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CNN report on desinger/synthetic/mail order drugs Dec 1/14, 8pm C/9pm E

Thomas Davie

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Mods, please feel free with moving this thread ti a more appropriate forum.

I is posting here because one of the incidents covered is something that I've purchased (but not yet used) 25I/C/B.

It's basically a 1 hour show on RC's, probably with little info on harm reduction, but nonetheless it's on now.


Tom
 
Not worth it unless you're interested in the 2012 North Dakota nbome deaths and subsequent criminal case.

Covers RC's in a very limited sense. No specifics such as classes of drugs or mentioning that a lot of the drugs derive from published research, and nothing mentioned regarding harm reduction or information resources for these drugs.

I'm still left with one question regarding the North Dakota case and nbome's; they mention that the chemical was dissolved/mixed in chocolates (which one would presumably eat); I thought there wasn't much of a tendency for nbome's to be orally active? I'm aware of some reports of oral activity, but nothing that one can safely accept as fact. This show did not address oral activity/inactivity of the noble's.

No reagent testing

Don't want to sound like a broken record, but the message of this show was 'Drugs are bad. They will kill you' and 'It's killing our kids'.

Tom
 
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I'm still left with one question regarding the North Dakota case and noble's; they mention that the chemical was dissolved/mixed in chocolates (which one would presumably eat); I thought there wasn't much of a tendency for noble's to be orally active? I'm aware of some reports of oral activity, but nothing that one can safely accept as fact. This show did not address oral activity/inactivity of the noble's.

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert, doctor, nor have I ever claimed to be.

IIRC the speculation is that NBOMEs are orally active when taken at the same dose as their parent compound. So one could consume say 30mg of 25i and expect to get the nearly the same results as taking 30mg of 2C-i orally. The issue with this is if some of the consumed NBOME managed to by-pass the stomach it would lead to a major overdose very quickly.

In the case you're talking about I think the NBOME was sold as "mushroom powder" which makes sense since they made it into chocolates and consumed it as if it were mushrooms. This leads me to wonder: Were the chocolates held in the mouth for any time or were the swallowed right off? Even if they were eaten directly could a little bit have remained trapped between the gums somewhere? There are plenty of possibilities to consider here. Plus, knowing that these people didn't practice any harm reduction it's pretty safe to assume they weren't working with a scale.

I hate to see anything get banned especially as the result of people who don't practice harm reduction. But if one of the current popular RCs was to get banned I wouldn't particularly mind if it was the NBOMe class. It has one benefit (for me) in the eye candy but everything past that just feels shallow compared to the other commonly available stereogenics. We all also know the problems with it begin passed off as LSD to unsuspecting newbies. It also has that problem of causing death even in users taking less than they've taken in the past.

I'm not knocking the class here. I've used them, I've enjoyed them, I think anyone that would like to use them should be able to explore them. I just don't like seeing them end up in the hands of youngin's or people prone to poly-substance abuse. I found out the hard way with 25e that it isn't something that you can just give to anyone, even those known to be "hard heads".
 
For the guy to distribute pure NBOME powder was super negligent.

But yea the documentary sucked and did absolutely nothing to educate anyone other than saying dont touch any drugs ever.

all these kids are dead or doing mad time in jail for being stupid or just being plain unlucky. sad story.

the sad part is that no real effective measures have been taken to prevent such tragedies. Its just a matter of time until the next NBOME or bad batch of whatever is unleashed on the public, more lives will be destroyed. Just because getting in touch with your consciousness is such an evil sin and taboo it should never be considered.
 
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I have tried 25I and 25B orally several times. They are active at doses similar to sublingual or buccal and have pretty much the same effects, the only difference is the come-up time is about twice as long. I know from my own experiences it would be absolute insanity for me to swallow 30mg of any NBOMe....

Please, please, please stop repeating this myth that NBOMes are active orally at the same dosage as their parent compound, it could end up killing someone foolish enough to try it.
 
I've never been for banning of substances... Until the NBOMe series hit. Sorry, too toxic. Good riddance.
 
I agree with that....have heard to many bad things

I have never done them, and I love trying new psychs, but if offered a N-Bomb I would for surely refuse
 
I've never been for banning of substances... Until the NBOMe series hit. Sorry, too toxic. Good riddance.

+1 kids dying after being NBOMed draws very negative attention to all RCs, even the (presumably) harmless ones.
 
They're way too strong as agonists, dosing is haphazard at best... I had 25C-NBOMe,its the only one I had, and while it had no body load at the 700 mics I took, you could sense something sinister looming around the corner.

Thanks to those chemicals a number of my favorites that were far safer are gone now too. Fuck NBOMe and all their related substances. I'm glad that there are a limited amount of chemicals that work as bomamines or we would have deaths piling up even more...
 
I remember a report where someone ingested 150 mg nbome in a capsule thinking it was 5-abp or something. It was active and not recommended for anyone to repeat
 
Deadly High: How synthetic drugs are killing kids (CNN)

Meet a synthetic drug trafficker 04:20
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How synthetic drugs are killing kids 01:04
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Eighteen-year-old Christian Bjerk was a popular high school football player. The middle of Keith and Debbie Bjerk's three sons, he was looking forward to starting at North Dakota State College of Science in the fall of 2012 and playing on the college's football team.

But on the morning of June 11, 2012, Christian was found dead, lying face down on the sidewalk not far from his Grand Forks, North Dakota, home.

The police officer who broke the news to Christian's father was also Christian's youth football coach.

"He teared up, and I didn't know what was going on, and he said it's Christian, he's deceased," Keith Bjerk told CNN.

