational muscular activity. I could not walk; I could not tie my shoe-laces. There is analgesia and an incoordination that I cannot shake. My menstrual flow started a bit ahead of time, but it was light.

    (with 50 mg) I felt that the body tensions outweighed the psychological and sensory rewards, in that I had a lot of dehydration and my sleep had a nightmare quality. This pretty much offset the few virtues that I felt I had obtained.

    (with 60 mg) There is a quality of rational analysis and insight that is totally impressive. Many subtle factors in my life can be viewed with insight, and usefully dissected. I got into a deep discussion, but I was not argumentative or even defensive and I remained detached and kept a tone of cool impersonality. I had a good appetite. But I also had some tachycardia and muscular tension. There was unquestionable sensory enhancement, but without an intellectual component. Overall it was most pleasant.
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    Interesting, I was just about to make a thread on this for the same reason. I will most likely pick some up when my source offers it around the holidays. I'll be sure to report in once I try it, but I can't say for certain how soon that will be. Anyone else have anything they can chime in with here?
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    I tried 3C-E , 3C-P , Proscaline , TMA , TMA-6 , TMA-2 with analogue/homologue of Mescaline .
    3C-P at this moment is my favourite homologue of mescaline , very deeply and empathogen ( something like combo Mescaline + MDMA ) ( Max dose 45 mg)
    3C-E is very interesting compound something between LSD/Mescaline ( 50 mg) so I belive that Escaline can be very interesting substance. For few days I am going take 60 mg and I will let you know when I finish research,
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    I'm also quite interested, with at least some prospect to actually try this. Small & Handifying this thread considering I searched for escaline earlier and we seem to be missing data and discussion on it.
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    So 3C-P could be the more promising chemical of the two?
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    i just recently bought a gram of escaline hcl and im wondering whats the best way to ingest and how much. Ive heard plugging is best but i hve no idea how to do so. i want to venture into the rabbit hole so to speak so please help.an has any1 mixed 25i nbome and escaline?just to be clear its escaline not mescaline
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    Yes, plugging it will be quite effective, as with any drug. I would avoid mixing it with 25I, especially because they are both so new and you've not done escaline before. There should be no need.

    Try googling, as shulgin has a good report on escaline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagott View Post
    troll

    come again. Yawn.
    Damn, what the fuck is your problem? Get out of here; I see nothing in his post whatsoever that is indicative of trollish behaviour, and his post contains nothing offensive or annoying. It is his first post on this board and he is greeted with a piece of nasty shit like this? All he is asking is what dose of a particular compound to start with, and to find out if anyone has combo'd it with another psychedelic.

    @acousticman420: Welcome to Bluelight! Please ignore the crabby comments of certain posters.

    Plugging it should work well, but because this is such a new compound, you will be one of the first to explore that territory. Start with a dose about 3x lower than an oral dose just in case. Plugged doses of phenethylamines are often about twice if not more potent than oral doses. Take a look at the Pihkal page on escaline and work out your doses from there; 40mg is the lowest dose there, so I would try no more than 15mg up the ass first just to get a feel for how potent it might be.

    Don't combine it with anything on your first time out. Always get to know compounds on their own first before you consider a combo.

    Good luck!
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    thx i think im going to go with 15mg and compare to 15 mescaline hcl and report back.i have another question can escaline be smoked?and if so could i put it on damiana leaf with what ever the best solvent is im geusing acetone.what would be the best ratio ecaline to 1oz. of damiana.oh and fagott remember Anger is only one letter away from Danger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagott View Post
    yes, sorry. it was a bit rash of me. And if I'm wrong I sincerily apologize.


    But seriously, I think he's pulling your leg. I'm not buying that post, it's just too far out. And one post? yeah right.

    I think it's Oldflattop trying to prove a point.
    There are a few mescaline analogs out now and his post is not bullshit whatsoever, try doing some research before calling bullshit.

    OP I should be able to research this soon as well, I wouldn't combine with 25i until you know how Escaline effects you.

    http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95734 here is a report describing somebody going up to what they believe was 100mgs and having a good time, I would start lower around 50mgs though because the very few reports around are around that range.
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    Any time ago I tried 60 mg . The experience was quite similar to 350 mg of mescaline ( headspace and bodyfeeling) . Very interesting compound . I think that full potency of this substance will be approx 100 mg . Next time I will try in other s&s because first time was on psytrance event and in my opinion Mescaline like their homologues has full potency when are taken for a day. Btw this class od compounds looks very safe in dosage , I know person who took 300 mg 3C-P intranasally.
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    Psykap, did you find the sense of well-being and peace ("all is well with the world, everything is as it should be") with escaline? That's all I look for anymore, and is my favorite part of mescaline. If you didn't find it in escaline, was it there in 3C-P?
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    whew hoo just finished school for the week and have 1g of escaline sitting right beside me. Going to try 60mg in about now, can't wait, it's been a long time since i've tripped properly (other than vaping 5-meo-dalt).

    i just took 60mg in a cap and 10mg sublingual, time to turn off skype and get weird for the night!


