Stimulants Advanced Amphetamine Discussion (2+years experience)

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The purpose of this topic is to shine a bit of light on a personal question that no specialist was able to answer. I am not physically addicted to amphetamines because I can go to work and perform without any amphetamines, so functionally speaking, I'm ok without them, but psychologically speaking it's different:

Right at this moment, I have not slept since Saturday February 13th. Some people may say that's bad, but I think it's good, for what it reveals to me, it is worth pursuing:

To me, life without amphetamines is just a meaningless sequence of events, places and ideas, that do not resonate in any way, feel empty of content and tend to accumulate like yellow piss in a same container, without taste, smell, nor flavor. If I were to recall an event that occurred last Friday, I would have to take a plunge into that boring glass of piss called my life, and find it just...laying there, next to other events and random memories that agglomerate and form a tasteless piss. An excruciatingly boring monotony of no sensation, as though I was reading a hard drive, one part of it is not more special than another, it's all...megabytes, same smell-less crap, if it actually smelled like crap it would be more entertaining.

However, as I use amphetamines, and especially, once total insomnia kicks in for a few nights, something special happens. When I gaze upon a street corner that I crossed 3,000 times, and for 3,000 times it meant nothing, all of a sudden it means alot, as though I was able to see something new about that place every single time I see it. I can feel like a stranger in my family or workplace. Nothing is casual and routine anymore. Everything feels new, fresh and exciting. The places I visit make me feel like I want to stay there, the ideas that I get feel like they're worth pursuing.

Dreams I get after such insomnia feel as though I was able to transpose myself in another life form and live another life through its senses, feel new fears, new pleasures. It's not dreams that simply mimic my own reality, it's dreams that create a new reality that didn't exist before and has nothing in common with what I live every day. It feels like...oh! So that's how a Kishi lives on planet Kishia a million light years from Earth...ok, good to know. That's exactly how it feels like. The environments are unlike anything I have ever seen and what happens inside the dream doesn't follow any principle of physics or thermodynamics, and social rules or any concept humans are accustomed with.

Society says that reality should trigger feelings, and not the other way around: Feelings shouldn't trigger reality. But when reality triggers fuckall, is it a punishable crime to try and overcome that? Why is that labeled as escaping reality and not as embracing the new?

Sleep deprivation can flood the brain with dopamine.

I am no longer an amphetamine user but I would just like to say that you will not live to be very old if you continue sleeping like this, neurodegenerative disease would be the main concern but I would expect increased risk of cancer from immunosuppression. Psychedelics and NMDA antagonists (especially memantine) are much safer options than amphetamines and sleep deprivation. But the brightest flame burns quickest and to each their own.

Hey! Inthevein here!
First started doing amphetamines recreationally mid October 2012.

First and foremost I would like to agree with the fact that life is definitely a lot better while intoxicated. I have also experienced the "new thoughts" that your describing. But I don't think it's the amphetamines that's causing them,

Have you ever heard of "Fasting"? When you don't eat for long periods of time your brains starts to work differently. Kind of like when your in a cold environment, your body keeps its vital organs warm rather than fingers toes etc. Well your brain starts to basically turn overdrive on. I can't tell you the exact science behind it, but I'm sure a quick Google search would explain it better than me. I watched the Ted talks video on it.

This process actually starts to happen after around 7 hours after your last meal. I have used amphetamines to practice fasting, in search of spiritual experiences, on many occasions. (It's very hard to not eat without them!!)

I have answered many of my life long wonders by doing this and it's very self-empowering. It's almost like taking pysliocibyn and "re-training" your mind.

This process of self dosing amphetamines to overcome hurdles in life, has helped me in so many ways. I quit smoking cigarettes, marijuana, and drinking. All just by thinking about my life in this higher state of mind. The next substance to overcome on my list is Xanax. But it's very hard for me to stand the anxiety from sleep deprivation and paranoia without a Xanax or klonopin in my system.

Astrology is also another intense subject to explore, I have learned so much about myself and how I relate to my sign(Gemini). Anyways I won't get into that but get some sleep soon! Because 72+ hours of no sleep is really toxic on your body and brain. It's mainly the not eating that produces these thoughts, not insomnia. But I definitely agree that insomnia helps make the thoughts wander a lot faster than just fasting!!

