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Help! New Roxanne Oxymorphone 5mg IR Experience or Advice?
Hello all, SWIM has recently acquired some of the new Roxanne generic Opana 5mg IR. SWIM has been getting the Endo brand name as well as generic oxymorphone 5mg for several years (the beautiful baby blues), In any case the new pills are hard as a rock, white and probably only 5 -7mm across. The blue ones were incredibly easy to mash up and also had a sweet taste (probably the lactose stuff or corn starch).
So in any case, the Roxanne's have the following inactive ingredients : Magnesium Stearate, Microcrystallized Cellulose, Corn Starch. The one's SWIM has used for years had : lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, corn starch, FD&C Blue No. 2. So SWIM has noticed that the new roxannes are very hard to crush, but once crushed are an almost dust like consistency that seems rife for being inhaled into the lungs if insuffelated.
Regardless with OM, nasal dosing is by far the best way to ingest the stuff. How ever SWIM has noticed that even after 2 pills (doing about 1/4th at a time in small lines ...and 2- 1/2 pill lines) and has noticed that on a tissue there was some blood in SWIMs snot. Because of this SWIM grabbed some q-tips and noticed half a dozen little globs of yellowish/light green snot and a little blood. Im wondering if the blue dye had just covered up this effect in the past and therefore was not noticed, or if there is something caustic or irritating within the new generic Roxanne formulation.
Does anyone have experience with these new Roxanne OM 5mg or 10mg IRs? There was a supply issue and shortage of SWIMS normal brand pills and SWIM didnt have a choice because of this. In any case im debating if SWIM should not be snorting these new generics? I know that in the ER brands Silcated MCC is terrible on your lungs and can cause silicosis, but SWIM talked to poison control and was informed that MCC is considered a non-toxic filler and other than symptomatic coughing or breathing issues, there should not be a problem inhaling the substance. SWIM is wondering if maybe she is allergic (She has seasonal allergies to several trees and grasses) to the MCC or if others have experienced similar results? It seems possible that the corn starch, and magnesium stearate could also be combined in a different ratio and could cause the bleeding and globing, but has been suspicious of the MCC since it seems to be the only new ingredient in the Roxannes.
SWIM is also wondering if Magnesium Stearate, Corn Starch or Microcrystallized Cellulose can be absorbed into the bloodstream via intranasal ingestion? Ive read that all the ingredients are NOT water soluble, and I think that means that they will not be absorbed into the bloodstream in any meaningful quantity, while the Oxymorph IS water soluble and can be absorbed. Does anyone know of any problems with snorting these inactive ingredients or even better...does anyone have experience with the Roxanne OxyM IRs? SWIM had not been using opiates via nasal admin for the last week due to a shortage of his normal meds, and also thinks she could be experiencing the irritation, snot globing and blood specks due to the recent vacation from nasal ingestion.
I just want to make sure that SWIM isnt ingesting cornstarch, Magnesium Stearate, or MicroCC straight into her blood or lungs via nasal admin. Obviously any nasal consumption is going to have health issues, but I wanna make sure she is not really hurting herself or clogging her arteries or maybe even lungs with the dust (even though supposedly all these ingredients are non-toxic according to my research.
She has also tried using the new pills several other ways : crushed into dust then held under the tongue, swallowed normally, held between gums and cheek till it dissolves and parachuted ...all with minimal effectiveness. The new texture and fine particulate nature of these Roxannes seems to allow for more efficient nasal absorption as well, but due to the slightly unappealing new side effects SWIM is worried shes doing damage to herself or increasing risk of blod clots, lung problems, stroke or ENT tissue damage.
So some feedback would be greatly appreciated from any one with more info on the subject of these inactive ingredients being used nasally, as well as any input or experience using these new generic Roxanne Opana IR's. Hopefully this shortage only lasts a month or two because unless SWIM uses Oxymorphone nasally, SWIM is in excruciating chronic pain, and can rarely sleep more than 4 hours a night. Thanks everyone!
