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The implications of sexual cannibalism *NSFW*

I don't know if these people genuinely enjoy that sort of thing or if they just completely lack empathy and don't have any real emotions, so they have to do these things to "feel something".

I also don't get the "three guys and a hammer" stuff either. Where some douchebag teenagers ran around beating homeless and old people to death with a hammer and documented it all on video tape as if to brag about how fun it is.
 
Well, the title of the thread might be repelling discussion.
For strictly discussing pedophilia, this thread would probably receive a better response if the topic title was "Implications of pedophilia in human sexuality" instead of "implications of sexual cannibalism"..

Also, your idea of a "reaction" seems to require having someone give a negative response (more specifically, an arrogant response seems to be what most of you are anticipating). You should consider the possibility that:

1) Everyone agrees, and a negative response would only be given due to a social stigma -- however, the nature of intelligent discussions is such that social stigmas are with-held by participants for the purpose of advancement in common knowledge (given that this discussion has so-far been of an intelligent nature).

2) A thread entitled "implications of sexual cannibalism *NSFW*" is going to deter any negative feedback, since in their minds they have inferred that negative feedback is going to be inherent in such a topic, and their involvement would be unnecessary. It could also be that the thread title is only going to draw in two/three crowds of people:

A - Those who are -by a sexual nature- curious/interested in the topic being discussed.

B - Those who are interested in the legitimate psychological analysis of the topic being discussed -- who could possibly fit into the first category as well, OR they still fail to produce negative feedback given that they are providing an opinion through a scientific lens.

This illustrates one of the largest paradoxes impeding psychological research. I believe someone in an earlier post had accurately mentioned that this topic is demonstrating a "spiral of silence".
This is also why modern psychological problems & phenomenon are difficult for people to just "sit down and discuss with one another in order to reach a conclusion" -- because the setting of the debate is innately prone to predetermine the outcome of the debate.

Furthermore, when one tries to go solo to find a solution (presumably by making deductions to find a logical conclusion while maintaining an unbiased scope of the issue), they stumble across the existence of "cognitive parallels" in their mind. These 'parallels' are barriers which are inadvertently formed as a result of "archetypes" within the collective unconscious. These "archetypes" (which are the cognitive tools used for calculating dilemmas in any social conflict) are found the same in every person, and their existence is stored genetically.

Why do the archetypes form barriers? First and foremost, because all social systemization is subjective (in that it varies depending on the environment) - causing moral codes to contradict each other when viewed at from a larger scale (or what could be considered a metaphorical "bird's eye view"). Second of all, evolution could not grant us a complete set of genetic moral guidelines because we are still in the process of forming it.
We are still evolving as living creatures, and we are still exploring the boundaries of our chaotic and constantly-fluctuating environment.

Jung described his frustration with the existence of 'cognitive parallels' as being "suspended within the waters of the collective unconscious; with no sense of direction or gravity".

A great amount of modern artwork (particularily in film and music) is Jungian influenced, and references to the "waters of the collective unconscious" are numerous.
Here are some of my more favorite examples:
- Stanley Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange", in which the protagonist Alex mentions that his obsession with sex & violence is like "silvery wine flowing in a space ship - gravity all non-sense now"
- The song "Otherside" by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, which illustates (in the video especially) the downward spiral of cognitive dissonance resulting from trying to find the solution to a broken heart.
- The song "The Grudge" by Tool, which describes cognitive dissonance (the cyclical reverberation between cognitive parallels) as either "Lifting you up like a child" or "Dragging you down like a stone [in the waters of the collective unconscious]"
- Any references to "overcoming gravity" or "supermen" are almost always alluding to the same phenomenon.

Most importantly, the existence of archetypes within the collective unconscious implies that human society is within (or near) an equilibrium - in which every type of person plays a vital role in the maintenance of all, and one type of individual can not be specifically discriminated against with 100% confidence.

So what does all of this imply? Moral clarity has to be gained through experience - and a person is never 100% at fault for what they do, they are just more/less experienced.