The longest I have stayed awake was 6 days.... With the occasional 30 minute fall out ever other day. At that point the hallucinations were so intense. I thought I was seeing Angels flying around and towards me... Kinda scary but cool. Anyway I'm glad you posted this! Definitely brought back a lot of good memories.

Cotcha Yankinov said:

Sleep deprivation can flood the brain with dopamine.

I am no longer an amphetamine user but I would just like to say that you will not live to be very old if you continue sleeping like this, neurodegenerative disease would be the main concern but I would expect increased risk of cancer from immunosuppression. Psychedelics and NMDA antagonists (especially memantine) are much safer options than amphetamines and sleep deprivation. But the brightest flame burns quickest and to each their own.

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I've known some old tweakers (people in their 60's and older who'd been messing around with (meth)amphetamines for literally decades). Those people always fascinated me...I don't know how they didn't get burned out on it during that period of time. Amazing.

I have stayed up four days in a row from amphetamines. I didn't get any new revelations from life. I just simply started hallucinating and going delusional. Was it enjoyable? Kinda. Did I feel like shit putting my brain and body through that? Yes.


I'm not sure what the point of your post is. We are not binary machines, we are living organisms. Our lives hold an intrinsic meaning to us. They can have an extrinsic value or extrinsic detriment to our world depending if we choose to share our talents or our vices.


I think you should sleep, and reflect once sober on the revelations you have come across in this current state of psychosis you are in. A sober mind will offer a more rational perspective toward them.

Hi,

I know how you feel. I've been taking amphetamines for over 10 years old, or rather methylphenidate. Being hyperactive, I have developed from aged 8 a sleep deprivation problem. I have started abusing my medication since I was 14 so years from now.

I was never a heavy sleeper, always in average 5 to 6 ours a night before my abuse. Once I started abusing my medication, at some stages I used to take methylphenidate and combine it with cocaine. My reasons was to be able to play up non-stop video games for days and being able to cope with schoolwork. This was an amazing life never sleep do what you want ! Sometimes I would stay up to 3 to 4 days up without sleeping (neither eating much I must admit). My life was really exciting and intense back then.

Now it couldn't be more the other way round. After all these years of no sleeping and abusing amphetamines. I have developed like a never ending tiredness that follows me everywhere I go. Up to this day from the very first moment I enter a room or a social place, people can see straight away that I'm tired. And I have lost lots of energy and honestly my eye lids are tired, physically tired of keeping themselves open, after so many years of standing up and not resting. I'm seing a sleep therapist, but he says it will be very long and will take a long time to be able to restore a normal sleep schedule.

If I could stop time and just sleep to catch up all the years I have missed my sleep I would do it any time. But the fact is that you can't stop time. I regret very much this choice of mine and it only contributes more to depression of getting of drugs. Which seems to be a very dull, empty and boring life with no meaning.

Amphetamines have killed the person who once was mine and made me (and still does now) feel the most horrible feeling of emptiness.

I don't know where you are at with your sleeping schedule, it's maybe too late already to avoid the feeling of bored in life but maybe you can still make your life interesting by having enough energy with enough sleep.

Sorry I wrote a lot, and probably you can cope with it juste fine and what do I know anyways, but since I saw someone going trough the same emptiness in life I had a strong will to share my story and it makes me feel a bit less alone with my problem.

I'm making changes in my life now, and I'm leaving for another country with my savings. By seing a therapist I'm trying to make the reality trigger feelings again and joy (I don't know if it will work but I got to continue trying). But what I have learnt is that you can't continue living this dream, at some point it will go crash and it will crash hard. But anyways enough speaking best of luck in your quest that life is and greetings from Switzerland !

DETROIT*edm*JUNKIE said:

I have stayed up four days in a row from amphetamines. I didn't get any new revelations from life. I just simply started hallucinating and going delusional. Was it enjoyable? Kinda. Did I feel like shit putting my brain and body through that? Yes.


I'm not sure what the point of your post is. We are not binary machines, we are living organisms. Our lives hold an intrinsic meaning to us. They can have an extrinsic value or extrinsic detriment to our world depending if we choose to share our talents or our vices.


