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GBL Withdrawl = Kill Me NOW

Found this interesting, guess it's just with GBL that one gets that sort of withdrawl, as used GHB for 6 months twice every evening, 3 hours between doses and experienced no withdrawl whatsoever and they were pretty healthy doses. Had a break of a couple of months and now just have it for kicks now and then or sometimes not at all. Occasionally, just to ensure sleep if amphet was taken.


GHB is not considered addictive although a lot of supposedly neutral American drug info sites wouold have you believe otherwise and release vasts amounts of bullshit to boot.


GBL does convert to GHB in the body but it is apparently harsh on your kidneys in the process. Wouldn't recomend taking GBL regularly but don't know too much about it other than it being an excellent cleanser and paint stripper and one of the more enviromentally friendly solvents too.

GHB conversion would be an infinately better choice.
 
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Hold on, I'm going to go start up my microwave, rofl! Not really though, that's stupid.
 
center said:
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We're talking about personal experience with converting a drug to what some consider a less addictive form and a form with a longer history of safe use.
Isn't that the entire spirit of harm reduction?
 
It's an illegal drug from a legal drug. That is harmFUL. I would say so. Yes. If you enjoy anal virginity and freedom. I do!
 
center said:
It's an illegal drug from a legal drug. That is harmFUL. I would say so. Yes. If you enjoy anal virginity and freedom. I do!
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Well a lot of the forum is with reference to illegal drugs and experiences of said drugs. A large section of society use drugs regularly and will continue to do so, legality is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things. (If there was ANY sense to these laws then tobacco would be listed as the most horrnedous of drugs as it is known to kill millions each year and maim many thousands of others, yet it is legal, I can walk down my street and buy it at a number of places - The drug policies are senseless) That said, while other drugs are illegal, extra care has to be taken so as an otherwise law abiding citizen does not end up with a criminal record (which is in fact criminal in itself).

I wanted to upload a file about a year of testing of GHB at levels up to 9gms per day and where no withdrawl was experienced but it looks like Bluelight doesn't have that option (I just joined). That said, I'll upload to a file sharer and link up to it. It is an interesting read.

The fact is people will continue to use drugs, they have done throughout history and will continue to do so. Surely, legalisation would result in purer products, greater care and advice from specialised pharmacies dispensing such resulting in employment, taxation of drugs would raise much needed cash yet the drugs would be cheaper than they are now, significantly so, and all of that money wasted on a Drug War that the states is now on would be saved and could be used in some amazing ways to better the lives of all and sundry.

Also, it would take billions of dollars per year out of criminal hands.
The US should understand that prohibition of products that a large section of society wants is an ill conceived idea. Prohinbition of alcohol was what rocketed the Mafia from a bunch of street hoodlums to a major organisation that has influence in many areas of society and politics too.

The main supporters of the drug war are the criminal gangs themselves, they do a very nice business out of it while it is illegal.


The following article may be of interest as it is related to the above. The link is to a major respected UK national newspaper, sadly, I don't have the picture which was a full front cover of this newspaper but will link if I can find it; however, the story is here...

:) http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article3061121.ece :)
 
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OK EarlGrey. You kind of came in the topic at the wrong point. I'm not going to screw anyone over. Drink tea all day bitches!

If all drugs are legalized, this world is fucking over with.

Say what you want about the "novelty" dissapearing. The addiction potential nor the rewarding effects won't dissipate.

It's very immature and primal to want them legalized. Sounds like a fourteen year old response, irreguardless of long term effects.

"LEGALIZE IT". We're not in the 80s anymore and life is not a Sublime song.
 
For OTC solutions I'd just try to get some melatonin, valerian root and try to sleep it off.

But first try to get more ativans.
 
^I think sonic is a great mod of OD, flexible and is online very often.
 
center said:
OK EarlGrey. You kind of came in the topic at the wrong point. I'm not going to screw anyone over. Drink tea all day bitches!

If all drugs are legalized, this world is fucking over with.

Say what you want about the "novelty" dissapearing. The addiction potential nor the rewarding effects won't dissipate.

