Ten in hospital after 2C-B rave

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A group of revellers were rushed to hospital after taking a psychedelic drug rarely seen before by Nottingham's emergency services. The dealer who supplied them is awaiting sentence and the city's drug services are relaying the lessons learnt. REBECCA SHERDLEY and MICHAEL GREENWELL report

WHEN 10 people were rushed to hospital in the early hours of November 16 last year, medics found themselves dealing with something new.

They are trained to deal with overdoses and side-effects from a variety of drugs, but the symptoms exhibited by this group of people were different and alarming.

They were suffering vivid hallucinations, extreme anxiety and some of their heart rates were at worryingly high levels.

Some of the group – including six students from the University of Nottingham – said they had taken 2C-B, a drug "rarely seen" in the city.

It has been described as a cross between ecstasy and LSD, which propels users into an energetic state mixed with hallucinations and disorientation.

It is often dealt in capsules containing a dose of the drug, but the 10 people, who would eventually be hospitalised, may have taken 2C-B in an unmeasured, powder form.

Inspector Nigel English, of Notts Police drugs directorate, said: "2C-B is a synthetic drug, and one that we have rarely come across in the last few years.

"It could be that those who took it were unfamiliar with the drug and unaware of its potential side-effects or safe dosage levels.

"It may be that they mistook it for another more common drug, like ecstasy or amphetamine, and assumed it could be taken in a similar quantity."

The night had started at a house before moving to a Lenton venue for a club night called Firefly.

The Marcus Garvey Centre, or The Ballroom, is a venue popular with University of Nottingham students and dance music fans throughout the city.

But before long, staff at the venue had alerted police and emergency services because of the group's panicked and unusual behaviour.

Two of the 10 who were rushed to hospital were transferred to the high dependency unit of Nottingham's Queen's Medical Centre.

Their condition was closely monitored over the next 48 hours.

Drug-dealer Andrew Brewer, 24, of Ellesmere Road, West Bridgford, was among the 10.

He had also supplied ketamine to the group, a dangerous tranquilliser more commonly used among recreational drug users and more well known to hospital staff.

Emergency services, Notts Police, the University of Nottingham and Nottingham Crime and Drugs Partnership worked together to ensure that more people were not endangered.

There were fears that a batch of 2C-B was circulating in the city.

Steve Youdell, Nottingham Crime and Drugs Partnership, said: "To the best of our knowledge the use of the drug 2C-B in Nottingham is very rare.

"The incident in November is the first if its kind that has been brought to our attention.

"Following the information that was passed on to us by Notts Police we issued an alert to all the agencies in the city that are in contact, or potentially in contact with drug users, which is a standard procedure.

"This alert contained the facts as we understood them and asked services to offer harm reduction advice as appropriate in the unlikely event that any of their clients come across this drug."

Drug education charities which advise and support people who misuse drugs, particularly ones who work with clubbers, were urged to be vigilant.

Manager Neil Brooks, of city-based charity Chill Out Sound Support, said: "Ketamine, ecstasy, MDMA and cocaine are the drugs we commonly encounter and cause the most problems.

"We were alerted at the time of this but have not encountered 2C-B since."

Andrew Brewer is due to be sentenced at Nottingham Crown Court, on October 27, for 11 counts of supplying drugs.

The six University of Nottingham students have since graduated.

None of the group except Brewer were charged with drugs offences.

A University of Nottingham spokesman said: "We have liaised closely with Notts Police, both during the incident and since, and have co-operated fully with their investigation.

"The supplier of the drug, Andrew Brewer, is not and has never been a student of the University of Nottingham.

"Six of the other 10 individuals involved are former students of the university who graduated in summer 2009.

"While we do not discuss individual discipline cases, the university does not condone the supply or possession of any drugs.

We have very firm policies to deal with such offences, including sanctions such as fines, suspension and exclusion.

"Police and/or court action is also taken into consideration and in this case the university is satisfied that these six students were dealt with appropriately by Notts Police without court proceedings being initiated.

"Appropriate advice and support on the misuse of drugs is provided for by the University Student Services in conjunction with the Students' Union.

"This work is further supported by the work of our off campus manager for student affairs who regularly advises our off-campus student community."

Melanie Renwick, of the University of Nottingham Students' Union, said: "We do not encounter any students who come to the Students' Union looking for support or advise if they have a drug problem.

"Our Student Advice and Representation Centre would be the first port of call if they did and they would be advised according to their particular circumstances."

Further information on 2-CB is available on the FRANK website, www.talktofrank.com.

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2c-b is an absolutely wonderful drug. It only lasts 4-6 hours and the dosing is VERY minimal. 15-20mgs of a pure powder is all you'd need to blast off on the drug. 10-20mgs on the table would be the smallest key bump. Guesstimating or incorrect dosing could have caused this because it's very easy to make the mistake of measuring out 10mgs than 50mgs if you don't have a milligram scale. Even a .01 scale isn't accurate enough for doses of this drug, but you could weigh .01 or .02 and then take the powder and split it in half for the doses and you'd have anywhere from 5-10mgs if your scale was accurate enough.

Still, taking way more than the recommended dose of any psychedelic just takes experience calming yourself and others and some mental strength to keep it under control if you're in public. Not mixing it with other drugs and not smoking the ganja helps control it too. Weed amplifies it like a mofo.

You can't overdose on 2c-b though. I mean it is probably possible to have medical complications because of the drug but I don't think the drug itself can kill you even in high doses.
 