    Any one explore other ROA with this? vape/plug/insufflated? If no one else has i'll be the guineau pig for the vape department and possibly the plugging. i imagine by the taste that this stuff will hurt the nose much like a 2c would, though it is less bitter in taste.

    edit: god this stuff takes forever to kick in, just starting to kick after smoking a joint of hash oil. No nausea yet, took some immodium to avoid the inevitable shits that come from PEAs. Will write a TR tomorrow. definitely starting to hit at +2 hours, feels like a 2c but unique so far anyway, time to wait for the peak, music enhance is already here.

    update at +4 hours: holy shit i am high, this is like mescaline but much more smooth and no nausea. The visuals are unique for sure, not like mescaline, not like 2c-x or nbome. This is a great substance IMO, completely lucid (well mostly), tripping mind state and visuals (visuals remind me of 25i kind of, in that can't see everything is moving kind of way).

    update at +8 hours - still going strong, very strong +++, very smooth, no jitters, no anxiety, bit of rushing here and there though. I think this is a fucking amazing substance, it will not be going away any time soon i bet.
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    Sounds good RobotRipping, very interesting. This has just come available in limited quantities it seems from a vendor I use just these last few weeks, hoping they still have stock of it come pay-day. Missed out on samples of NBOMe-Mesc in the past, still not found a good source for Allylescaline, the Peruvian Torch I boiled up didn't get anywhere near a trip so fingers crossed I don't miss out again. Seems to have appeared from nowhere this, not even heard of it before mid-December but suddenly available widely it would seem? Hope that bodes well for future stocks. Compared to 25x-NBOMes and 4-AcO-DMT it looks pricey at the minute if 100mg-ish is a full dose but well worth it for novelty value by the looks of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobotRipping View Post
    well i seriously doubt you will not get a ++++ experience from 100mg of escaline. It's like saying 100mg of DMT smoked properly will not give you a ++++, it most certainly will. I agree it's not dose dependent and not to shoot for a 100mg dose. ++++ are usually too intense anyway, a strong +++ is what you should aim for. If it happens to end up being more then that's great.
    Sounds like you found a gem How was your tolerance before you did the 60mg +10mg trip? If you could share the times for onset, coming up and plateau at that does it would be nice to know. Good to read that there is no nausea
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    anyone that tried that so far care to share some insights on the come up. i'm particular interested in the bodyload with different ROAs and how it compares to for instance 2C-E/P nasal which have very nasty, shakey and uneasy comeups for most people.
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    the come up isn't rough at all, very smooth IMO (i take etizolam too though so it may be worse than i think). I'd say the come up is comparable to 2c-i, or more closely 25i-nbome, except it takes at least 2 hours for it to kick in. I had no psych tolerance when i took my 70mg dose last night, i just took 60mg like half an hour ago so i'll be able to tell you guys how bad this one is for tolerance. WIth most 2c-x drugs i could trip 3 nights in a row before things got pointless and the nbomes well sometimes id be able to do 2 nights in a row with the second night having a double dose.

    The come up is much easier than 2c-e/p, i think 2c-e has one of the worst come ups, especially nasally. I am reluctant to snort a line of escaline after hurting my nose recently by snorting 4-emc. If it hurts anything like 2c-e does then i won't bother, i'm waiting for someone else to give it a shot first

    Vaporizing has no come up really, just hits in you in a couple of minutes which is weird, i don't think that ROA is worthwhile at all though as there's no rush and it's not intense whatsoever, the effects being far less than an oral dose. I tried plugging 30mg but i think something went wrong as i fell asleep an hour later with no effects other than a sore bum. I don't think i got it all the way in there. I dunno maybe escaline is a pro drug for something else, i've never vaped a psych and not had a rush.

    i also have some methylone on hand and will likely combine 100mg if i feel the 60mg tonight wasn't enough. I think it's a safe combo but there are so few reports on escaline that this is all just guess work. I don't like to be the guinea pig but escaline feels safe to me (then again so did 25i-nbome).

    Something to note: the day after the trip, i slept for 14 hours, could not get up whatsoever. I haven't eaten much in the last 2 days, other than that i feel fine now and ready to trip again. I have stuff to do tomorrow so hopefully i don't end up sleeping the whole day again.
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    Escaline is just like mescaline, but than without the M for Magic...

    What I try to say is that this compound is definitely a psychedelic, it is definitely a nice and interesting compound, but it is nothing special.

    I tried about 55 mg of this compound, which produced a nice psychedelic experience without any visual aspects. Which in itself can be really valuable, but I guess I was kinda expecting a little of the magic that mescaline has, but unfortunately, there was none.

