boogersugar
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hi,
I'll make this as simple as i possibly can (state only what i know as fact in what i have observed, untainted by unnecessary novice speculation). I am not a chemist or pharmacologist, but am pursuing a tertiary degree narrowing to a specialization in neuropharmacology - outlining my inherent interest in pharmacology (if that counts for anything)
Life story aside, I would greatly appreciate an educated opinion on the following.. as i know that a post in 'basic drug discussion' will likely end up in a 50-100 post pissing contest culminating in arguments with little or no relation to the original topic.
I'm sure there is a simple explanation for the following, and any time taken to provide me with this would be greatly appreciated...
original material in question - 3 grams meth (clear, crystaline and quite oily - such that it seemed to seep through the plastic bag it was contained in).
1 gram was separated and put into clean bag, and still remains unchanged (control).
other 2 grams was separated into smaller amounts using a 'tainted' butter knife (the same knife for all manipulation).
~5 mins after 'tainted' knife was introduced to meth, discoloration occured - turning yellowy all over, with very obvious focal points of color emergence (bright red). This reaction took place very quickly and continued over the next 30-45 mins, extremely obvious to naked eye (I did not observe peak or end of reaction).
When material was left alone (ie not physically manipulated at all) the focal points of red discoloration (red , expanding spots) re-appeared. - approx 30 mins into discoloration i observed that that oily/wet nature of the original product was no longer evident. - leading me to believe that whatever reaction was taking place was with the oily content of the bag rather than crystaline.
Knife appeared clean, was not obviously dirty. I have concluded that the knife had a smear of something fatty on it. Either pate or butter (definitely something oily).
I conducted a few simple tests to confirm hypothesis...
*all using 'untainted' clear material from separated 'clean' gram.
1 - small blob (~ .01g which consisted, to the best of my determination, of approx equal crystaline and oily material).
deliberate contact with a small (smear) of butter caused obvious discoloration, consistent with previously observed larger amounts. But failed to display any obvious focal point of discoloration - simply, i believe, due to the lack of surface area and observation being by naked eye.
2 - equal blob mixed with 2-3 ml water. *'clean' untainted meth appears to dilute extremely well in room temp water with no undiluted 'cutter' etc evident, nor oily upper layer which might be expected given the oily nature of the original product.
- smeared knife introduced to water-meth solvent, mixed gently over 3-5mins. Caused subtle, yet noticeable discoloration, approx consistent with the ratio of solute to solvent (meth to water).
the ~3ml solvent developed smell which i identified as iodine. the smell strength produced was identical to 200ml water with one drop of 'betadine' [10% providone iodine equiv. to 1% w/v available iodine]. unmistakably that of iodine (or at least betadine, the purest form of idione at my disposal - *note, i have smelled iodine in lab controlled environments, and believe this to have little or no apparent difference.
same results with distilled water.
no reaction observed with a confirmed clean knife.
'tainted' meth, when heated with intention of smoking 'meth vapour' produced a definite smoke with black residue left behind. Whereas clear, 'untainted' meth, heated to smokeless vapour leaving behind little or no colored residue - suggesting to me that the properties of the meth had changed considerably.
From what little applicable knowledge i am able to draw on, i made the following observations and 'conclusions'...
- reaction occured with introduction of oily substance, supported by 2 further, more controlled experiments.
->furthermore, reaction seemed to occur primarily with the oily/wet substance rather than crystalline, as the nature of entire original product lost it's wet/oily properties in conjunction with apparent reaction.
- some form of iodine is produced... comparative visual and smell tests make this, in my opinion, unquestionable.
- level of visible reaction did increase relative to addition of the oily substance in question. Rather, it seemed the introduction of oily substance served as a catalyst. [this is a highly uneducated observation].
OK. I'm sure i've overcomplicated everything by trying to be as concise as possible, and demonstrate little or no knowledge of scientific procedure etc etc.
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Identifying the presence of iodine with little more than water and betadine gave the small (and embarrassingly basic) thrill of scientific deduction that i both miss and yearn form in future studies. Just looking for the why's and what's that only someone of higher knowledge could provide.