I think you should sleep, and reflect once sober on the revelations you have come across in this current state of psychosis you are in. A sober mind will offer a more rational perspective toward them.

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But did you feel the need to obtain a revelation while on amphetamines? Maybe the absence of need for a revelation is the revelation itself. Maybe the reason why we couldn't find a revelation, was because we were in a state of mind where a revelation was needed, and when that need dissipated...you sort of go like, wait a second, not only was I looking for the wrong thing, but the very fact that I was looking was the proof that I was far from it.

@Celery Stick

I feel ya bro, good luck and for me, nicotine removes all fatigue, minus the boredom lol.

The longest I have stayed awake was 6 days.... With the occasional 30 minute fall out ever other day. At that point the hallucinations were so intense. I thought I was seeing Angels flying around and towards me... Kinda scary but cool. Anyway I'm glad you posted this! Definitely brought back a lot of good memories.

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For me, after 9 days without sleep, people's faces were so blurred out that the same person could walk by, one time I would see him wear a beard, the other time, no beard, was like, oh beard! OH! No beard! LOL, everything was blurred and smelled like burnt diesel. There was this burned diesel smell everywhere, my body smelled like it, air smelled like it, water smelled like it. I would hear noises coming from faces of my co-workers before they started talking to me, like if someone would come to me, I often say something...before they addressed me.

Like someone comes to me I say "no, I'm not done this yet" they go like "ahh...your...mail has arrived...are you ok?" LOL Cause they don't know what's up man...and when you talk to them you make a weird face and they feel like running away from you.

Ahhh! That strikes God's fear into people I tell you.

Anyone ever get extreme visual hallucinations from meth on day 2+? For me everywhere I looked there would be red crosses or different usually red patterns. I could see why people think it's the devils drug lol. I been off stims for a while now but OP I can say life gets better, stims really do take a toll on the body. Took me a long time of recovering to feel mentally and physically recovered.

Yep sleep dep is a fine and exotic bitch to tame. I honest to god, sort of agree with the OP. After about 36-48 hours, I get all kinds of trippy, almost LSD-esque visuals. LSD being my WDOC (World Drug of Choice), I really appreciate the similarities and my intermediate meth binges have made me question how much of the late-trip LSD effects are, if not caused, then aided by a little sleep deprivation themselves. Don't really get the 'breathing', my favorite acid effect of all, but you can see a flowing quality, especially when zoning out on a wall/ piece of carpet. I'm actually starting to get some of those right now (Oops, did I really write that? lol) going in to I'm guessing... hour 35ish on my current binge.

--Okay backing it up. I'm Loadie Kody (Real nickname), and being from rural and somewhat less populated regions of the US, it's probably safe to say that I've got a wealth of personal experience that someone my age (26) should probably be ashamed of. I'm not, but I probably should be . I first used meth when I was about 16. Late starter, I know, lol, and if you knew where I was from in America, that 16 number would seem even more ridiculous. In my old state that I lived in for a couple years and first used in, my hometown was known to be the late-90s meth cooking capitol of the United States. My current abode is on the wrong side of the tracks in a city whose name can actually be used today synonymously with 'Tweak Town' (Bonus points for the person who calls it. I won't tell you if you got it or not, but if you tweak on west coast, should be easy). My dad IVs, by his own estimate, .5- 1 gram every day. He's sixty-five and has lost and used the stuff since before there were any Hollywood movies about it or DEA task forces established to catch the producers. Sounds fucked but I swear to god on my wife's soul. He would probably die if he stopped at this point. He's weak and frail as shit (another contributing factor to this condition is catastrophic degenerative disk disease that has nearly paralyzed him on at least three occasions that I know of, and I was out of contact with him for over a decade growing up living with my mother), but man, he's a fucking hustling trooper motherfucker. He taught me to be one of those old school user/losers, you know, with morals, who stands by his word, knows how to take care of his friends, and never fucked around when there was business to be made.... They don't make 'em like us no more. Without my dad around, my path through the underworld of drugs, especially such not-fucking-around substances as Meth, Heroin, etc would have likely been dark indeed. These herein I will claim as my credentials to speak truth when it comes to methamphetamine. I don't do a whole lot of prescribed amps, because I don't waste my time on planet dirt fuck-fucking around...