Some examples of cognitive parallels are as follows:

The outcome of moral calculations will ultimately boil down to unrelated & temporary factors such as:
- A person's current mood while making the calculation
- The setting in which the calculation is being made

The perceived "long-term psychological damage" resulting from prepubescent sexual activity ONLY exists because it is perpetuated by those who expect its existence. When incidences of prebuscent sexual activity occur, the psychological damage upon the child is inflicted not by the sexual perpetrator, but by the shock they experience when they find out that such activities are considered "taboo" by society. I.e., the very act of making a big deal out of pedophilia is what's making a big deal out of it. Similar to a "self-fulfilling prophecy". In some pacific tribes, pedophilia is not only accepted but ritually practiced between prepubescents and tribal elders - with seemingly no negative adverse reactions whatsoever.

It is immoral to "lie, cheat, kill, and steal", even though all life is seemingly a matter of lying, cheating, and stealing. Doesn't the venus fly trap lie to insects in order to trick them into entering its digestive system? Doesn't a hunter lie and cheat while wearing camoflauge and using animal calls to hunt more efficiently?

Don't corporations lie, cheat, and steal when using advertisement tactics to manipulate people into buying their products?

Contradictingly so - this grand universal exchange of "lying, cheating, killing, and stealing" is what is keeping the world go around as smoothly as it is. It has not so far been possible in human history for "interpersonal exchange" to exist solely for mutual benefit, because people end up banding together and viewing other bands of people as enemies in order to keep people motivated.

PS, it is perhaps the Most Important to recognize at all times that, when presuming the persona of anonymity (i.e., on an internet forum), your own hostility will be your greatest enemy. If you sincerely want to change traditional moral standards, then formulating your "plans" out of mutual compassion is the only way to successfully go about doing it. Forming them out of aggression or hostility is going to paradoxically push society backwards in progress - as interpretters will begin associating your beliefs with your hostile attitude.

Also, note that "not being hostile" doesn't mean you shouldn't be assertive. You still have to keep motivational reserves for the purpose of self-defense. If accusations are rooted in fallacies, then they can be undone and exposed through communicating your intellectual observations. But don't exploit that ability either.
Thank you for your response. I'm sorry I didn't post back sooner. It had been a long time since any responses were made to this thread and so I assumed it had sunk off the page.

My intention in taunting people to respond with the "Wow bluelight..." comment wasn't to be adversarial, I just thought it's a fascinating topic that deserves to be discussed more than it has been. Even a aversive post reply would at least keep it alive and possibly open up new avenues of discussion. The NSFW part of the title wasn't added by me (I think a moderator added it).

The reason I brought up pedophilia and these tests is because I'm interested in whether or not it can be partially explained by placing it in the context of sexual sadism, which I've argued has cannibalism at its most extreme expression.

Again, the reason I think pedophilia might be sadistic in nature, and why it's part of this thread (whether or not acting on it causes harm due to the way society perceives it or not), is because of the perceived nature of children as vulnerable. If sadism is about making the perpetrator feel powerful, then preying on the small, physically and emotionally weak, and easily manipulatable is an attractive prospect, as doing so can satisfy those desires through magnifying the differences in power dynamics during sex. Amputee fetishism might also be further understood though this interpretation.

EDIT: I've done a little more research guided by this supposition and, in addition to the BDSM torture and blood porn I had already heard of, discovered a genre of illustrated Japanese porn called "goru," defined in the Urban Dictionary as "Sick, Twisted Hentai usually involving death, dismemberment or anything else sickening". I've read it sometimes involves illustrations of the sexual torture and dismemberment of children. Nothing about cannibalism yet though. I'm also not sure whether the audience for this genre is attracted to it for sexual purposes or whether its just a morbid fascination. In any case, it looks like it's popular enough to support the work of a number of "artists".

A long time ago a remember hearing about a genre of porn called "crush". Again, the Urban Dictionary's definition: "Any variety of pornography in which images of items being crushed under the feet of women or men is the main draw. Crushings may be of a stomping, violent nature. Often, items include male genetalia, and small rodents and insects. Crush has been tied to S&M, BDSM and the foot fetish. Female participants in Crush often wear stiletto heels, or the foot may otherwise be glamorized. Either participant can achieve gratification from a Crush, depending on one's interests." Here again, the murder of the small and vulnerable (tiny rodents) is tied to sexual gratification.

