Piperazine? (in depth)

I started rolling in about 1999. I've rolled way too much. Like overkill and I'm afraid of permanent brain damage..... so yea im well educated on mdma and pills and so on. i usually only do molly now because of the junk in the pills now adays. been using this site and pillreports foreva

ok..... I used to own a testing kit. I don't remember them testing for piperazine. On the new testing kits do they have a color for "piperazine"?

as far as i remember rolls used to containe MDXX, amphetamine/speed, dxm,Ketamine (people claimed), heroin (people claimed but thats a huge negative). Now it seems like every pill people claim piperazine to be in them. Seems like 75% of them have it if not more......

If this is true why is that piperazine is frequently in them. Is it a cheap chemical to obtain. Too my understanding piperazine is much like MDA?
How do people know it is piperazine in the pills... testing kit? rumor someone started? people mistaken it as MDA?

This piperazine is getting me aggravated. I never took it. Don't plan on it. And according to pillreports its in every dam pill lol

piperazine is cheap and legal throughout the world. Speed is illegal. Fucking europe and NZ had to ruin it, allowing motherfuckers to sell piperazines completely legally as an ecstasy replacement.Methbombs sound a lot better than pipes..

i agree methbombs are alot better then pipes. if theres at least some mdxx in them

eh..havent had a methbomb myself, but people actually USE meth and like it enough to ruin their lives because of it. NOBODY likes pipes very much.

Pips entered my world just a few months ago. I was out of the pill scene for a year then I came across these mitzubishis, which I was told by very close experienced friends that they were brilliant. But I was a bit skeptical because I knew from pillreports that most if not all mitsubizhis nowadays are not MDMA. Anyway I got some but did not consume until after I tested them. The test showed no reaction (No MDMA probably pips) Anyway I was pissed off, but I still had the pills.
I got drunk one day and hey!! presto I dropped 1. The experiance was no way near as nice as the MDMA experiance!! but there was a sertain similarity to MDMA and I even thought for part of the roll that there was some LSD in them. At the begining it was very similar to MDMA,rolling and that but later on it became very hallusigenic. to be honest, and I hate myself for saying this, but I found it was a good buzz!!
Unfortunatelly at the moment these mitzubishis are plentiful so I have droped several more since that first time. But once some proper MDMA come my way I will jump on them and buy as many as I can even if I have to sell my house!!
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By the way I actualy thought pips were illegal now!!in the UK anyway!

No, MOST testing kits do not have a specific color for a piperazine pill, unfortunately. I wish, it'd save so many of us the trouble of consuming piperazines.

Yes, piperazines very much mimic the effects of MDMA. Sadly, a lot of people are not even to distinguish between a piperazine pill and a good MDMA pill. I believe this is due to the frequency of piperazines appearing in the pill scene.

I respect your decision to not partake in the consumption of pipes, my friend! If we ALL did this, I believe we could eventually put an end to, or at least slow down the making of pipes!

The thing with pipes too is that a very small percentage of people who take them actually like them. The majority of people think they're okay when you're high but the come down SUCKS and is way not worth it. Then there's another small percentage that get very very ill from pipes. Between the people that like them and the people who will take them just to get high and deal with the hangover pipes will always have a place in the scene. Blech.

And I believe that in most places pipes sold as ecstasy are illegal, but the chemicals used to make them are not. Here's more info on Piperazines: http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/bzp

I read on multiple sites including Erowid that pipes is an awful drug, short lived, and yes a terrible comedown. I'm all set with this crappy research drug. Why can't rolls be like they used to be. Mostly all MDXX substances

LSDMDMA&AMP I've most definitely had a meth bombs before or it was most definitely speed. What ever speed substance it was I know about 6 pills later I felt like my heart was gunna explode. I felt like bouncing around the room like a pinball. One friend wanted to take me to the hospital. Another friend said relax man I'm sure you've been this fucked up before.

Caroline you wish there was LSD in those pills.lol... Has there ever been a pill that tested for LSD? That would be amazing if rolls did have LSD

LSDMDMA&8422722 said:

piperazine is cheap and legal throughout the world. Speed is illegal. Fucking europe and NZ had to ruin it, allowing motherfuckers to sell piperazines completely legally as an ecstasy replacement.Methbombs sound a lot better than pipes..

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LSDMDMA&8423817 said:

eh..havent had a methbomb myself, but people actually USE meth and like it enough to ruin their lives because of it. NOBODY likes pipes very much.

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WOW – you are wrong!

Firstly when Piperazines were introduced (as a legal high) they were 'legal' the world over. Secondly MILLIONS of people 'enjoy' piperazines!

To the original poster NO kit will tell you that you have a piperazine pill - its normally the zero effect that you look for (nothing on Marquis, Mecke then ...Piperazine is the usual culprit).

Why - In short they were legal - easy to obtain and gives a high that people (who have never had MDMA) could mistake it for. Basically it gets people fkd up and for so many users that take pills that is all they want.

Certain piperazines 'mimic' the effects of different drugs - MDMA - Speed - Lsd etc but they never ever come even close to the real thing and always come with a more 'toxic' feel (than the original).

Dont forget that 'Piperazine' isnt just 'A' drug but a family of drugs - the usual piperazines used when making 'Fake' Ecstasy pills are BZP, Tmfpp, Mcpp etc - but viagra also belongs to the same group.

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eh..havent had a methbomb myself, but people actually USE meth and like it enough to ruin their lives because of it. NOBODY likes pipes very much.

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straight truth.

Bearlove thanks for the response. thats was good info.

I've never taken pipes (i try to stay away from Research Chemicals like that) but I'm well familar with MDMA and I bet I could instantly tell the difference.

Damn chemists please stop making Rolls so damn dirty

Hi, caroline55!

How are you? I sent you an email thorugh this thing but I guess it didn't arrive. I'd love to meet you and hang out and talk. haha. This is my email aizenmyoo at live dot com dot mx. I can't send privete messages yet, sorry. Hope you see this, write me andI'll give you my number and all that! Blessings, Caroline!

I feel like I'm the bad one of this thread due to my slight positive talk about pips.
But I must say again the they dont come close to MDMA. NO WAY!!

Regarding pills having LSD, Bearlove cleared this for me a while back. No pills have LSD.

Yes pipes are the most common drug in pills nowadays and its cheaper and easier to make, hell isnt even illegal in alot of countrys including canada where most of americas pills come from. You definatly have just as good of a chance of getting a pipe as u do a clean pill. They suck ass to. They by far do not mimic mdma at all. Bzp is very much like speed, but all the rest fuckin suck. Not even close to the feeling of mdma at all

LSDMDMA&8423817 said:

eh..havent had a methbomb myself, but people actually USE meth and like it enough to ruin their lives because of it. NOBODY likes pipes very much.

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To be honest I've had both pipes and meth bombs, and meth bombs are way worse imo. The roll from pipes isn't that worse compared to MDMA, and there is no crash. The only downside is that pipes can keep you up for hours or even a day after the roll, and the after effects tend to be worse than MDMA.

Meth bombs were probably the worst experience I've ever had with drugs. At first there is intense euphoria, but after that you get irritated at an unbelievable level. There is no position that is comfortable, and you have to change positions every 2 seconds. You can't sleep, so your just stuck with both physical and mental dysphoria for hours after. The irritation lasts all through the day after.

People use meth because the initial pleasure is amazing. Personally it is not in any way worth it due to the after effects, but I can understand why people use it.

Imo people bomb on pipes way too much, they really aren't that bad. Some of my best rolls have been pipes, and there are some people out there who actually like pipes over MDMA.