Keith last saw his son the night before as Christian was going out to buy gas. The Bjerks would later learn that their son ran into some teens he knew and went to a house party.

Not far from Christian's body, the police found two disoriented teenagers. One was naked on a bench, the other screaming at parked car. Right away, the police suspected that drugs were involved.

According to Mike Jennings, the detective on call that night, a search of the house where the party was held turned up a white powder, but police couldn't determine what it was.

Days later, another teen was dead, and again, a mysterious white powder was involved. Officers were racing to figure out exactly what these substances were.

Fatal reactions from mystery substance

Elijah Stai and his foster brother Justin Rippentrop came to Grand Forks from Park Rapids, Minnesota. They were celebrating Elijah's upcoming 18th birthday and visiting his cousin.

Elijah and Justin were hanging out with their cousin's boyfriend, Adam Budge, when according to Justin, he offered them a special treat -- a bag of chocolate he cooked with a white powder. Justin said that Adam told them the powder was an extract from psychedelic mushrooms.

Elijah was nervous, Justin said, because he had never tried psychedelic mushrooms before.

Soon after they ate the bag of laced chocolate, the hallucinations began.

"The trees looked like cauliflowers like dancing around," Justin recalled. "The sidewalks were swooping up and down like a roller coaster, and the grass was shooting up to the sky."

Justin said that he had tried psychedelic mushrooms once before, but he quickly realized this was something different.

Elijah started having a violent reaction to the drug. He was convulsing uncontrollably, foaming at the mouth and hitting his head. By the time the ambulance arrived, Justin said he knew Elijah was gone.

Elijah was rushed to Grand Fork's Altru Hospital, where Dr. Qasim Durrani, an ICU physician treated him. Dr. Durrani said Elijah was suffering from multiple organ failure and had also gone into cardiac arrest.

Elijah was brain dead. On June 15, 2012, after three days in the hospital, his family decided to disconnect his life support.

"It was an unusual overdose," said Durrani. "The dilemma was, what has he taken?"

Parents share memories and warnings

The new world of drug dealing

Elijah's death, the second in two days from a mysterious drug sent shock waves through the community.

It took the state lab a week to identify that the mysterious powders were synthetic designer drugs -- drugs that law enforcement in North Dakota had never heard of before. Elijah and Christian had died from taking these drugs.

"When we learned they were 2C-I-NBOMe, and 2C-C-NBOMe, that was new to us," said Chris Myers, North Dakota's top federal drug prosecutor.

2C-I-NBOMe (also known as 25I-NBOMe) and 2C-C-NBOMe are synthetic designer drugs, chemicals designed to imitate the high of the banned drug LSD. These synthetic designer drugs are so potent that a dose the size of a few grains of salt can be enough to get high.

In the past four years, more than 300 synthetic designer drugs with names such as Spice, N-bombe and K2, have flooded into the United States.

Opinion: Why these drugs are your problem, too

"These drugs are being marketed and sold as legal alternatives to marijuana, cocaine, meth and heroin," said John Scherbenske of the DEA.

As states and the federal government race to "schedule" or ban chemical compounds, the manufacturers are staying one step ahead of the law by constantly changing the drugs' chemical composition.

"The chemical companies are altering the compound ever so slightly to avoid our laws here in the United States. Once they alter that chemical, it is no longer a controlled substance," said Scherbenske.

According to the DEA, the majority of the chemical companies manufacturing synthetic drugs are in China. The U.S. government and other Western countries have been putting pressure on the Chinese government to ban certain chemicals and to stop the export of these chemicals worldwide.

In the new world of drug dealing, the chemicals are manufactured overseas, sold online in bulk and imported into the United States, where they are assembled and packaged for resale. These drugs are then labeled as research chemicals, not for human consumption, to avoid prosecution.

Scherbenske said there is no known legitimate purposes for these chemicals.

The drugs that killed Christian and Elijah were not banned by the DEA at the time of their death. The teens' parents had never even heard of 2C-I-NBOME.

What you need to know about synthetic drugs

"I had to go to the Internet, and look up information on it," said Keith Bjerk. "I didn't really know what it was, I didn't get how dangerous they were."

In North Dakota, law enforcement was trying to track where the new drugs came from and figure out how to get them off the street. The investigation quickly led them to Budge.

"Adam Budge early on in the investigation was the common link [between] the two overdoses," said prosecutor Myers.

According to Myers, Budge, who was 18 at the time, melted the 2C-I-NBOME powder into chocolate that he gave to Elijah, and also sold some of the same drug to Wesley Sweeney, also then 18, who gave it to Christian Bjerk.

Myers said Budge didn't know exactly what the powder was, because he stole it from a drug dealer named Andrew Spofford, 22, who bought it over the Internet from an online company called Motion Resources.

Teen's life changed after smoking synthetic marijuana

An investigation in motion

Motion Resources founder Charles Carlton started the online company in 2011, when he saw how easy it was to buy psychedelic designer drugs online from overseas.

Carlton said he was using synthetic designer drugs himself when realized that "there was money to be made in distributing them in small quantities."

His website would become a boutique drug dealership for enthusiasts, shipping synthetic drugs all over the country.

Though the company's product mimicked the illegal drug LSD, Carlton said the chemicals he was selling weren't yet banned in the United States. He set up shop in an office building, even registered with the secretary of state, and went to work.

"I was an employee of my own company, getting a W-2, we had full payroll services," said Carlton. "I mean we knew we were walking a very fine line as far as the law was concerned, but at the time, we felt that we were on the right side of it."

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Of course these types of shows never talk about the fact that if LSD and mushrooms were available legally, which no one ever dies from, these synthetics wouldn't be so widespread.
 
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