This illustrates one of the largest paradoxes impeding psychological research. I believe someone in an earlier post had accurately mentioned that this topic is demonstrating a "spiral of silence".
That "someone" is me.
 
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I didn't read all of this thread, but seems like too too many words... honestly the connection seems obvious to me... Sex is Killing is Eating... duh... the black widow eats her lover after mating... sexual fire consumes you... Life is Sex, Death is Life, Eating is Death and Life... I just wanna eat you up! my girl baby is DELICIOUS... I will EAT her... out :p... still same difference... give and take... a snake eating its own tail...
 
Sex is Killing is Eating... duh...
Really? "Duh" is what you're going with? How old are you? If this thread is too much for you to read then you don't have the self discipline it takes to profit from its interpretations. Also, you are over generalizing.
 
Just to keep some discussion going I'lll toss out some broad and generalized comments. I just want to point out at least one other case where there seems to have been some kind of quazi-sexual cannibalistic urge unleashed, the murder of Ynisha Ysais by Antron Singleton aka rapper Big Lurch. It was said that after murdering Ynisha Antron ate pieces of her lungs, which had been removed from her body, as well as bite marks on her face and chest. He and Ynisha's boyfriend had spent the previous night smoking PCP, a drug which is notorious for causing users to act out dangerous impulses. It's worth noting that equally bizarre acts of mutilation and cannibalism as the ones mentioned are also fodder for dust-related urban legends. It's simply assumed that there is a certain subset of users that are prone to this reaction, since the majority do not. Like the pedophile or cannibal they are proclaimed mentally ill and distanced from society, along with the schizophrenic-who's motives we have an equal ignorance about.

But back to the topic at hand, here's another case where an individual acts out an act of cannibalism on a female that is sexual in nature. Killing her. Taking her last breath than literally taking that last right from her, in the ultimate act of assimilation. The fuse in this case is a dose of phencyclidine, which again is associated with mostly African-American criminal gangs. Arguably the urban American version of the kind of African groups responsible for the atrocities mentioned early on in the thread. It seems to be a recurring theme, the most likely African (and thus assumed to be more agressive and masculine) male acts out this supposedly primal act in a modern setting.

Please don't interpret the previous paragraph as being racist in nature, I bring up the stereotype of the hyper-agressive male to highlight the topic of these urges being if not somewhat innate, at least somewhere at the bottom of male sexuality. It's one card that seems to pop out wherever region the deck that is human DNA is shuffled, for whatever reason. I find the association between these sexual acts and military or quasi-military groups like inner-city and outlaw motorcycle gangs intriguing. Even among fraternities there is the same kind of "unwritten code" where novice members are rang in by being forced to engage in some kind of, usually sexual or scatological act of depreciation. With biker gangs there are "patches" the novice will have to obtain which involve drinking female urine, or having sex with a menstruating women. These are done partially as a ruse to root out "squares" or police, but also to demonstrate that they also have a low regard for women, and by participating in these rituals they affirm their orientation away from society.

I just spent 45 minutes dissecting the most dark and disturbing parts of my psyche, and yet I feel oddly relieved! (& in need of a bowl ;)) I'm for one glad that there's a forum for these thoughts, that there's mature and eclectic users who are interested and not deterred by social norms. Thanks guys!
 
Glad to be of service General Patton. No one should feel ashamed for uncovering dark impulses in themselves, only if they act on them. In fact, by searching out these aspects of ourselves and discussing them we gain power over them, both because knowing they're there we won't be caught off guard by them and because knowing others also feel things like them we gain the confidence of knowing we are not alone in facing them.

Your example of PCP use related cannibalism is fascinating. I know PCP is said to lower inhibitions. Perhaps using it lowers the threshold these impulses need to cross to be expressed.
 
I don't feel like I'm over generalizing it... reading through the thread it seemed like the same things were being said over and over again... I just am not one for details... I mean if you zoom out and look at the big picture I just think you'll see... all violence is sexual in nature, all sex violent... to eat is both sexual and violent... it's a triality... there is the genital, the mouth, and the asshole...
 
^I've definitely described tastes in sexual terms ("Oh god! This burger is like an orgy in my mouth!"), but I don't think I've ever been sexually aroused in response to good food. And though the we give oral pleasure and our "excretive" organs also have sexual functions or are near organs with sexual functions, I don't think many of us are turned on while using the toilet.