    In general, I don't think it really felt like a 'classic' phenethylamine (like, mescaline or 2C-B etc..), but more like it is in a class of it's own.

    The beginning of the experience was dominated by a heavy, but most enjoyable body-load. After ±4 h there was a sudden burst of energy, not like you're on a stimulant, but just the inability to sit still. In total the whole experience lasted about 10-11 h. The next trail is probably gonna be around 65-70 mg. I think the previously mentioned 100 mg would be to much in terms of body-load.
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    I'd like to try this one, just for curiosity's sake.

    I found the alpha methylated version, 3C-E, to be the least worthwhile psychedelic I've tried since 4-aco-dipt.

    Horrible bodyload load and side-effects coupled with very little psychedelia. I only took 40 mg, might try it again at 60 mg, if it just hadn't given me some bruxism in the end.
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    It's possible that 50-55mg is threshold with a sudden curve into magic territory at 60-70mg. Someone should do trials at 60mg and 75mg to see what they entail.

    Already we have a few reports on 55mg, 60+10(70)mg, and the other sparse reports scattered around, one that showed threshold effects at 50mg and this thread over on another forum about a '100mg' dose which didn't seem ego shattering, but rather enjoyable, a full trip. He's not precise on the dose he took, but it might have been less.

    http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95734
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    50mg tested. Although mescaline has never been tried here, escaline had characteristics so similar to it's description that I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two if told they had mescaline instead.

    Amount: 50mg
    ROA: Oral (with 500mg antacid tablet of Calcium Carbonate)
    Duration: ~12 hours; 2-3 hours come-up, 8 hour peak, 4 hours comedown

    Effects noted:
    -Increased laughter/humor
    -Increased appreciation for the world
    -No jaw clenching
    -Serenity/feeling of peace
    -Fluid control of physical and mental self
    -Anxiety free/no stress
    -Increased color contrast empathetic towards a a dark and rich color palette
    -Emphasis of patterns in the real world
    -No body load/extremely minimal physical unease
    -Some nausea for the first two hours but the remainder of the experience was non-nauseating
    -Increased awareness of others and self
    -Euphoria
    -Increased understanding
    -Feeling of being part of a whole
    -Slight muscle relaxation
    -Slight drunken feeling

    This is a compound that is definitely a keeper. The experience overall was very beautiful and my vision was so enhanced to the point that everything looked majestic. The majority of the day was spent smiling and laughing with friends in the most jovial mood. Nothing was annoying or bothersome and everyone was very easy to be around. Walking around a nature trail was completely fantastic to see nature at work, it was one of the best parts of the experience. Experience was rated a high ++. 100mg is the next trial and it seems like that is where a +++ experience will undoubtedly happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fagott View Post
    Sorry, but how can you say that when you haven't tried mescaline?

    Nice you had a good trip though.
    Based on the description of effects given for mescaline experiences, the symptoms and effects pair so well with escaline that I would easily confuse which one is being described if a blind or double-blind experiment were to be done.
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    ^^ but MMPA, your description fits most psychedelics. The effects you describe is what psychedelics do.

    a blind or double-blind experiment? You mean you couldn't see the difference between your own report of escaline and other people's reports of mescaline.
    I don't agree, I haven't felt those specific collective effects on a single psychedelic. DOC always provides jaw clenching, aMT is not serene for me, 2-CE always has an intense body load, and so on. I am pretty sure the collective effects I listed do not apply to all psychedelics since each psychedelic has it's own characteristic. Ultimately, I will leave it at that. If you would like to try escaline and agree or disagree, then I welcome that but I'm not going to modify the list of effects of what was felt.

    And yes, if I gave someone the effect list/report provided for escaline and the effect list/report of mescaline at an equipotent dosage, it would probably be difficult for someone to easily discriminate between the two without scrutinizing each report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMPA View Post
    I don't agree, I haven't felt those specific collective effects on a single psychedelic. DOC always provides jaw clenching, aMT is not serene for me, 2-CE always has an intense body load, and so on. I am pretty sure the collective effects I listed do not apply to all psychedelics since each psychedelic has it's own characteristic. Ultimately, I will leave it at that. If you would like to try escaline and agree or disagree, then I welcome that but I'm not going to modify the list of effects of what was felt.

    And yes, if I gave someone the effect list/report provided for escaline and the effect list/report of mescaline at an equipotent dosage, it would probably be difficult for someone to easily discriminate between the two without scrutinizing each report.
    I feel that the psychedelic experience is very similar no matter what drug is taken. "You know, they all do sort of the same thing, rearrange what you thought was real." I believe Tim Leary said it. There's obvious differences in timeline, body load, or visual aspects. But, by just reading trip reports, you can't really tell how close one experience is to another. By just reading reports on DOC I thought it would be very close to LSD. Boy was I wrong.

    On another note, escaline has me interested. Can anyone give me a proper timeline for it?
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