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    Erowid has a piece on DMT that suggests (right at the end) that smokeable DMT can be usefully harvested from phalaris grasses in a much simpler way than a full/lengthy extraction.

    Put it through a wheatgrass juicer. Dry the juice. Smoke.

    I've read about it in a couple of other places too and you're supposed to freeze/thaw the stuff to break down the fibrous plant material a bit first, and a reasonable dose would have to be derived from around 50-100g (if not more) of leaves.
    I've never done DMT by this or any other method, so a couple of questions:

    Is this likely to work?

    Is it just too lazy and once you've grown your p.arundinacea you should be prepared to put in the time and perform an extraction?
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    I also find this interesting and posting about this yesterday. Using a juicer, plant matter is greatly reduced leaving only an extremely bitter, small amount of liquid. If this works, I think it could be so much easier. A perfect tek for those who skipped chemistry class.


    One concern I can think of, is that from many ethnobotanical sources the plant matter may be quite dry which could impact the efficacy of this method. I would love to hear from anyone thats tried this. I have a juicer just sitting here waiting to be used.

    If a source for harmala alkaloids could similarly "juiced", this could be a novel way to create an ayahuasca type drink!
     

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    ^ I say give it a go and let us know how it works out
     

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    Perhaps I just might. I can't see blowing myself up with a juicer.

    If one were to attempt such an undertaking, is p.arundinacea the best source material?

    What about Phalaris brachystachys? (discussed in this thread.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim DeKorne
    "The latest scoop is that you don't even have to use chemical extractions anymore - run several handfuls of grass through a wheatgrass juicer (sold in most health food stores) and you'll wind up with a glass or so of incredibly potent liquid. One teaspoon (with MAO inhibition, of course), is a standard dose with strong grass. Only two teaspoons proved very challenging to one of my correspondents - an OD! The juice can be dried and smoked in a bong - two tokes will usually do it."
    It makes me think there might be some 5-MeO-DMT in there as well. In my limited experience it takes more that two tokes of synthetic n,n DMT to go all the way, but this assumes that when DeKorne says two tokes will do it, he is referring to a full dose.

    I have DeKorne's book Psychedelic Shamanism but there is no mention of this procedure. He mentions another procedure using p.arundinacea, but I'd prefer a method that doesn't involve a trip to the hardware store and potentially dangerous chemicals.

    -EDIT- I just noticed the email containing the DeKorne quote is from 1994, I would think if this method is sound, it would be quite widespread due to its relative simplicity. For the moment though, I remain optimistic.
     

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    I don't own a wheatgrass juicer (nvr heard of it either). I'll look into that part tomorrow.

    I do have P. growing in my garden, and I also own a katana.
    No problems there.
     

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    I'm pretty sure any juicer will work.
     

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    "It makes me think there might be some 5-MeO-DMT in there as well. In my limited experience it takes more that two tokes of synthetic n,n DMT to go all the way, but this assumes that when DeKorne says two tokes will do it, he is referring to a full dose."

    I find that one long deep toke works best.
     

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    Not sure why but this just dosnt seem like it would work, from reading MANY other teks you would need something to pull the alkolid out of the Mimosa Root bark like lighter fluid or naptha.
     

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    Has anyone tried this yet? And do you think that is may also work with a Phalaris aquatica var plant too?
     

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    this is really exciting. I ain't got no phalaris grass but i have a wheatgrass compatible slow-rev juicer justwaiting to extract me some DMT
     

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    k well dmt isn't really my field (i'd like it to be, lol) but the theory is sound. whatever drug is in the plant is still going to be there after juicing, and you shouldn't HAVE to extract it (unless the chemical is not active before extraction)
    try it
     

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    id rather use the juicer to make some good ayahuasca from mhrb. just add lemon juice and out comes a real concentrated aya.
     

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    maybe it was the nasty toasted weed you put in the bowl? although, DMT does taste like absolute shit, i almost puked too.

    try using mint or basil instead of weed. it won't help with the taste too much but it's better than used weed. you could probably take a drink right after you take a hit but be prepared for complete weirdness shortly thereafter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~*geNeRaTiOn E*~ View Post
    maybe it was the nasty toasted weed you put in the bowl? although, DMT does taste like absolute shit, i almost puked too.

    try using mint or basil instead of weed. it won't help with the taste too much but it's better than used weed. you could probably take a drink right after you take a hit but be prepared for complete weirdness shortly thereafter.
    I like the taste of weed, even vaped weed.

    Its the distinct taste of burning plastic that makes me nauseous.
     

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    yup, i know the feeling

    what color was it?
     

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    yellowish/whitish
     

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    If it's anything at all like 5-meo-dmt... I can't wait to find out.

    I find 5-meo to be a nice sweet candy tasting burning plastic taste. Is DMT Sweet tasting / plastic?
     

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    DMT, for me, tasted like hot chemical plastic.. it felt like it was scaring my throat.. but its wasnt long till i didnt care anymore, and drifted into oblivion
     

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    Just smoke it enough to learn to appreciate the taste. I love it nowadays.
     

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    Yea same here, it wasn't too long before the taste was like smelling sweet roses to me. And the after taste gives me great reminders of what happpened.
     

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    could a standard herb vaporiser be used, with say a bed of weed then dmt sprinkled on top?
     

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    DMT vaporizes at quite a low temperature. If your smoke tastes especially harsh try applying less heat to the pipe. If I vaporize it, that "overwhelming" bad taste does not overtake me, though it still tastes bad. I use my machine.

    The more you burn instead of vaporize, the harsher the hit will be and the more DMT is getting destroyed.

    I love my machine...it's an upside down freebase airpipe.

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    Nice work! Has anyone tried using a small bed of menthol tobacco?
    I imagine it would smooth out the trip.
     

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    man, i dont know what all you be smokin, but acacialoid DMT smells and tastes absolutely fantastic. smoked in a carrier matrix of b.caapi, w/a standard cone weighing in at ~300mg and 150mg of that is DMT crystal (pure white) there aint no half pregnant with this material. free thyself from the glass dick, rip a cone and say 'I ACCEPT'...
     

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    Is it just me or is DMT reeeeeaaaally rough on the lungs. Everytime I smoke it it i start coughing and tripping at the same time. Usually feels kinda weird too like dirty, maybe its just my own dirtyness but maybe the dmt is tainted with something. I read about hydroxides possibly being unenjoyable and to just dissolve in water then let it evap and the hydroxides should go with the h20. Is this true?

    Enlighten me
     

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