Drug Fucked Kiddies

k. I am not out to offend the younger people on this board, but I am after some clarification. All of this comes about after my attentendce at Heresy in perth. Heresy was billed as an all-ager event which I am usually a bit dubious in attending but d&b was the music provided and being a d&b nut I decided to attend.
without putting to fine a point on it, I was FUCKN HORRIFFIED. I am talking 8 year olds outta their heads, 13 year olds with attitudes up there with Mike Tyson. Those same outta their head 8 year olds trying to bum smokes off one of my mates (he didn't get anywhere!). I know that the younger generation are supposed to be maturing faster but this is beyond a fuckn joke. I felt ancient! (I am 21) We got there at 1:00 and there were kids just getting there... don't parents have curfews anymore??? I also hear through the grapevine that at the last all ages gigs there were plenty of strung out little un's on trips... I mean I have trouble at the best of times dealing with acid... I just can't help but think these kids are going to get bored awfully quickly.
Can I have some other input here... I would love to hear from a responsible younger person. And I am definitely NOT saying that all younger people at raves are fucked up... far from it... but I just find it a little bit disturbing.
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The Strange Guy with the Bright Girly Pink Strange Hair

I must say i agree with u sproing. I havent actually been to one b4, being 20 and ancient and all, but this is how i imagined it.
I cant see how organises of events like this, security etc, can sit there knowing an 8yr old is peaking off possibly the most powerful drug in our community today.
I mean at least an 18+ event is run under the guise of alcohol; but seriously we have kids here, staying up all night, and not drinking, um what r they going to be doing??!!
I dont like the thought of young people having XTC, their brains are still in a learning stage, and esp as it is such an emotional drug, i just cannot see how a 10, even a 15 yr old could comprehend the feelings they would be experiencing.
Dont get me wrong, i am all for these style of events, but just like innocent school socials, which were always in certain age brackets, u shouldnt have 8 and 10 yr olds mixing in that sort of environment with 16 and 18 yr olds.
It is plain wrong.

Yeah I was at Heresy and I totally agree with you. I dont know if there was any 8 year olds there, but i did see some who looked pretty bloody young. Im 19 and I thought I'd gotten lost and ended up at a day care centre.
I think these kids are too young to be exposed to this envrionment. When I see them I always think "Shouldn't they be in bed" or "What sort of parents let kids that young out."
In a way I think it ruins the scene for the rest of us, but maybe thats just my opnion.
Maybe they should make all ages raves 15+
What does everyone think?
[This message has been edited by Smiley^ (edited 15 September 2000).]

Well, at one of my fav venues in syd (61 regent) events usually are all ages, and at the events that are popular with younger kiddies, I always feel a bit wierd, and I'm only 21! I think it sucks when the average age is like 16...it just makes me feel like I am wearing three stripe track suit pants!
The thing is, because they are young, they either don't know fuck all about what they are doing, or they are trying to be hard bastards (they are sooo cute) and bite off more than they can chew!
When I was a kiddie, alcohol was a great way to get off my rocker, and now that I'm a bit more mature, lets just say that I don't drink so much anymore.... I'm of the opinion of 'all in good time'!
Sorry if I've offended anyone out there, but if you are looking at this site, you are obviously not a clueless kiddie (hopefully) and probably are up to taking on the whole scene and good luck to you, but just remember that good things come to those who wait and it is much more fun when you know what you're doing!
Cheers!
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I started raving, trips, speed and e when I was 15. I had already been smoking pot since I was 13.
I look back on it now and this is what I see:
- pot was an experimental thing, I did it for a few years and got bored.
- ecstasy was also experimental, only did it once...I didn't really enjoy it, and didn't try it again til I was 20 (when I could much better appreciate it)
- speed became my drug off choice from 16-18 (only used in moderation)
- acid completely fucked my head up for a while...I hated tripping, yet I would do it most weekends (it always felt so good when I was coming down...relief probably hehehe). It seriously affected my short term memory, concentration, attitude, self esteem and education. I really believe that if it hadn't of been for acid, I would have finished high school.
It really worries me how many young kids are taking acid...its just a cheap and easy to obtain drug to them, not a powerful psychedelic that has the potential to harm a mind that isn't ready for it, as I see it now