To say "Life is Sex, Death is Life, Eating is Death and Life" is to tie together many functions that are not typically associated with one another. It would require a book or a series of books to flesh out what exactly you mean by that. I think it's far from obvious.

It's true I have repeated myself, but that's because I keep getting indications that I may not have been understood, so I say it a little differently each time, adding new examples. I've also expanded into pedophilia in order to try to incorporate other types of sexuality within the theoretical framework of sadistic pleasure outlined for sexual cannibalism. I've also discussed other phenomena like the social perception of whistle blowers and team sports fandom in order to help illustrate how I think we might think about and treat these topics, so this thread has covered quite a bit.
 
okay.... sex is life... two organisms do the hoopty poopty and then whattaya know, a new buddy pops out... so sex creates life... sex=life... a natural function of life, across species/dimensions, is sex... a desire for sex is part of life... life=sex... okay, then, a natural function of life, again, is death... death is a part of all life... so death=life... then, life is a part of death, because you see when someone dies I eat 'em... or if I'm eaten... it is to sustain life... so death sustains and creates life, as life sustains and creates death... life=death... then I eat death for life, I am eaten for life and my eating is my death.. I am dead to be eaten, I die to live, and live to die, and live to fuck pussy
 
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okay.... sex is life... two organisms do the hoopty poopty and then whattaya know, a new buddy pops out... so sex creates life... sex=life... a natural function of life, across species/dimensions, is sex... a desire for sex is part of life... life=sex... okay, then, a natural function of life, again, is death... death is a part of all life... so death=life... then, life is a part of death, because you see when someone dies I eat 'em... or if I'm eaten... it is to sustain life... so death sustains and creates life, as life sustains and creates death... life=death... then I eat death for life, I am eaten for life and my eating is my death.. I am dead to be eaten, I die to live, and live to die, and live to fuck pussy
I'm not sure what you're saying. For instance "sex=life," how so? What about oral sex? What about lifeforms that reproduce asexually? That a desire for sex is part of life doesn't mean it equals life. I also don't live exclusively to have sex. I don't think I even want children. I'm sure many others here are of a similar mind set. In drawing all these equivalencies I'm afraid you are ignoring a whole lot, or at least it seems like you must be if you're trying to unify so much in a mere few lines of text.
 
\The claims are backed by a UN investigation into the phenomena (you may have seen it alluded to in the film “District 9,” also see “Trouble Every Day” for an artistic exploration of the connection between sex and cannibalism).

Not to derail your thread, or belittle it's context/significance, but I believe in D9, they are portraying the practice of consuming albino peoples' limbs to "gain their power."


"Why," you asked in your original post (to a different question, of course). Simply . . .because people are fucking crazy and do irrational things because we're fucking crazy.
 
Wow Bluelight. So even insinuating and providing evidence that 1/3 of all the males you know -- your fathers, your brothers, your best friends -- or even you yourself, get turned on by nudie pics of little girls isn't enough to provoke a reaction? Sadly, I think the biggest real reason there's been no response is that people are intimidated by the amount of reading they'd have to do in this thread to address the arguments. Oh well ... bitches.

In a culture that idolizes youth, who WOULDN'T expect everyone to be attracted to youthful bodies?


I don't think sexual perversion (and, as a gay man, I include gay sex as a sexual perversion) is wide spread or standard as a feature of humanity. I strongly believe it is a symptom of environment and social climate. I think human sexuality is almost entirely dictated by the experiences had growing up.


Edit: perversion =/= morally wrong.
 
perversion eats itself, is a closed loop which detaches itself from the collective organism (Life) and Dies... Life is play and sex is play and language is vague and the harder I pound the Truth I know into tidbits of bites that you can digest the further it is from what I'm even trying to say to begin with... essentially I feel there are no boundaries, and to draw a maze on a circle is arbitrary, so don't get lost in it.... or do... but find the circle eventually at least... Hmm yeah what is thought of as perversion in most human societies is darkness-feeding... really should be praised... he thinks the flies are so disgusting who eat his shit...
 
