Heroin Detox Help Needed!!

Hey guys! So SWIM really needs some help here..

Swim has been dealing with opiate addiction for almost 2 years. At first swim only smoked weed, drank, tripped, etc. Nothing more than that and that was a promise, but one night swim ended up trying percs. Swim really liked it and ended up doing it for a while. Swim was very dumb and was another person who thought they could control it and that they wouldn't get addicted, and they were horribly wrong. Well, months go on and there were a couple times swim and her boyfriend tried to get clean, but got to the second day/night and relapsed. Swim just ended up keeping it going. Months later, swim was horribly sick one night and there were no pills around. She promised herself she'd never touch heroin under any circumstance, so it was a bad decision to make but she obviously didn't want to be sick. So she did it. After that night, swim realized how easier it was to just buy that! (btw, swims boyfriend previously had an issue with opiates, specifically with IVing, and was clean about 3 years before this started again). But both were having a hard time dealing with it, but at this point, both were getting high so everything was fine! Months went on, and they realized they couldn't be doing this. They used subs a couple times, and obviously every time fucked up, but at least got to get through the withdrawals and had at least a week off, before it was their mind that collapsed and got them to cop again. But around this time, SWIM has been trying to get clean for about 5 months. Every other time before then, suboxone was working to stop the withdrawals so it helped, it was only mentally. Now around, SWIM and her boyfriend are completely for getting clean and leaving this jail of the big H. Swim realized the one time they tried to get clean that the suboxone didn't help that much. They obviously fucked up again and kept doing shit. Btw, about a month after they both started doing I.V because it saved them stuff, etc. Which just turned into bullshit and did the same thing it always does. But swim has been trying to get clean a couple times now and suboxone isn't working. Swim is getting sick within 3-4 hours and obviously can't take a suboxone then bc she can be put into precipitated withdrawals (which has happened before) and it started off where 4 mg and that would get rid of the withdrawals plus get them fucked up! Now, 14 mg won't even get the withdrawals away!!! 8( So swim read up online about something new that could help, especially something all natural! And that's where swim found out about kratom! (for those of you who don't know what that is, it's a natural occurring leaf in places like thailand, malaysia, etc. This has been used for a while to help treat opiate addictions (including methadone, suboxone, etc), to also help with anxiety, depression, chronic pain, general pain, etc! What it does to the brain is make it believe that it is an opiate by attaching to the opioid receptors like opiates do, but it isn't an actual opiate. There hasn't been much about addiction about this, but with any drug, if you are taking it everyday for a while, you're bound to get hooked on it. But MANY say this drug is a miracle to help those getting off of opiates because it kicks about 80% of withdrawals for up to 5-6 hours! Soo many people have backed it up, sharing their stories and whatnot. Sounds so great right? Well swim has an issue with her stomach, and can't get this stuff down. It comes in powder or just grinded up leaves, but you can make a tea, just swallow it, mix in food, etc. But the minimum dosage for a heroin user would be to start off with 2 teaspoons. Swim mixed it in a drink and it didn't get down well. She eventually got it to stay down about twice and it helped pretty well! but the issue is that she can't keep doing it this way because it's getting harder and harder to swallow it down and not puke it up. Also, swim is also going back and forth between dope and kratom bc of the withdrawals! All she wants to do it just be clean bc now her two mainline points (only hitting spots) are so fucked up and can't be used, which is stressful for her bc blowing it wasn't doing it and any shooter would know that feeling isn't great. Swim plans on trying to knock herself out with the dope and wake up about 8-12 hours, take the kratom so it'll keep them up and moving without being too sick so she can take a suboxone about 24 hours after the last dose of heroin! But she doesn't know what to start with now or whatever. Can anyone help?! PLEASE!! much appreciated... any info on what to do to detox safely without much withdrawals.., etc.

We don't SWIM here at blue light... Referencing yourself in the third person even under a pseudonym that's obviously you does not protect you from LEO who care about suppliers not a simple user like yourself.

That being said social support is the best way to get over addiction. Also identifying why you use and tackling that problem head on. I know it's easier said than done, but admitting here you need help is a start

Edit: Kratom is an opioid containing plant. You need to stop these Kratom and the heroin for 24 hours before subs minimally 12, but due to the long time of using stably I would recommend 24 hours. You could taper with Kratom first to make that 24 hour more bearable or something like Xanax only for the 24 hour period between the Kratom or heroin stops and the bupe begins. Start bupe at four mg when you do then if you are OK an hour later take another four mg. Twice a day dosing if optimal IMO unless you are managing chronic pain then 4x a day is better. Bupe takes a good day to really start balancing out. Just such with transferring and stay stable on bupe or do a quick taper that is either once or twice daily dosing
Day one 16 mg total (16, or 8,8)
Day two 14 mg total (14 or 7,7)
Going down two mg each day till you are at zero unless you want to do one day of one mg. This is all sublingual dosing, which is a must as nasal or IV mess with active effect time.
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Withdrawal won't be painless and gets worse the longer you run away from it with suboxone or any opiate for that matter. The raid taper plan should be OK, but even after the last sub dose 2-3 days later withdrawals will kick in for a week before true recovery begins, but it ain't nearly be as severe as getting off any level heroin or lighter full agonist habit.

Hello, kratom will absolutely help wd's but is also addictive in itself. If you ever try the extracts (UEI/FST etc) be extremely careful because the extracts will snatch you up quickly. Have you tried Kratom capsules? That might be easier for you to take it and keep it down. I suggest buying powder and a capsule machine and making your own, you can buy all caps but the prices are ridiculous. You can definitely use kratom to get off the other stuff and then taper down safely and you will be in a better spot to jump if that's your goal, good luck and I hope all works out well for you.

You can put the kratom in empty capsules.. also trying to get clean while your significant other is using/relapsing, will never work! You might have to take time apart from one another, to get clean. That's what my ex gf and I eventually had to do.. yes we never got back together, but we both got our shit straight. Now she's married and has a good life.


- Hopeless Soul