So a few quick things. The wife and I are in the grip of a gnar gnar binge at present. I think we've smoked and snorted (depending on the mood) for 9 weeks straight, daily. Hard to say because the days just mold together so easily, now. In the past few weeks (Months? Jesus!) we've tackled everything from horrific insomnia to a bout of the dope-dick that killed us for like a week solid. The sort of problems you only learn about when your habit goes from once a YEAR to every day, work or no work, for months on end. Before you go trying to save my life, I've already explained that IMO the BEST meth info resource in the world is in my phone under 'Dad', so don't preach. I'm mentioning this because I just realized how actually FUCKED UP this looks in writing. Explanation to follow -

So when you use daily, a few things change drastically about meth. You can sleep, first off. Like, 'Just smoked a phatty bowl of good shit? let's get naked and go to bed, goodnight,' type of shit.
You can eat, too. In fact, you get hungry as fuck. I'm on 30+ hours (pussy shit) and as soon as I post this I'm going down to make some bomb steak tacos. Fuck, this is actually gonna be shorter than I had intended, because I'm actually hungry as shit. But yeah, I've GAINED weight. 165ish 3 months ago. It's always been my curse, even in HS wrestling, and semi-pro MMA training, I can NOT break a buck seventy. This morning, 178. HAHAHA! If only my MMA coach had just loaded me up some dope, I could've fought more... That's fucking epic backwards shit, true to form.

Anyways, super hungry now, so can't remember what I started this whole thing trying to say... Fuck, oh well.


--KSA, 9 days is a grip, man. Baller status, official from the Loadie. I hit 8 last week (the week before? I honest to god don't fucking know). Shit gets WEEEEEEIIIIIIRRRRDDDDD at those points, like, 'this shit don't feel like acid, anomore...' or, in my exact experience, 'Take me the fuck home, mama, I do not want to be high anymore!'...

pleasure chatting, tho. Feels good to get that shit off your chest (One reason I joined the site). What were we supposed to be talking about again?

KodytheLoadie said:

I've already explained that IMO the BEST meth info resource in the world is in my phone under 'Dad'

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lol

But yeah, there's more crystal in the northwest USA than there is in a hippy's bedroom hehe. I know because I live in the (far) northwest USA myself.

Burnt Offerings said:

But yeah, there's more crystal in the northwest USA than there is in a hippy's bedroom hehe. I know because I live in the (far) northwest USA myself.

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-Alaska.

Ask me how I know... What part? I lived in the Valley up til 4 years ago...

Honestly still can't decide if your comment was facetious or not? No offense. You read my post, should understand, lol

Yeah I live in AK, was born here and lived most of my life here. Currently living in interior Alaska.

OUCH! I'm sorry. Fairbanks is like the quintessential epitome of total depressing shit holes. I could never stay overnight anytime I've been..... Well, I never slept overnight if you catch my drift, lol

Rural America is like a petri dish sample for colonies of high meth-use populations, I swear. There ain't shit to do, everyone knows everyone, nothing happens.... and for some fucked up reason, we all want to enjoy this amazing experience for 48 hours straight...

KodytheLoadie said:

OUCH! I'm sorry. Fairbanks is like the quintessential epitome of total depressing shit holes.

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Damn you! I read that line on my mobile phone while I was in a class and nearly busted out laughing. It's funny because it's so true!

It's funny how defensive some people get about interior Alaska when I complain about this shit hole, too...it's like, what is so great about this environment? The air quality index that's worse than Beijing? The air that often feels like it has very little oxygen in it? The subzero temperatures? The ice desert landscape dotted with tortured-looking, scraggly spruce trees? LOL. The only thing this place has going for it as far as the natural environment is concerned is the aurora borealis. Otherwise it's just a place that combines all the worst aspects of industrial rural hick towns out in the boonies.

Some of the people I've met here have been cool but there are a lot of nuts too. The "scene" here is super depressing but that's probably the same everywhere, really, when it comes to drugs.