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[size=+1]Ecstasy's long-term effects revealed[/size]
11 February 2009 by Graham Lawton
NewScientist issue 2695


THEY called it the second summer of love. Twenty years ago, young people all over the world donned T-shirts emblazoned with smiley faces and danced all night, fuelled by a molecule called MDMA. Most of these clubbers have since given up ecstasy and are sliding into middle age. The question is, has ecstasy given up on them?

Enough time has finally elapsed to start asking if ecstasy damages health in the long term. According to the biggest review ever undertaken, it causes slight memory difficulties and mild depression, but these rarely translate into problems in the real world. While smaller studies show that some individuals have bigger problems, including weakened immunity and larger memory deficits, so far, for most people, ecstasy seems to be nowhere near as harmful over time as you may have been led to believe.

The review was carried out by the UK Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), an independent body that advises the UK government on drug policy. Its headline recommendation is that, based on its harmfulness to individuals and society, MDMA should be downgraded from a class A drug - on a par with heroin and cocaine - to class B, alongside cannabis.

Nobody is arguing that taking ecstasy is risk-free: its short-term effects are fairly uncontroversial. MDMA is toxic, though not powerfully so - an average person would need to take around 20 or 30 tablets to reach a lethal dose. And for a small fraction of people, even small amounts of ecstasy can kill. For example, around half a million people take ecstasy every year in England and Wales, and 30 die from the acute effects, mostly overheating or water intoxication.

What has been unclear, however, is whether ecstasy use causes long-term health problems and if so, how much you would need to take to be at risk.

In animal studies the drug has been shown to inflict lasting damage to the brain's serotonin system, which is involved in mood and cognition. Imaging studies have found signs of similar damage in human users, but there are debates over whether this is caused by ecstasy use and whether the damage has any real-life consequences.

The ACMD based their review largely on a study they commissioned from Gabriel Rogers and Ruth Garside of the Peninsula Medical School in Exeter, UK. They pulled together all the research from around the world that attempted to assess the health of people who have taken ecstasy, and reanalysed the data from the 110 studies that dealt with long-term effects.

They found that compared with non-users, people who took even a small amount of ecstasy at some point consistently performed worse on psychometric tests, which measure mental performance, especially memory, attention, and executive function, which includes decision-making and planning.

The most pronounced effects are on memory, mainly verbal and working memory. While the ability to plan is somewhat affected, other aspects of executive function are not. Focused attention - the ability to zoom in quickly on a new task - suffers too, though sustained attention does not.

It is a similar story with depression. "There's a small but measurable effect," says Rogers.

These effects appear not just in current users but also in ex-users who haven't touched the drug for at least six months, suggesting that the problems are long-lasting. Strangely, there seems to be no link between the quantity taken and the severity of cognitive problems, suggesting that even a few doses can lead to these deficits.

Superficially, this adds up to a pretty depressing outlook for the e-generation, especially those who dabbled years ago but have since quit. Not so, says Rogers. Subtle differences in lab tests do not necessarily translate into real-life problems: "They're statistically significant, but whether they are clinically significant is another matter."

For example, there is little evidence that people are actually affected by the memory and attention deficits picked up in the lab tests. "They don't seem to be very big and it is not clear that they have much effect on day-to-day functioning," he says.

Meanwhile, people who have taken ecstasy are, on average, still within the normal bounds on standard depression tests. Although they score worse than people who haven't taken ecstasy, the scores aren't bad enough to warrant a diagnosis from a doctor. "There's no indication that they are drifting out of normal functioning," says Rogers.

He also warns that his results need to be taken with a pinch of salt because most studies are based on self-reports of ecstasy use, often combined with other drugs and alcohol, from people who have volunteered to take part. These confounding factors make it impossible to determine whether you have a representative sample of users, whether people's reported use correlates with how much they actually took and what effects can be blamed on MDMA.

Psychopharmacologist Val Curran of University College London says Roger's analysis "is about the best you can make of the overall mishmash". She agrees with his conclusion that on average there seems to be no evidence of any meaningful effects on daily life.