It's very immature and primal to want them legalized. Sounds like a fourteen year old response, irreguardless of long term effects.

"LEGALIZE IT". We're not in the 80s anymore and life is not a Sublime song.
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No, we're certainly not in the 80's and thank god for that, what a shit era that was!
The comments made were by a chief constable a highly respected figure in British policing with many years of experience directly with drugs. He is however, not the first, this is becoming a regular call from British police in many quarters.

A very immature response would be to not even consider such an option.

Since the 90's Britain has prescribed DiaMorphine to some longterm patients and methadone to many others. The effect, those guys did not have to steal £300 worth of clothing each day to fund their habit, police time is not wasted on shoplifting, courts are not filled with a merrygoround of addicts who have to find cash on a daily basis and prisons were relieved of their prescence.

....I bet their was someone, maybe like yourself, who said that to give MEthadone/DiaMorphine to addicts was an immature response that would 'finish' the country.

Has the Netherlands dissapeared into a hellish nightmare of Marijuana abuse???

Don't believe all the Bollocks that is served up daily during your televisual feast. Has the US drug war been a success or has it criminalised a large section of society and seen otherwise decent human beings in jail? There are a serious amount of victims created through those policies and a definate rethink is needed. A large waste of tax dollars in the extreme....

I'm not saying totally legalise everything put it in shops so anyone can buy what they want - there are a massive number of approaches to this and serious consideration of those options needs to be investigated because the present situation is just making billionaires of ruthless people and criminalising other regular guys just like me and maybe, a little like you too...
 
I notice that in every single GBL addiction/withdrawal case, the user admits to dosing more frequently than every six hours.

As I have statd here before, many times - if you dose more frequently than every six hours, you will experience some withdrawal effects that can be very unpleasant, depending on the duration of your use.

Now I have had the debates about why this is true (and it is true, it's not just my opinion - meaning, I have personally witnessed over twenty people reverse this whole GBL withdrawal issue simply by following the user protocol that I have posted many times) - and here it is once again:

1. Dose no more than every six hours!
2. Take in enough alkalyzing agents to keep the body out of acidosis. I use green Kamut (wheatgrass), white grapefruit juice, lemons, watermelons, and occasionally a vinegar/honey shot.
3. Take two days off every week. They need not be concecutive, although I found that it was easier to do it that way. For me it was usually Tuesday and Wednesday.
4. Take a week off every month. This means seven concecutive days. Again, for me, it was if I recall the second week of the month in most instances. Admittedly, it was this rule that I personally broke the most often. Whenver I started to feel like I was growing that monkey, I took off seven days and like magic, I was fine.

Now folks, I used for almost two straight years this way. GBL, mind you, not GHB (although I did take GHB whenever it materialized in front of me at parties). I never, not once, had any withdrawal issues.

When, for a personal experiment, I tried 'binge dosing', dosing roughly once every two hours for two weeks straight, I experienced all the so called debatable withdrawal symptoms. They were very, VERY intense and unpleasant, and I had to go to a friend's house to force myself to quit for a solid week. I eased back into my heavier use (which was about 20ml/24hours at the heaviest), and maintained this dosage for over a year and a half (with some breaks here and there, none more than a couple of days though if I recall accurately - please don't come back and cite some weekend where I posted about my experince and didn't include GBL - I have chronicled my use on this board very thoroughly and those who wish to research my claims and findings can easily find them by looking back about three-four years.)

Anyway, there you have my two cents, which I contribute a couple of times a year, when these threads surface.
 
Since the 90's Britain has prescribed DiaMorphine to some longterm patients and methadone to many others. The effect, those guys did not have to steal £300 worth of clothing each day to fund their habit, police time is not wasted on shoplifting, courts are not filled with a merrygoround of addicts who have to find cash on a daily basis and prisons were relieved of their prescence.

....I bet their was someone, maybe like yourself, who said that to give MEthadone/DiaMorphine to addicts was an immature response that would 'finish' the country.