Hello all, SWIM has recently acquired some of the new Roxanne generic Opana 5mg IR. SWIM has been getting the Endo brand name as well as generic oxymorphone 5mg for several years (the beautiful baby blues), In any case the new pills are hard as a rock, white and probably only 5 -7mm across. The blue ones were incredibly easy to mash up and also had a sweet taste (probably the lactose stuff or corn starch).
So in any case, the Roxanne's have the following inactive ingredients : Magnesium Stearate, Microcrystallized Cellulose, Corn Starch. The one's SWIM has used for years had : lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, corn starch, FD&C Blue No. 2. So SWIM has noticed that the new roxannes are very hard to crush, but once crushed are an almost dust like consistency that seems rife for being inhaled into the lungs if insuffelated.
Regardless with OM, nasal dosing is by far the best way to ingest the stuff. How ever SWIM has noticed that even after 2 pills (doing about 1/4th at a time in small lines ...and 2- 1/2 pill lines) and has noticed that on a tissue there was some blood in SWIMs snot. Because of this SWIM grabbed some q-tips and noticed half a dozen little globs of yellowish/light green snot and a little blood. Im wondering if the blue dye had just covered up this effect in the past and therefore was not noticed, or if there is something caustic or irritating within the new generic Roxanne formulation.
Does anyone have experience with these new Roxanne OM 5mg or 10mg IRs? There was a supply issue and shortage of SWIMS normal brand pills and SWIM didnt have a choice because of this. In any case im debating if SWIM should not be snorting these new generics? I know that in the ER brands Silcated MCC is terrible on your lungs and can cause silicosis, but SWIM talked to poison control and was informed that MCC is considered a non-toxic filler and other than symptomatic coughing or breathing issues, there should not be a problem inhaling the substance. SWIM is wondering if maybe she is allergic (She has seasonal allergies to several trees and grasses) to the MCC or if others have experienced similar results? It seems possible that the corn starch, and magnesium stearate could also be combined in a different ratio and could cause the bleeding and globing, but has been suspicious of the MCC since it seems to be the only new ingredient in the Roxannes.
SWIM is also wondering if Magnesium Stearate, Corn Starch or Microcrystallized Cellulose can be absorbed into the bloodstream via intranasal ingestion? Ive read that all the ingredients are NOT water soluble, and I think that means that they will not be absorbed into the bloodstream in any meaningful quantity, while the Oxymorph IS water soluble and can be absorbed. Does anyone know of any problems with snorting these inactive ingredients or even better...does anyone have experience with the Roxanne OxyM IRs? SWIM had not been using opiates via nasal admin for the last week due to a shortage of his normal meds, and also thinks she could be experiencing the irritation, snot globing and blood specks due to the recent vacation from nasal ingestion.
I just want to make sure that SWIM isnt ingesting cornstarch, Magnesium Stearate, or MicroCC straight into her blood or lungs via nasal admin. Obviously any nasal consumption is going to have health issues, but I wanna make sure she is not really hurting herself or clogging her arteries or maybe even lungs with the dust (even though supposedly all these ingredients are non-toxic according to my research.
She has also tried using the new pills several other ways : crushed into dust then held under the tongue, swallowed normally, held between gums and cheek till it dissolves and parachuted ...all with minimal effectiveness. The new texture and fine particulate nature of these Roxannes seems to allow for more efficient nasal absorption as well, but due to the slightly unappealing new side effects SWIM is worried shes doing damage to herself or increasing risk of blod clots, lung problems, stroke or ENT tissue damage.
So some feedback would be greatly appreciated from any one with more info on the subject of these inactive ingredients being used nasally, as well as any input or experience using these new generic Roxanne Opana IR's. Hopefully this shortage only lasts a month or two because unless SWIM uses Oxymorphone nasally, SWIM is in excruciating chronic pain, and can rarely sleep more than 4 hours a night. Thanks everyone!
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