Open Discussion Stamp Thread in the North & South American Social & Drug Discussion Section

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Another thing is most of the time dope dealers don't do their bags and unless you call em back like "that was some bullshit" they assume it's straight. Half the time my one boy first gets on he don't even unwrap any of em so when he gives it to me it's still wrapped in the porno mag and I/he have no clue of the stamp name, until I unwrap it and proceed to run thru a couple right quick haha. Now if I had read on here from Unbreakable that he got some fire bags of the same name, I might be like damn you know what dude on bluelight said these was a 8 I better just do one and see what it's hittin for, instead of in a "fiend state of mind" bein like awww 4 bags aint shit, I do 4 bags before I roll out of bed in the mornin cuz.

I mean it's fucked up but I know dudes who will cop not knowin shit about the bags and be like "test shot? what the fuck is that?" and proceed to bang a half a bun, but if they know it's fire they'll do 1 or 2 and see how it is.

Edit: Fuck i keep noddin out and people keep sayin the same shit as I intend to say (If we had a stamp thread y'all would know the fire I just copped haha).

Anyways, sometimes if you test bad dope, that shit can fuck you up. It doesn't necessarily mean it's just less pure, there could be some fucked up shit in it (like that chi-town shit with niacin). There could be all kinds of shit in it. And it's like we have the dangerous/bad stamp thread but the last post is old as fuck and I know all the junkies here (my self included) have had some bullshit since the last post of that thread they wish they coulda let other people know not to fuck with, but for whatever reason none of us send it to the mods for that thread. So it can work both ways, and if somebody had a fire bag on Friday and it was bullshit Saturday they can come on here and say "Aw those bags are bullshit now" and they'll probably be bullshit for a while.
 
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How many people Shoot MDMA into there body? Not many, How many people shoot heroin into there body? A shit load.

Wouldn't it be harm reduction to inform users of shitty heroin or unsafe heroin.... Its not so safe injecting cuts and such into the body...
 
I mean it's fucked up but I know dudes who will cop not knowin shit about the bags and be like "test shot? what the fuck is that?" and proceed to bang a half a bun, but if they know it's fire they'll do 1 or 2 and see how it is.
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^There is no reason why this can't be done every time.
Wouldn't it be harm reduction to inform users of shitty heroin or unsafe heroin.... Its not so safe injecting cuts and such into the body...
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If you aren't using proper technique that would reduce the cuts regardless of how much there are, then you are going to be shooting a lot of cut regardless of how strong the dope is.
 
amapola said:
Perhaps a stamp thread saves users money, but does it somehow protect them from something that just testing a small amount of a batch first doesn't do?

PillReports would be rendered useless if everyone tested their pills except for saving money as well. It's just a hell of a lot easier to test dope than pills as no special equipment is needed.

If this was a proposal for a warning system to announce when H is cut with fent etc. then it would be a good idea. If there is also going to be reports of bunk heroin where the only advantage is people not buying it to save money and perhaps take a lot of it because they heard bad things then there is no benefit that I can see.

A bad pill leaves you tripping out with a pounding heart and other dangerous effects, bad dope leaves you dissatisfied and wanting more.
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We have the "Warning, dangerous Stamp" stickie in DC, but it hasn't been posted in forever, and people stopped coming to check it out.

Bad dope leaves a ton of unknown stuff floating around in your system... The same dangers as shooting pills with a ton of fillers in it. Now take a look at the case studies, and tell me if you still think that bad e pills are worse on you than shooting %95 mystery product.

It would be ideal for everyone to do a test shot, but when some people are violently dope sick, they tend to not care.
 
^Yeah like I said in my above edit, bad dope can really fuck you up. And like he said it's ideal for everyone to do a test shot, but it'd be ideal for everybody to test their pills.

When you're fuckin pukin/shittin/shakin and just want to die, and all of a sudden you got that bag of magic in your hand and your used to the say 60% sure shit you got all week that took 3 bags to get high and now you get this 85% shit and you do 3 bags, it could kill you. Or if you get 3 bags of 1% dope and whatever else, it could kill you. It's easy to say "everybody should do a test shot first" But the sickness will make you a different fuckin person.
 
