lil angel15
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NEWS: NineMSN - 25/5/07 'NZ woman dies from magic mushrooms'
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Splatt
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There has been only one recorded death of a real overdose of mushrooms and that was with pure sandoz psilocybin in the 70s? (theres a thread on it in PD somewhere).
There was one trip report of someone dieing while on mushrooms, here in Bluelight, maybe even in the Shrine now, but it was due to being in a car in sever cold conditions, snowing I think.
Did she pick the wrong ones? We need to know.. Were they psilocybin mushrooms, fly agaric mushrooms, toad stools or some other sort of very toxic non psychedlic mushroom and did she have another other drugs in her system. We will never find the answers I bet and it will be put down as a psilocybin death. Does it mention at all that she died the day she took them?
There was one trip report of someone dieing while on mushrooms, here in Bluelight, maybe even in the Shrine now, but it was due to being in a car in sever cold conditions, snowing I think.
Did she pick the wrong ones? We need to know.. Were they psilocybin mushrooms, fly agaric mushrooms, toad stools or some other sort of very toxic non psychedlic mushroom and did she have another other drugs in her system. We will never find the answers I bet and it will be put down as a psilocybin death. Does it mention at all that she died the day she took them?
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I suspect she may have plucked a Death Cap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_cap
Poor girl, damn media jumping all over it though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_cap
Poor girl, damn media jumping all over it though.
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NZ media coverage is saying that she went picking with a group of people, all of whom took the mushrooms together. All the others were fine, she died.
That would seem to mitigate against the idea that she picked poisonous mushrooms by mistake - unless the posionous ones were growing right by the magic ones, and looked similar, and she just got unlucky.
Possibly an allergic reaction?
It would be interesting to know if she'd ever taken them before (to explain whether it might be an allergy); and to see the toxicology reports (to confirm whether she actually took psilocybin or not).
No doubt the truth, when it comes out, will get rather less publicity than the 'magic mushrooms = teh death!' coverage that we're seeing here, but that's standard. [Witness the first NZ woman to die from MDMA - first reports said she'd never taken MDMA before, and that someone must have spiked her drink; later (smaller) reports had her friends admitting that she'd taken it several times, and had willingly and knowingly consumed it the night she died].
That would seem to mitigate against the idea that she picked poisonous mushrooms by mistake - unless the posionous ones were growing right by the magic ones, and looked similar, and she just got unlucky.
Possibly an allergic reaction?
It would be interesting to know if she'd ever taken them before (to explain whether it might be an allergy); and to see the toxicology reports (to confirm whether she actually took psilocybin or not).
No doubt the truth, when it comes out, will get rather less publicity than the 'magic mushrooms = teh death!' coverage that we're seeing here, but that's standard. [Witness the first NZ woman to die from MDMA - first reports said she'd never taken MDMA before, and that someone must have spiked her drink; later (smaller) reports had her friends admitting that she'd taken it several times, and had willingly and knowingly consumed it the night she died].
I have done an awful lot of mushroom scouting in the north island and have never seen a death cap in my life.
Its possible the 'magic mushrooms' she ate were amanitas as i believe there have been a few recorded fatalities (i think) and they seem to be getting taken more and more flippantly of late.
If it were something like a gallerina, falling down dead on the same day is not a normal reaction and death from organ failure would be much more likely to take a few days, even if a lot were eaten. The chances of her friends all getting psilocybin mushrooms and her getting all gallerinas seems extremely remote.
Either something sinister is afoot, multiple other drugs have been involved or shes had a freak adverse/allergic reacion imo
lessons to be learnt nonetheless. A child also died last year after going picking with his father for edible species. Multiple organ failure etc...his father needed a liver transplant i think. Be careful what you pick...if in doubt, throw it out.
Its possible the 'magic mushrooms' she ate were amanitas as i believe there have been a few recorded fatalities (i think) and they seem to be getting taken more and more flippantly of late.
If it were something like a gallerina, falling down dead on the same day is not a normal reaction and death from organ failure would be much more likely to take a few days, even if a lot were eaten. The chances of her friends all getting psilocybin mushrooms and her getting all gallerinas seems extremely remote.