Again, the reason I think pedophilia might be sadistic in nature, and why it's part of this thread (whether or not acting on it causes harm due to the way society perceives it or not), is because of the perceived nature of children as vulnerable. If sadism is about making the perpetrator feel powerful, then preying on the small, physically and emotionally weak, and easily manipulatable is an attractive prospect, as doing so can satisfy those desires through magnifying the differences in power dynamics during sex. Amputee fetishism might also be further understood though this interpretation.

I disagree. I think that pedophilia is actually timid in nature. A pedophile has an unfulfilled sex drive, and feels that everyone in his/her generation is immoral and lacking compassion. So the pedophile develops a desire to connect with children since they are innocent - which the pedophile also views himself/herself to be.
 
The reason that rape and cannabalism is so common in Africa is because Africans(blacks) have less organic mass in the frontal lobe of their brain compared to the rest of the races.

SCIENTIFIC PROOF: here

"Weighing brains at autopsy, Broca (1873) found that Whites averaged
heavier brains than Blacks and had more complex convolutions and larger
frontal lobes. Subsequent studies have found an average Black–White
difference of about 100 g (Bean, 1906; Mall, 1909; Pearl, 1934; Vint, 1934).
Some studies have found that the moreWhite admixture (judged independently
from skin color), the greater the average brain weight in Blacks (Bean, 1906;
Pearl, 1934). In a study of 1,261 American adults, Ho et al. (1980) found that
811 White Americans averaged 1,323 g and 450 Black Americans averaged
1,223 g (Figure 1). Since the Blacks and Whites were similar in body size,
differences in body size cannot explain away the differences in brain weight."

Of course the frontal lobe is responsible for:

"The executive functions of the frontal lobes involve the ability to recognize future consequences resulting from current actions, to choose between good and bad actions (or better and best), override and suppress unacceptable social responses, and determine similarities and differences between things or events. Therefore, it is involved in higher mental functions.

So if the African race genetically has a lower mass of brain matter in the region of the brain that basically dictates moral reasoning, inhibition of impulsive and destructive behavior, and certain aspects of higher brain functioning, then it's extremely obvious why Africans engage in rape, murder, cannabalism, and are unable to perform many of the necessary higher reasoning thought patterns to build a functional society and they would be able to progress past the stone age.


"The frontal lobes also play an important part in retaining longer term memories which are not task-based. These are often memories associated with emotions derived from input from the brain's limbic system. The frontal lobe modifies those emotions to generally fit socially acceptable norms."

This little known fact also explains why many black criminals are multiple repeat offenders because they simply cant understand why it is unacceptable to rape, steal, murder, etc. The lower percentage of the frontal lobe is also why they don't know how to act like civilized humans.

And I'll go ahead and counter the typical liberal dogmatic "racist" counter "arguments" that will follow my post here with the facts below

And to top it all off...An impressive laundry list of black-on-white crimes including rapes of girls as young as 11.


And..

What we can't say about black-on-white crime

"A white man aboard a subway car is taunted, harassed and attacked by a gang of black high-schoolers. Three white Michigan teens find themselves in the "wrong" neighborhood and are beaten and shot by six black youths. Then there was the case of a white couple that was gang raped, mutilated and murdered by five black adults.

Welcome to the realm of hate crimes that aren't hate crimes.

As for the murder of the couple, Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian, the assailants will go on trial next year. Yet, no hate crime charge is in the offing. Said John Gill, special counsel to the district attorney in the case, "There is absolutely no proof of a hate crime."

Certainly not. Dead men tell no tales.

In the case of the Michigan teens, Dustin Kaiser, Michael Carter and an unnamed 14-year-old girl, two victims survived to bear witness. Their assailants were convicted but, once again, no hate crime charges.

Regardless of the particulars of a given case, a phenomenon is becoming apparent in America: White on black is standing out far more than black on white.

Just watch the startling video of the assault on the white straphanger. If it had shown a white gang attacking an innocent black man, does anyone really believe the footage wouldn't be featured on every news broadcast?

Then, the young girl in the Michigan case was forced to perform sexual acts, and all three victims were shot in the head. And Newsom and Christian were sexually mutilated in unspeakable ways. Yet, the scarcity of national news coverage is striking.