When you're fuckin pukin/shittin/shakin and just want to die, and all of a sudden you got that bag of magic in your hand and your used to the say 60% sure shit you got all week that took 3 bags to get high and now you get this 85% shit and you do 3 bags, it could kill you. Or if you get 3 bags of 1% dope and whatever else, it could kill you. It's easy to say "everybody should do a test shot first" But the sickness will make you a different fuckin person.
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Okay. But if this guy reads online that his dope is weak and quickly does the three bags and it's strong; he's dead :\ The advantages would have to outweigh the risk of this occurring and the morality behind not preventing a death versus causing one is pretty heavy stuff.
 
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Okay. But if this guy reads online that his dope is weak and quickly does the three bags and it's strong; he's dead :\ The advantages would have to outweigh the risk of this occurring and the morality behind not preventing a death versus causing one is pretty heavy stuff.
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What about the kid that does one bag and dies? Harm reduction is about informing people about a substance. It is up to the user to try to be as safe as possible and a stamp thread would help people be informed. What about the people who read pill reports and it says the pill is weak and they take 4 or so and die... does that out weigh the harm reduction of the site? :\
 
I would say that most people do their average shot. If they hear it is stronger they will do less. Not many people will double their dose on stuff they heard is crap, but will rather avoid it. With the open market in these cities, you have that option.
 
But what I don't understand is why the stamp thread had 3,000 or so posts if it was hurting people? I mean I see where your coming from, but 99% of the time (yes it does happen, but I don't think it's ever happened to me) you get a shitty bag then it comes back out as fire. Usually when there's a shitty bag fiends avoid it like the plague, and the dudes puttin the stamps out know that, so they'll make a new stamp when the work gets better.

And again my question is, what about the pills? I understand that 99% of the time the pills aren't reproduced, but what about that one time? What if somebody read on here some pills were only ok, and the pills got reproduced into some fire, and some guy took his normal dose of the ok ones?

Edit: God damn I ain't tryin to be on nobodys dick or nothin haha but we all definitely thinkin the same. I keep noddin out in my post and by the time I post it somebody said the same exact shit.

Uh and I meant to say you get a shitty bag then it don't come back out as fire.
 
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It is against my nature to argue against access to more information on a subject. It would indeed be an extremely helpful tool for anybody smart enough to recognize it for what it is and use it responsibly. However by Bluelight endorsing it we are giving it some legitimacy and if the information presented is incorrect often enough then it shouldn't be there.

Whenever dosing questions of unknown substances are asked on Bluelight, the party line is start small and work your way up. How can we then also have a thread which says "unless it has a stamp of Shamrock on the front in which case it's average so take your usual amount?"
 
What about it having 3,000 posts before? It's not like this is some new crazy idea. Obviously it had a good bit of legitimacy to last as long as it did before. I think part of the reason the mods shut it down was because it was becoming to much work to "police" and that would be resolved with the approval of posts. And johnnyblue already said he was down...and I'm guessing (hoping) altek would feel the same.

and again it's the same thing as pills. It can be reproduced, it has been reproduced, it will be reproduced, but almost always it's not. Does sayin a pill is weak not give the same message as sayin a stamp is?
 
Stamp thread is not telling people how much to take, all its doing is providing information through a peer system. A peer system is better than no system, harm reduction is the main goal after all isn't it?
 
It is better for us. For people who will use it responsibly as a tool. It is not better for people who put their faith in it.
 
Nobody is putting absolute faith in it, but it helps. It's a hard game and any help we can get, we'll take. Again, it went to 3,000 posts before it obviously didn't cause to much harm or it woulda got shut down a lot earlier.
 
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You are very right, and it is good to mod that way in Other Drugs. That is one of, if not the main harm reduction forums. But take a gander into BDD, and DC, and try to say they are the same way... They are not. The more social forums are here to keep veteran HR advocates around, as they get bored with OD.