Has the Netherlands dissapeared into a hellish nightmare of Marijuana abuse???
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Firstly, you can not blame a drug for people's actions. You can say a drug influenced a person to make a decision. Yes, influenced. A drug does not have a power inately as you're stating. I'm sorry, but it's the person's fault for stealing the clothes to support their habit. It's not the drug's fault for getting the person addicted who can't afford to take the drugs.

I'm not even going to answer the marijuana question. We know the facts. We know the differences.

Criminals are the problem. I don't enjoy spending tax dollars on keeping them in there for drug related offenses. That merits a forced detoxification and assisted living program, if I were to have my ways. Thievery is a different offense than merely possessing or using a drug. Thieves take from one person who earned(or not-doesn't matter)something, and make it theres. That isn't right. Yes, punish them by jail. This is the way it has been, and always will be. I am sorry, you're not really able to say that it has kept thieves off our street. That would be asinine. Are there still thieves on the streets? Yep. Would there be more if we never incarcerated thieves who stole because they wanted to spend the cash on drugs? I'm not even needing to answer this one. I hope you are a rational human.


I'm really not going to break this down any further for you.
Point being; drugs in general are not given a mission after they are synthesized to make someone steal or commit other crimes. The user is solely responsible for his actions, plain and simple. If the user isn't, then you're blaming the drug. If you're going to blame the drug, well...I really have no reason to be here anymore. That would mean you sir, need to think outside the box of your pro-drug legalization mindset. A mindset you want so that you can walk down the street and buy a bag, so you can sit on your ass all week waiting for the next social security check. I'm certainly not putting money into it so down the line, a dipshit bum with no job can spend my money on dope. Not happening, thanks.

(Not to you in particular-- people with this mindset.)

Too bad, get a grip sir.
 
Has the Netherlands dissapeared into a hellish nightmare of Marijuana abuse???

...ahem...

The user is soley responisble for his actions, plain and simple?

Okay. While I understand this position, as an experienced user of almost every common rec drug, I would maybe ammend this statement to:

The user is solely responsible for his decision to try a drug.

Better?

Because brother, after that, things get complicated.
 
center said:
Firstly, you can not blame a drug for people's actions. You can say a drug influenced a person to make a decision. Yes, influenced. A drug does not have a power inately as you're stating. I'm sorry, but it's the person's fault for stealing the clothes to support their habit. It's not the drug's fault for getting the person addicted who can't afford to take the drugs.


That would mean you sir, need to think outside the box of your pro-drug legalization mindset. A mindset you want so that you can walk down the street and buy a bag, so you can sit on your ass all week waiting for the next social security check. I'm certainly not putting money into it so down the line, a dipshit bum with no job can spend my money on dope. Not happening, thanks.
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First point: You are exactly correct, people are responsible for their own actions and drugs are inanimate objects. So why do you believe that legal drugs would cause a society wide failure? Do you really believe that if drugs were legal a large amount of people currently on nothing would suddenly decide to spend their days seeing how high they can get and nothing else? Because drugs are here right now, and the population that desperately want to become hopeless addicts but are afraid of legal consequences is probably totally negligible.

Point two: What on earth are you arguing here? People RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW are spending their social security checks on drugs and sitting on their ass all week. Prohibition casts addicts out of regular society into an underworld of black markets and government hand outs. Legalizing drugs would allow people the stability of knowing their next dose will always be there and of a known purity and reasonable price, they also will not have to associate with thugs and criminals to acquire them. And without the stigma of drug crime convictions people won't be cast out of gainful employment.

The great majority of drug addicts right now work long and hard to finance their habits among other obligations, removing the stress of dealing with the black market and its poor quality control and exorbitant prices will free up more time for them to lead full lives is all.
 
Prohibition casts addicts out of regular society into an underworld of black markets and government hand outs.

Well said.

BTW, we tried Prohibition before. It was called the Volstead Act.
 
synchrojet said:
BTW, we tried Prohibition before. It was called the Volstead Act.
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While Volstead was in effect alcohol was non-existent in the US, it was a peaceful golden age of human endeavor.

After its repeal society collapsed, all anyone was interested in was getting wasted 24/7. The streets were filled with violence and drunken orgies, the end of the republic.

Oh no wait thats all bullshit.;)
 
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