->i am interested in the chemistry of far more than illicit drugs.. i just happened to observe something interesting and unexplainable in the properties of meth (unfortunate). I am not interested in the production of meth and am not trying to steer an indirect question assist me as such. Just a recreational user that is genuinely interested in something that most people couldn't care less about - what we are really ingesting
Please do not move this to basic drug discussion moderators, as this is a one-off question to which i hope for anything but a 'basic' answer (however brief it may be).
thanks to any genuine interest in advance
I'll make this as simple as i possibly can (state only what i know as fact in what i have observed, untainted by unnecessary novice speculation). I am not a chemist or pharmacologist, but am pursuing a tertiary degree narrowing to a specialization in neuropharmacology - outlining my inherent interest in pharmacology (if that counts for anything)
Life story aside, I would greatly appreciate an educated opinion on the following.. as i know that a post in 'basic drug discussion' will likely end up in a 50-100 post pissing contest culminating in arguments with little or no relation to the original topic.
I'm sure there is a simple explanation for the following, and any time taken to provide me with this would be greatly appreciated...
original material in question - 3 grams meth (clear, crystaline and quite oily - such that it seemed to seep through the plastic bag it was contained in).
1 gram was separated and put into clean bag, and still remains unchanged (control).
other 2 grams was separated into smaller amounts using a 'tainted' butter knife (the same knife for all manipulation).
~5 mins after 'tainted' knife was introduced to meth, discoloration occured - turning yellowy all over, with very obvious focal points of color emergence (bright red). This reaction took place very quickly and continued over the next 30-45 mins, extremely obvious to naked eye (I did not observe peak or end of reaction).
When material was left alone (ie not physically manipulated at all) the focal points of red discoloration (red , expanding spots) re-appeared. - approx 30 mins into discoloration i observed that that oily/wet nature of the original product was no longer evident. - leading me to believe that whatever reaction was taking place was with the oily content of the bag rather than crystaline.
Knife appeared clean, was not obviously dirty. I have concluded that the knife had a smear of something fatty on it. Either pate or butter (definitely something oily).
I conducted a few simple tests to confirm hypothesis...
*all using 'untainted' clear material from separated 'clean' gram.
1 - small blob (~ .01g which consisted, to the best of my determination, of approx equal crystaline and oily material).
deliberate contact with a small (smear) of butter caused obvious discoloration, consistent with previously observed larger amounts. But failed to display any obvious focal point of discoloration - simply, i believe, due to the lack of surface area and observation being by naked eye.
2 - equal blob mixed with 2-3 ml water. *'clean' untainted meth appears to dilute extremely well in room temp water with no undiluted 'cutter' etc evident, nor oily upper layer which might be expected given the oily nature of the original product.
- smeared knife introduced to water-meth solvent, mixed gently over 3-5mins. Caused subtle, yet noticeable discoloration, approx consistent with the ratio of solute to solvent (meth to water).
the ~3ml solvent developed smell which i identified as iodine. the smell strength produced was identical to 200ml water with one drop of 'betadine' [10% providone iodine equiv. to 1% w/v available iodine]. unmistakably that of iodine (or at least betadine, the purest form of idione at my disposal - *note, i have smelled iodine in lab controlled environments, and believe this to have little or no apparent difference.
same results with distilled water.
no reaction observed with a confirmed clean knife.
'tainted' meth, when heated with intention of smoking 'meth vapour' produced a definite smoke with black residue left behind. Whereas clear, 'untainted' meth, heated to smokeless vapour leaving behind little or no colored residue - suggesting to me that the properties of the meth had changed considerably.
From what little applicable knowledge i am able to draw on, i made the following observations and 'conclusions'...
- reaction occured with introduction of oily substance, supported by 2 further, more controlled experiments.
->furthermore, reaction seemed to occur primarily with the oily/wet substance rather than crystalline, as the nature of entire original product lost it's wet/oily properties in conjunction with apparent reaction.
- some form of iodine is produced... comparative visual and smell tests make this, in my opinion, unquestionable.
- level of visible reaction did increase relative to addition of the oily substance in question. Rather, it seemed the introduction of oily substance served as a catalyst. [this is a highly uneducated observation].
OK. I'm sure i've overcomplicated everything by trying to be as concise as possible, and demonstrate little or no knowledge of scientific procedure etc etc.
********
Identifying the presence of iodine with little more than water and betadine gave the small (and embarrassingly basic) thrill of scientific deduction that i both miss and yearn form in future studies. Just looking for the why's and what's that only someone of higher knowledge could provide.
->i am interested in the chemistry of far more than illicit drugs.. i just happened to observe something interesting and unexplainable in the properties of meth (unfortunate). I am not interested in the production of meth and am not trying to steer an indirect question assist me as such. Just a recreational user that is genuinely interested in something that most people couldn't care less about - what we are really ingesting
Please do not move this to basic drug discussion moderators, as this is a one-off question to which i hope for anything but a 'basic' answer (however brief it may be).
thanks to any genuine interest in advance