I first started the whole 'drug' thing when I was 14 ..
My first drug of choice was Acids .. Not pot ..not even alcohol! I guess coz they were the cheapest thing around ..10$ for an acid ..BargaiN! ..
Instead of buying 10$ worth of lollies like I should have been and not being old enough to buy alcohol .. I bought Trips! ..
From then on it was just speed and acids .. !
Till I hit 16 ..when I first started raving in '98. Seeing as I had tough Woggy parents I wasn't allowed out till then ..I guess that's a good thing though coz I didn't start the designer stuff till after my first rave .. !!
But whilst raving in 98 .. I didn't see any little 8 year olds kids running around .. the youngest I guess was my age then, 16, or possible even 15 ...but now things have changed .. Parents are slacking off .. and the younger kids are getting let out a lot earlier than some of us were allowed to when we were 8-11 .. !!
Especially if they have older siblings who are also into the rave scene .. they see them ..and want to do whatever their older bruva/sista is upto! ...
Anyways ... I totally agree with Smiley^ .. It is a great idea... !! Maybe raves should be limited to only 15+ .. and not advertised as all age ..

Funny, since DanceMusic has become so popular in Holland, we even have children raves here, with EXPENSIVE and FAMOUS DJ's.
The parents who had their party a few years ago are now escorting their 3-12 year olds to children raves. No beer, no joints, no nothing but music. Pretty cool, I must say ;-)
aj

I personally think this is a good topic even though it has the potential to offend some people...
***I agree with you people in regards to the suggestion that people are taking drugs at an age maybe a little bit young...you said you wanted a 'mature answer from someone younger' (or something similar) so i am going to give it a whirl...
It's very easy to generalise and say that a certain drug or certain 'scene' is more fitting to a person of a certain age or whatever but i have to say it is beginning to worry me a bit that my little brother who just recently stopped playing Playstation had just asked me if i knew what a rave was and if i could take him....he just recently turned 15 and it basically freaked the pants off of me when he asked!!!
.....Because parties are now the, (and i use the term lightly) 'trendy' thing to do amongst some highschool groups it ionly natural that some of them are going to throw themselves into it and turn themselves into what some of you call "drugg-fucked kiddies"... I don't like it, I don't like seeing it happen to some of my friends and ppl i know, but then again I am 17 and probably don't have 100% objectivity,
***This may be hipocritical(sp?) but i don't think that, as a generalisation people my age and younger should not be feasting their still-developing brains on all of these different drugs.
In hindsight i sort of wish i had waited because a mind that is still trying to come to terms with and understand personal issues such as identity and goals and basically growing up (which one never stops doing really) cant cope with the mental and emotional aspect of drug taking as well as someone maybe a few years older.
But i am only speaking for myself and everybody matures at their own rate and in their own way
But if I feel this way then i don't understand the concept of people as young as my little brother who seem to think the more drugs they stuff into their body, the better...at 15 and 16 i was quite content sitting in a park with my buddies drinking and smoking a few J's...ahhhh innocence...
On the other hand though you must also understand that their is a percentage of 'younger' people who do understand their own limits and what works well for them, and therefore can operate within those limitations ....
shit i have had a blather on here, and i didnt really follow any particular point but i just wanted to explain my point of view...
Remember guys that you too were once young and thirsty for extitement and stimulation, and hopefully still are...
But i do understand your point of view very much as I admit that if i were even just a couple of years older that i am i would probably be pretty shocked at the the way things look, .. it does sadden me actually.. i dont really like going out with alot of the people i know as they seem to ruin the experience as the number one point of the night is to get as fried as possible...
different courses for different horses
Did that make any sense at all???
Cheers
Lilly

a kid that i had met a few times in the past died a week ago after taking a pill that had a mix of Speed, Heroin and god knows what in it.
He had absolutely no clue as to what he was taking, and died in his sleep the next night.
He was 14 years old...and that is the saddest waste of a human life at any age...
...This is why i agree with you guys, this boy COULD have been my little brother and it's disgusting and frightening that it's come down to this..