In any thread in OD, BDD, etc, the first 3 posters may give bad advice, and hopefully the OP waits around for enough responses for educated people to respond. In the same way, if a stamp is rated low, usually withen a few hours, someone comes on with a revised rating, or calls out the person rating it low.

This is essentially a "we know that you are going to do this drug reguardless of what we say, so we are trying to inform you on the safest way to possibly take it" forum. There is a rating system, a disclaimer, and the knowledge of the user... Hopefully they use all 3 to the best of their ability.

Also, some needle exchanges have stamp ratings for HR. If needle exchanges don't scream harm reduction, than I don't know what does.
 
I mean, we have had an independent board practically since this site's stamp thread closed...however the participants have been very limited. and at the rate of new stamps flowing makes it impossible to keep track of all of them.

However, the stamp thread is a vital resource for harm reductiion, u will have 2-3 weeks of pure shit going around, so you are bangin 10 bags at a time just to keep off from being sick.

then suddenly a new stamp comes around, and u assume oh i have to do my normal dose...10 bag of something good can actually kill a person.

And the way Paterson has been putting garbage, and suddenly some super strong shit out of nowhere, it is highly likely scenario to OD and die.

The stamp thread would help prevent that scenario. When you see a rating, you can judge about how many you should do at one time based on the quality rating. no1 does test bags because that would be considered a waste of a rush to those who bang it.

So I would really appreciate if bluelight somehow finds a way to reopen the stamp thread.
 
I know I would definitely find it interesting on a personal level, and the majority of users would merely have another tool at their disposal to gain as much information as possible.

That being said it is redundant in that you should be checking your dope every time regardless of what the internet says, and if Bluelight says it is good or bad it indirectly supports people in not checking.

Do any of the you out there who practice 'safe' dope habits think you will get your new product, look it up on Bluelight, and then not start small? I sincerely hope not. Those who usually try and dose safely but aren't in a logical state of mind may very well just take Bluelight's word on the situation instead of testing it.

If we want to have a thread on stamps for interest sake and in the spirit of free information then that is fine, but saying it is going it is going to be promoting harm reduction is incorrect.

The only way I can see it preventing harm is if a user who is usually unwilling to test his drugs hears on Bluelight that it is bunk or really strong and therefore checks it (as they should have originally). Would we not get the same effect by a flashing red sign saying 'check your dope everytime'?

If we are going to expect that any people are not going to check and will just trust Bluelight instead, we are merely going to get lucky or unlucky depending on if their stamp bag happens to contain the same drugs that have been tested and evaluated. No amount of good user feedback can change that.

At the top of the thread it will say something like "here's what we think...but always check anyways". What then is the point of saying what we think? The point is for social interest and information and that is fine if it is what we want.

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When you see a rating, you can judge about how many you should do at one time based on the quality rating. no1 does test bags because that would be considered a waste of a rush to those who bang it.
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The poster above is exactly why the thread should not exist. In order to minimize harm to the people who refuse to check their dope, we are going to role the dice and hope that we get it right often enough that the few lucky ones who are saved are not outweighed by the unlucky ones who are killed in addition to those who would have checked but didn't.
 
^ So are we saying "let them die if they are too lazy to do a test shot?"

The fact of the matter is, people are going to still usually do their average bag shot. This thread may help them decide to lower the dose if something is reported as being very strong. I would still think that people would not do that much (if any) more if they hear it may be weak.
 
^ So are we saying "let them die if they are too lazy to do a test shot?"
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No. We are saying presenting unverifiable information to people who are too lazy to do a test shot will give them false confidence in how strong their drug is.

The fact of the matter is, people are going to still usually do their average bag shot. This thread may help them decide to lower the dose if something is reported as being very strong. I would still think that people would not do that much (if any) more if they hear it may be weak.
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But they might not test it when they would have before.

If we want to revamp the warning thread such that we only allow notices on notably stronger than usual stamps and generally (not stamp specific) weak heroin in a certain area along with relatively stronger stamps coming into that area, perhaps it could work. There should be no situation where a stamp is listed as weak or average though.
 
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