The reason is obvious. Such cases don't conform to the Shill Media's favored fiction, their narrative about prejudiced whites and persecuted blacks.

Speaking of fiction, America is not a "racist" nation, not compared to other lands anyway. But there are racial problems, most of which go unmentioned. Why?

Because most originate in the black community.

We're not supposed to say it, but, contrary to leftist dogma, blacks in America are far more bigoted than whites. The truth is that black bigotry is whitewashed.

I know, I'll be called a "racist" just for saying this – that's part of the blame game – but it's not hard to understand. Blacks and whites have very different upbringings. Weaned on political correctness, most modern white children are told that the worst thing one can be is a racist. They're bombarded with messages about how their race owned slaves and is privileged, about how bigotry characterizes it. They're told that if you have racial feelings, you're a bad person.

While political correctness should be squelched, most would agree that teaching kids to view every individual as a child of God deserving of dignity is a wonderful thing. But understand something: Within the context of man's history and outside our bubble-wrapped world, it's also a very unusual thing.

Hatred easily finds a place in the heart, and blaming "them" for our woes and travails is natural for man. Why do Palestinians often call Jews "apes and pigs"? Why do Hutus in Rwanda call the rival Tutsis "cockroaches"? Why have there been ethnic conflicts in all corners of the Earth since time immemorial? While I'm sure sociologists could wax somnolent rendering theses on the matter, the simple truth is that in most of the world what reigns is not political correctness, but group correctness.

This brings us to the black community. Race is not only a big issue within it, it's a much different one. Most black children are raised not to revile their race, but revere it. Often, hatred toward whites isn't lamented, but lauded as the attitude of a racial patriot toward "oppressors." And just as anonymous Jews incur the stone-throwing wrath of anonymous Palestinians, a white man or woman on a bus or subway is not an innocent, but an enemy. Viewed through this prism, the persecution of such hapless souls is merely the exacting of vengeance.

Relevant here is comedian Chris Rock's skit about how all black people hate whites, and the idea that behind every joke lies some truth. While the operative word is "some," it amounts to many. Could it be otherwise? If for decades you do the racial politics dance – the Jackson-Jena Jig – where every real or perceived problem in the black community is attributed to "the Man," black youths are going to be embittered.

This bitterness is reflected in and exacerbated by the bile disgorged by rap thugs. The song "Kill d'White People" by Apache includes the line: "Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt. ..."

And the Menace Clan says in "Kill Whitey," "Niggas in the church say: kill whitey all night long. ..."

Despite this, we still labor under the illusion that white skin equates to a white sheet, and hate crime laws have become get-whitey laws. And the powers-that-be will continue to exercise double standards until they acknowledge the deep seeds of hatred sown by demagogues in black America.

I won't hold my breath waiting, though. You see, you're not supposed to say these things, and you're a racist if you do. So, yes, I'm guilty. Just like O.J. Simpson is innocent"

And that about wraps this topic up.
 
The reason that rape and cannabalism is so common in Africa is because Africans(blacks) have less organic mass in the frontal lobe of their brain compared to the rest of the races.

SCIENTIFIC PROOF: here

"Weighing brains at autopsy, Broca (1873) found that Whites averaged
heavier brains than Blacks and had more complex convolutions and larger
frontal lobes. Subsequent studies have found an average Black–White
difference of about 100 g (Bean, 1906; Mall, 1909; Pearl, 1934; Vint, 1934).
Some studies have found that the moreWhite admixture (judged independently
from skin color), the greater the average brain weight in Blacks (Bean, 1906;
Pearl, 1934). In a study of 1,261 American adults, Ho et al. (1980) found that
811 White Americans averaged 1,323 g and 450 Black Americans averaged
1,223 g (Figure 1). Since the Blacks and Whites were similar in body size,
differences in body size cannot explain away the differences in brain weight."

Of course the frontal lobe is responsible for:

"The executive functions of the frontal lobes involve the ability to recognize future consequences resulting from current actions, to choose between good and bad actions (or better and best), override and suppress unacceptable social responses, and determine similarities and differences between things or events. Therefore, it is involved in higher mental functions.
i will get back to this later, but wanted to point out that this is not scientific or logical reasoning. it's a disjointed connection with no real rational basis (only a seemingly rational basis)
 
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