I too was at Heresey in Perth... I felt really old and I'm only 20. I don't have a problem with older kids taking drugs occaisionally and responsibly but there were kids there that obviously had no clue. I felt sick... At that age there is no way I could have dealt with the side effects. Even now I can have issues...
Where are there parents? I don't understand how parents can let kids as young as 12 out until 6 in the morning. They should be having sleepovers. I don't mean to offend any responsible bluelighters... I just have a problem with 12 year olds taking drugs and staying out to all hours...

thank you lilly, I am glad that there are people out there that realise that there is a reason behind kiddie ravers... and I am incredibly sorry to hear the story of the 14 year old. But this is sort of what I mean, we created this board to give out info to people around the area without the problems of legality. But these smaller people are unaware places like this exist, I think the bigger point should be (at least in my eyes) is that these children should NOT NEED a site like this. As peedy says, bring on the sleepover and playing in the park and riding your bikes not A Class drugs for fuck sake...
here kiddie play with the loaded gun and try not to hurt anyone... this is what is happening as the 14 year old so unfortunately proved... drugs might be bad and evil etc but as adults we can make a well educated decision. I hardly knew anything about myself at that age, and I doubt very much whether these kids do too. I am also not generalizing just ecstacy use in the younger generation. What with the advert of dex-amphetimine every cat and kittens can whiz their heads off on pharmecutical grade speed. The large portion of the crowd at heresy were on dexies and this could've accounted for the attitude but still...
If you have younger siblings please PLEASE don't encourage them... educate yes, but don't encourage them.
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The Strange Guy with the Bright Girly Pink Strange Hair

Personally I am of the opinion that noone should try XTC, acid, speed, etc until they are 18. I know of no research that has been done on the effects of these drugs on developing brains, but I think the risk is too big to take - the permanent damage done to a brain that is still in a rapid stage of development would be (IMHO) far greater than the damage done to a mature brain.
So I reckon that raves should be limited to 18+. I know there is no way of enforcing this short of creating a new law tho. And lets face it, like any kind of drug prohibition, it wouldnt work - many kids would simply find somewhere else to try the drugs they have heard so much about. But it may limit the damage - many kids who would have tried E when going to a rave may not try it in another situation.
Anyone know of any research that has been done on MDMA effects on immature brains?
SpankY
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I must say I am in agreement, I tend to avoid raves which i know will have alot of youngsters, simply because the site of a kid pillin his nut off who obviously has absolutely no idea the consequences this may have, is a really good way to bring down even the best of pills.
My big sticking point is not so much that these kids are all fuked up, but that some1 is obviously supplying these kids, now theres a crime I reckon should be punishable by death. I mean how can u sit there and sell trips to a kid that age, all in the chase of the mighty buck,thats just wrong.
Personally I don't think we're gonna be able to stop it, but we don't have to go to the same events and watch it happen either, so i don't
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Addicted to the Atmosphere........

hehe... At the risk of sounding terribly uncool i would like to point out that i never started taking drugs, including smoking pot, till i was at uni. Sure, i had experimented with the occasional bong, and spent almost every weekend of yr 12 pissed outta my mind, but didn't ever feel the need to do anything more.
Sounds real boring right? But i still managed to have fun... First rave i ever went to, Sonic '98, my two mates, my GF and myself sat in my mates Hyundai Excel in the carpark and sculled varies bottles of bourbon and then swallowed some no-doze. Sure we weren't able to party past 2am, but we had an awesome time.
I worry bout my 12 yr old brother. I know he already knows too much, and i worry that i may not be the person he turns to for information bout drugs. I think 15+ raves are not just a good idea, but r totally fuckin necessary.

GoOsh has pointed out another good point i think. DD's should be ashamed to be selling shit to kids... My stepdad is always on about that they should be dealing with the dealers and not the users soo much. I think that is a point well made... DD's pick up your fuckn game!
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The Strange Guy with the Bright Girly Pink Strange Hair

I didnt start taking drugs until I was 18 (except for a bit of pot in Highschool)
And I'm glad I waited until then. I think these kids that are taking pills at 14/15 are walking an extremely thin line. At that age they just dont know what their bodies are able to handle. I can see whats going to happen in the near future. Some kid is going to overdose and the media will be all over it in a second. Then they're will be this huge crackdown by the police and government, and that will be the end of raves.
I hope this doesnt happen, and I think its up to us to discourage young teenagers from taking these sort of drugs. I think they need to learn to wait. 12yrs should not be out at 5 in the morning, they should be in bed at home. Well thats my opnion anyway.