Others have a different take on it. Andrew Parrot of the University of Swansea, UK, who has been studying the health of ecstasy users since the mid-1990s says: "We see users who have taken bucket-loads and they have very severe problems." These include memory deficits, sleep disturbances, depression, weakened immunity and sexual dysfunction, he says.

Based on his own studies, he believes that almost everyone who has taken 20 tablets in total, or more, reports niggling problems in daily life. "All fairly minor on their own, but you're ending up with someone who is not as healthy as they ought to be," he says.

Rogers admits that because he took averages of such large numbers of users, his analysis may have "ironed out" some of the effects Parrot describes.

Parrot also calls ecstasy a "gateway" drug. "Former users are often heavy users of alcohol, tobacco and cannabis. When you move off ecstasy, you look for other drugs. Ecstasy use leads to other, more problematic drugs."

Despite this, however, results from the first "prospective" studies are more encouraging. These studies follow a group of people over many years and watch the effects of ecstasy unfold over time. Crucially, they are more reliable than "retrospective" studies because they don't rely on people remembering what they did in the past.

In 2002 a group in the Netherlands recruited 188 young people who had never taken ecstasy but were likely to in the future. When they retested them on a battery of psychometric tests three years later, 58 said they had taken ecstasy at least once, giving the researchers an opportunity to compare cognitive performance before and after ecstasy.

They found that on all the tests except for verbal memory, ecstasy users performed just as well as before, and on a par with abstainers (Archives of General Psychiatry, vol 64, p 728 ). The results chime with Rogers's conclusions: because the effect was so small - a difference of a quarter of a word on average from a list of 15 - the real world implications are questionable. Brain imaging revealed no changes to the serotonin system, although there were signs of damage to white matter and blood vessels. The practical significance of this is not yet known (Brain, DOI: 10.1093/brain/awn255).

Rogers cautions that it is too soon to give ecstasy the all-clear in the long term, not least because some effects on health might simply kick in even later. "It's possible that ecstasy has horrific consequences later in life. Only time will tell."


The low-down on ecstasy
• Ecstasy usually refers to a compound called MDMA or 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine.
• MDMA was first synthesised by German firm Merck in the early 20th century but only started to be used as a recreational drug in the 1980s.
• There are around 450,000 regular users in the US; half a million people take it each year in the UK.
• A seriously heavy user might take up to 40,000 tablets in a lifetime.
• Drug dealers originally wanted to call MDMA "empathy" because of the powerful feelings of "loved up" warmth it induces. MDMA is also a stimulant and a mild psychedelic.
• Recent research suggests that most ecstasy pills on the market contain MDMA as their only active ingredient. Toxic impurities are often said to be common, but there is very little evidence that this is the case.
• Most of the ecstasy on the market is in pill form, with each pill containing around 40 milligrams of MDMA. But very pure MDMA powder accounts for around 30 per cent of drugs seized, which is worrying because of the potential for taking very large doses.
• A single ecstasy tablet used to cost £15. Now they cost just £2.30.



Link: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126954.500-ecstasys-longterm-effects-revealed.html
 
Editorial: Drugs drive politicians out of their minds
11 February 2009
NewScientist issue 2695


IMAGINE you are seated at a table with two bowls in front of you. One contains peanuts, the other tablets of the illegal recreational drug MDMA (ecstasy). A stranger joins you, and you have to decide whether to give them a peanut or a pill. Which is safest?

You should give them ecstasy, of course. A much larger percentage of people suffer a fatal acute reaction to peanuts than to MDMA.

This, of course, is only a thought experiment; nobody would consider doing it for real. But it puts the risks associated with ecstasy in context with others we take for granted. Yes, ecstasy is dangerous and people who take it are putting their lives on the line. But the danger needs to be put in perspective.

Sadly, perspective is something that is generally lacking in the long and tortuous debate over illegal drugs. In this magazine, we have argued that drug policy should be made on the basis of evidence of harmfulness - to individuals and to society. The British government's stated line is similar, yet time and again it ignores its own rules and the recommendations of its experts. Most other western governments act in a similar way.

The latest example of doublethink concerns MDMA. As New Scientist went to press, the UK government's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs was widely expected to recommend downgrading it, based on evidence of its limited harmfulness (see "Ecstasy's legacy: so far, so good"). Yet the government has already rejected the advice.

