(4FA/120 mg)+(MDMA) First time combo

Right people now that I have everything fresh...

Today I received my 4FA, and was hoping to try it on its own, but things got a bit messy down the road.

So at (T-0:00) I measure out 120 mg of 4FA. Mix it up with some fruit juice, as when I tasted it during the allergy test had a horrendous taste.

(T+ 0:20) Placebo feelings

(T+ 0:35) Feels like an mdma comeup, very similar.

(T+ 0:50) Same comeup feeling,

(T+ 1:00) Comeup subsides to something more tranquil, Felt like I had underdosed. Looked at some porn though and got a bit excited

(T+ 01:10) Decide to mix it up a bit, with some methylone, which was actually my baggie with mdma in it. All the times in the past I remember my methylone to be a yellowish colour, so this is what went down... 50 mg 4FA and 100 mg of mdma, note this could be more, as my eyesight was hindered, so give or take some bits :D Edit: was using scales, but as stated eyesight might have mixed a 5 for a 6, so give or take some mgs.. aaa and the mdma was from clear crystals so when crushed up well become a whitish powder. Should have not removed the label from the methylone baggie I guess...

(T+ 01:40) BANG, what a rush, truly and utterly unbelievable... I was floored completely, dancing in my room, really somewhere else

(T + 03:00) Still buzzing, but not that intense

(T+4:00) Still feeling the affects...

(T+ 06:25) Everything has resided besides the stimulation, which is not that bad.

Other points: My voice sounds a bit squeaky for some reason. Constantly felt like I needed to have a piss, and would try to [ I do this a lot in any cases with mdma, surprisingly not with methylone ]

That for now, and my chest does have a very mild pain to it, which is strange as I have done stupid amount of drugs in the past and bar, mephedrone, had never really felt anything.

In any case I am thinking of redosing, just to see if it will have any effect, small one say 75mg.

I redosed at (T +7:00) with 75mg 4FA and 100mg mdma

Intense rush, a lot more jittery, like doing normal amp with mdma...

And I have only gotten to baseline now after (T + 30:00) as I could not find my benzos...

Was not as bad a speed comedown, but I have never felt so drained of my energy before...

Was a great time, and I think the synergy with these two is something else, but as they act in very similar ways, both substances I think enhance each other, so maybe I should have gone with smaller doses it seems.

I like your avatar dude.

Sounds great. I am planning on trying the M1 and 4-fa combo but your post has got me thinking again about whether 4-fa and 6 or 5-apb might not be superb too (at low dosages of each ofcourse!)

Could you comment a bit more about chest pains though? I ask becuase the worst panic attacks and chest pains i ever got was from binging on the original neoorganics range which contained 4-fa, mephedrone and other chems.

Happy2c-ib said:

Sounds great. I am planning on trying the M1 and 4-fa combo but your post has got me thinking again about whether 4-fa and 6 or 5-apb might not be superb too (at low dosages of each ofcourse!)

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I'd love to try the (5)(6)-APB/4-FA combo, their durations seem to match well. Although I've never tried 4-FA as I can't find a vendor (except one which doesn't ship to UK) and I won't be trying 5-APB till next week.

If I get some MDMA in soon though and manage to find some 4FA from somewhere I'll definately try the combo, as I always thought pure MDMA was enhanced with a pinch on Amp, so I'd imagine the combo would be similar.

Happy2c-ib said:

Sounds great. I am planning on trying the M1 and 4-fa combo but your post has got me thinking again about whether 4-fa and 6 or 5-apb might not be superb too (at low dosages of each ofcourse!)

Could you comment a bit more about chest pains though? I ask becuase the worst panic attacks and chest pains i ever got was from binging on the original neoorganics range which contained 4-fa, mephedrone and other chems.

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hmmm, 6-apb or 5-apb are substances which I have yet to try, and probably won't for a long time until more conclusive reports are out there, so can't comment on that.

4fA and methylone would mix very well imo, as I enjoy both substances. That was my initial plan at the time, but oh well, things change some time and used the md. Some fellow bluelighters recommend dropping around 130-140mg of 4fa and after about 3 hours to use 180mg of methylone. My usual dose for methylone is 230-250mg so was told to step it down to 180mg. I will try this in the near future.

As for the chest pains, very mild, but I usually get them the day after I have stims, i.e. mephedrone. Nothing to write home about.

Poodles! said:

If I get some MDMA in soon though and manage to find some 4FA from somewhere I'll definately try the combo, as I always thought pure MDMA was enhanced with a pinch on Amp, so I'd imagine the combo would be similar.

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Pure amp though does not have any empathy to it, just pure euphoric rushes. 4fa though has empathogenic attributes so really steps everything up. So use less md that you normally as the 4fa will enhance a lot of effects of mdma.

never combined the two.

Ghostface said:

Pure amp though does not have any empathy to it, just pure euphoric rushes. 4fa though has empathogenic attributes so really steps everything up. So use less md that you normally as the 4fa will enhance a lot of effects of mdma.

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This sounds promising. I was worried that 4-FA's SERT affinity might interfere with MDMA's and hence interfere with the magic, whereas straight amp has negligable effect on SERT and so just adds to the rushes whilst leaving the magic intact.

100mg 4fa, 120mg mdma and 12mg 2cb were a winng combo

I am thinking of dropping something Very similar to that combo in 2 weeks time Mona Lisa, maybe 150mdma.

So excited, Andy C 6 hours at Fabric :D