Well, just to put in some perspective from a person of the younger generation, I thought I might post. I'm only 16, and I have really been debating whether or not I should continue this. I tried my first pill last spring, and I did it like 6 or 7 times, but I haven't done it since last June, and I decided that I would stop doing E, at least for now, because of the unknown effects it may have on the brain. Then I tried shrooms for the first time, and I realized that the psychadelic drugs were right up my alley. It was the most fun I've ever had. I didn't do it just to "get fucked up," it was like a totally different world for me. After that, a month or so later, I tried acid for the first time, and that was pretty incredible too. But since I don't know what this shit does to my brain, I'm afraid to keep doing it. I don't think I'll be doing acid or ecstasy until I turn 17 or 18... but I'm uncertain about shrooms. Let me also say, that never did I go overboard, or at least in my opinion, with any of the above mentioned drugs. I think there might've been ONE time where I did E two weekends in a row, but usually it was spaced out between 2-3 weeks, and I only did acid once, and shrooms twice. Any opinions on this?

I was actually chatting to a mate over the weekend about this - this is the same guy I dropped with the first time, at the tender age of 22.
And as he put it, you can't really enjoy the high you can get, to the fullest extent until you've enjoyed all the lows f being a teenager - hangovers, exams, love, etc.
I truly believe it takes life experience to really appreciate how good life can be.
You don't need to live all your life in one day (night). Trust me, it just keeps getting better with age. So wait, you'll appreciate it far more.

For ecstacy related research check out
http://www.maps.org/
Cheers,
Finn
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Ok, well I really like this thread.. it does bring up quite a few issues that are important and do concern most of us.
Underagers at parties - One problem I see with drawing the line of what age party-goers should be allowed to attend, is that on one hand, we would like to prevent young, immature and ill-informed persons from ruining themselves and going too far too early.. and having somewhere to do so.. but on the other hand, a personal opinion of mine is that there are people I know under the age of 18 who are intelligent, who aren't going too far, who appreciate good music and good parties, know the risks and go out to have a good, safe time, and are more the sort of people I would like to see at parties and have a good time with than a heap of people more than 10 years older than them who are just over the top, and are fuckin themselves up and running away from issues they should be dealing with by hiding in a world of parties and excessive drug taking.
And I dont really think there is ever going to be a real way of drawing the line, because though age is generally a good way of separating sensible/mature people and insensible/immature people, it is at the same time really inaccurate. So no, I dont believe people who are underage should be stopped from going to parties. At least not those 16 and above. Also, Biscuit, I disagree, I don't think anyone should be assuming that being at an all-night event automatically means that you'll be taking drugs, for the reason of being able to stay awake if not for other reasons. And I find alcohol usually just makes it harder to stay awake so thats got nothing to do with it either. I will always defend the rights of underagers who ARE at events for the music and are staying straight because they dont want to take the risk. At 17 I could have been getting ecstacy to take at big raves that I wanted to go to but because of Year 12, I didn't - I went, stayed straight and had a good time. And I feel sorry if people who are in that situation are prevented from going because we're trying to stop underagers from taking drugs. Yes, a lot of underagers, just like with overagers, are taking drugs.. but NOT ALL of them.
Young kids having access to hard drugs - What I think is disgraceful is that kids 15 years and younger have access to hard drugs in the first place - before they even get to events / parties. I am 19 soon, and so it wasnt so long ago that I cant remember what it was like being 15. I was experimenting with alcohol and weed.. and i remember my group of friends and i were always looking for things to do that made us what we thought of as "cool".. being "rebels".. doing dodgy things around the neighbourhoods etc.. And I will admit that if at that age I had access to hard drugs, i would have been fairly likely to have tried them because of the image of being cool and doing grown-up things. I guess the biggest reason I never tried hard drugs at that age or had any idea about it was because neither I or any of my friends had access to them and didnt know anyone who had any idea about them. This brings me to the same point that has been raised in here at least once already. What the hell is going through the minds of the drug-dealers that see profit through selling drugs as more important than the protection of kids that are as young as those that people have mentioned seeing fucked up at parties in this thread?
You cant expect kids at such a young age to think of the risks involved or be responsible.. they just want to be doing grown-up things and if they are anything like my friends and i were, they would want to be doing anything that they see as rebellious and "cool". I think its the dealers who have the responsibility to make sure that they dont sell to kids that are so young. There must be someone along the line that gives these young kids access to hard drugs.. because I am sure I'm safe to assume there arent any 13 year old drug-manufacturers. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that just dont care and are only thinking about themselves. And some of those are drug-dealers. Unfortunately there is no way that I can see this being controlled.
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