No doubt this is partly a reaction to the furore over the government's de facto decriminalisation of cannabis in 2004, based on another advisory council recommendation. Despite the fact that the move actually reduced the quantity of cannabis being smoked - surely a welcome outcome of any rational drug policy - the government recently reversed it in the face of implacably bad press.

For evidence of how irrational and lacking in perspective the public debate has become, consider how the advisory council's chairman, David Nutt, found himself in hot water last weekend for comparing the harm caused by ecstasy to the harm caused by horse riding, or "equasy" as he dubbed it. Nutt's intention was simply to put ecstasy in context with other sources of harm. But his comments - which he actually made last month in an editorial in the Journal of Psychopharmacology - caused predictable squeals of outrage and calls for his head.

This is a worldwide problem. We need a rational debate about the true damage caused by illegal drugs - which pales into insignificance compared with the havoc wreaked by legal drugs such as alcohol and tobacco. Until then, we have no chance of developing a rational drug policy.


Link: http://www.newscientist.com/article...ugs-drive-politicians-out-of-their-minds.html
 
The low-down on ecstasy
• A seriously heavy user might take up to 40,000 tablets in a lifetime.

If someone is 40 years old and is a heavy user, 40,000 tablets of ecstasy is 1,000 pills for each year of there life. I remember reading an article about some guy who claimed to have taken 40,000 in his life and he had severe problems but this has to be like an extremely rare if not, one-time only case.

Hopefully, ecstasy isn't as bad as it is often portrayed but let's hope science over time can prove this. If not, that's really unfortunate because it is such a beautiful substance when used safely.
 
"We see users who have taken bucket-loads and they have very severe problems." These include memory deficits, sleep disturbances, depression, weakened immunity and sexual dysfunction, he says.

I would hardly call any of those severe problems as in life threatening or permanent. Other than that, the article was pretty good, whole lot better than Date rape drug Ecstasy kills clubber!! articles. I don't even use E or even have an desire to, unless I know that it is 100% MDMA with a non-toxic filler, and all the longitudinal data is in, but I will stand up against the lies.
 
Parrot also calls ecstasy a "gateway" drug. "Former users are often heavy users of alcohol, tobacco and cannabis. When you move off ecstasy, you look for other drugs. Ecstasy use leads to other, more problematic drugs."

Quite funny to see ecstasy described as a gateway to the "more problematic" alcohol and tobacco.
 
No they take that many because its cheap. I dont think they were saying britains pills contained 40 mgs. First of all the pills come from several source countries, and people get different quality pills in different spots/times. I would say a reasonable estimate is 35-100 mgs is consistent. With an average of about 60 mgs I would say.
 
Good article. Sure beats those "Ecstasy Burns Holes in Your Brain" studies financed by the U.S. gov't that turned out to be horribly flawed, as rats were given MDMA sized doses of methamphetamine, supposedly due to mislabeled chemicals...
 
And The chemical manufacturer claimed there was no mislabeling, but most of the people on here probably knew that.

And the second article always randomly pops in my head while raving for some reason.
 
I would hardly call any of those severe problems as in life threatening or permanent.

Insomnia and depression and certainly potentially life threatening disorders.

And it's impossible to say if any of them are permanent based upon what they are. You can't say "oh, memory problems, memory problems aren't permanent" because they might be, or they might not be. And it's impossible to know severity in the same sense. They might be incredibly severe. I have moderate to severe short term memory problems, can barely get through through a 5 minute conversation without being reminded what we were talking about 2-3 times (about average, some times I do much better, others much worse). Severity is measured by the impairment the issue has on life, not by the disorder itself.
 
this article seems pretty legit to me. I think if I ever start rolling agin it will be more of a once every 6 months to a year type of thing
 
i roll very often and on high doses and im also a math major and i still finish my exams first
although im a very exceptional individual so its prolly not like that for everybody
 
i roll very often and on high doses and im also a math major and i still finish my exams first
although im a very exceptional individual so its prolly not like that for everybody

I'm the same, except I also have a massive cock.
 
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