10 people is more than you would expect to be hospitalised for 2CB in one night. People really ought to learn to measure doses carefully, drugs like 2CB aren't ones you want to go eyeballing doses or eating multiple caps of.
 
Hmm, do you think it could be an error/typo, and it was supposed to be 2C-B-fly? What is allegedly 2C-B-fly has been killing/hospitalizing people lately, seems more likely than 2C-B, which I thought was pretty inert. That seems more likely than confusing it for MDMA... if it's "pure" powder, the buyer specifically sought out the substance, so would know what it was. Would high (i.e. 100mg, MDMA range doses) doses of 2C-B actually threaten your life?
 
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Ketamine a "dangerous tranquilliser"?! WTF? It isn't even a tranquilliser, let alone a dangerous one.

Fucking clueless reporting again!!


...oh, and 2C-b new? and rare in Nottingham? It's been used for years without incident, so maybe the fact that they think it is new/rare shows how 'safe' substance it is because it's one of the easiest illegal RCs to get in the area.
 
Trilobite said:
Hmm, do you think it could be an error/typo, and it was supposed to be 2C-B-fly? What is allegedly 2C-B-fly has been killing/hospitalizing people lately, seems more likely than 2C-B, which I thought was pretty inert.
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I was kinda thinking the same thing.

The ID of the drug in question is speculative at best. 10 people needing to be hospitalized seems like more than just a coincidental mass bad reaction to 2C-B, seems the material was actually dangerous. Also, not many people have heard of "2C-B-fly," but 2C-B is relatively well known among drug users, especially ecstasy users. It's not a stretch that someone would try to pass (what they thought was) 2C-B-fly off as 2C-B.
 
Trilobite said:
Hmm, do you think it could be an error/typo, and it was supposed to be 2C-B-fly? What is allegedly 2C-B-fly has been killing/hospitalizing people lately, seems more likely than 2C-B, which I thought was pretty inert. That seems more likely than confusing it for MDMA... if it's "pure" powder, the buyer specifically sought out the substance, so would know what it was. Would high (i.e. 100mg, MDMA range doses) doses of 2C-B actually threaten your life?
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Think you could have something there, even 100mg+ of 2cb seems very unlikely to cause hospitalisation on this scale.
 
Well the 2c-b-fly incident is fairly new, but these people were hospitalized in November last year, the person who supplied it is being sentenced soon which is why the article was written/posted.

I now find it stranger how they got themselves hospitalized :\
 
2-CB and alcohol are synergistic IME, so if these people were consuming highish doses say 25 to 30 mgs of reasonably pure material along with plenty of alcohol things could get uncomfortably intense, combined with the strange body sensations that 2-cb often gives then it is easy to get into a panic state.

2-CB can get pretty nasty at higher doses, beyond 25mgs of pure HCl salt things rapidly get more intense combined with greater and greater physical stimulation.
 
lol @ them thinking 2C-B is that underground anywhere, though :/

Hospitals should have at least one or two staffs fully up to date on Research chemicals imo, no matter the place.
 
Evad said:
Think you could have something there, even 100mg+ of 2cb seems very unlikely to cause hospitalisation on this scale.
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There's no hard data on the LD50 of 2CB but anecdotes suggest it could be well above 200mg. I'm betting on it being some other RC with a lower lethal dosage combined with inexperienced users who didn't understand how much they should take & took way too much.
 
That's bullshit that because some people don't know how to dose or can't master their high the dude they got the stuff from gets royallw fucked over. Are we allowed to sue alcohol companies when we drink to much, crash our cars, and get ticketed for bullshit charges? no. i don't see the difference.
 
I've snorted close to 60mg in the course of a couple hours before. I was fine, confined to my home, unable to really get up off the couch- it would have been a hell of a different story if I found myself stuck out in public though.
 
I believe shulgin swallowe 100 mg once by mistake (or i might be mistaken and that was 2c-e) but he was fine and i cant imagine them having bought more than 100 mg and doing it all at once. Either the drug they took wasn't actually 2C-B or this is pure bullshit...
 
Psilo707 said:
Hospitals should have at least one or two staffs fully up to date on Research chemicals imo, no matter the place.
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they can start by recruiting toxicologists off BL. i need a job :( anywho... a party where 2c-b flows freely huh? sounds like my kind of shit! even if it does involve eyed out doses 8o
 
A mate accidently snorted 100mg+ of 2C-B once thinking it was ketamine. He had a bad trip so went to hospital because he also had meth, mdma, mda, LSD, ethylone, mdpv and mephedrone then 2 bottles of vodka, major handfuls of benzos, barbituates, codeine to try and sleep, then he snorted the K in his system too. So it was kind of needed. trying to only snort a few mg's from it to goto dream land but it all went in his nose and complained of it stinging like hell. Then realised it was actually the 2CB bag which had over 100mg in it. He was fine after a few hours but fluids from the alcohol and stimulants were really really down and apparently needed 4 litres+ of fluids IV.

But anyway this was Bromodragonfly mislabelled as 2CB-Fly and they must of all thought it was 2CB. Maybe its time to not use fly names. As soon as some newbie would see 2CB-fly on a site they probably would think its 2CB.
 
hmm...probably that batch of 2C-B fly going about...

I (shut up, I'm not being irresponsible) ALWAYS eyeball my 2C-B doses and have never had any trouble with it, even insufflated doses of 30mg so I doubt this is 2C-B...unlessit was poorly synthesized - as I have been told that a certain vendor would not sell 2C-B anymore as it was made illegal in their country after a bad synthesis, so it couldbe true.
 
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