Either something sinister is afoot, multiple other drugs have been involved or shes had a freak adverse/allergic reacion imo
lessons to be learnt nonetheless. A child also died last year after going picking with his father for edible species. Multiple organ failure etc...his father needed a liver transplant i think. Be careful what you pick...if in doubt, throw it out.
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Perhaps a bad mixture of meds? Mirtazapine makes shrooms stronger... maybe other meds too?
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Mmmm... I'm also skeptical about the mushrooms in their own right being responsible. I would think that this is similar to a fairly universal police media tactic of using a substance 'associated' death to either preface a further crackdown on said substance, or just to put the frighteners on consumers. Surely it should be up to the medical profession to issue health warnings..? Maybe the good Sen Sgt Lynam has a medical degree, or is a toxicologist...
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Found this story from a NZ Newspaper which possibly explains things. I don't have a link, but I found this from the Proquest database:
Hamilton heart transplant patient dies
FEEK, Belinda, LEAMAN, Aaron.
Waikato Times. Hamilton, New Zealand: May 26, 2007. pg. A.1
A Hamilton woman who died after trying magic mushrooms was a heart transplant recipient.
As many as 400 people had gathered at the Hamilton East home of Te Awhina Hawera last night.
Her father, Piripi Hawera, who has also had heart surgery to replace a valve, told the Waikato Times last night that his daughter was an outgoing person.
"She did a lot of things that amazed us. She did things that we thought would have been beyond her given her circumstances."
Ms Hawera, 23, had her heart transplant in 1997. Her father had his heart operation in 1988.
Police released details of her death yesterday. Hamilton police Senior Sergeant Marcus Lynam said Ms Hawera was socialising with a group of friends at a Hamilton East flat on Thursday when she tried magic mushrooms.
She later collapsed after complaining of being scared and cold. Ambulance officers performed CPR, but she died at Waikato Hospital about 10pm.
"It was just a small group of friends that decided to partake in magic mushrooms," Mr Lynam said.
The Waikato Times wrote about Ms Hawera in 1999, two years after she had received a heart transplant at Auckland's Green Lane Hospital.
At the time she was playing tennis and volleyball at Sacred Heart Girls' College.
National Poisons Centre medical toxicologist Dr Michael Beasley said it was extremely unusual for somebody to die purely from taking magic mushrooms, particularly within such a short period of time.
However, the drug was dangerous as it left people in a vulnerable euphoric or "spaced out" state.
Waikato District Health Board drug and alcohol specialist Dr Murray Hunt had never heard of anyone dying from a magic mushroom overdose. Both agreed the only way to stay safe was to steer clear of any sort of drug.
It's not the first time a Hamilton student had become sick after trying the wild mushrooms, which produce a hallucinogenic effect.
In June last year, a Year 11 Hillcrest High School student was hospitalised after drinking a mushroom tea concoction.
The fungi are not illegal, but they do contain the Class A drug Psilocybin, which is.
Medical experts warn it can cause a prolonged psychotic state similar to paranoid schizophrenia.
FEEK, Belinda, LEAMAN, Aaron.
Waikato Times. Hamilton, New Zealand: May 26, 2007. pg. A.1
A Hamilton woman who died after trying magic mushrooms was a heart transplant recipient.
As many as 400 people had gathered at the Hamilton East home of Te Awhina Hawera last night.
Her father, Piripi Hawera, who has also had heart surgery to replace a valve, told the Waikato Times last night that his daughter was an outgoing person.
"She did a lot of things that amazed us. She did things that we thought would have been beyond her given her circumstances."
Ms Hawera, 23, had her heart transplant in 1997. Her father had his heart operation in 1988.
Police released details of her death yesterday. Hamilton police Senior Sergeant Marcus Lynam said Ms Hawera was socialising with a group of friends at a Hamilton East flat on Thursday when she tried magic mushrooms.
She later collapsed after complaining of being scared and cold. Ambulance officers performed CPR, but she died at Waikato Hospital about 10pm.
"It was just a small group of friends that decided to partake in magic mushrooms," Mr Lynam said.
The Waikato Times wrote about Ms Hawera in 1999, two years after she had received a heart transplant at Auckland's Green Lane Hospital.
At the time she was playing tennis and volleyball at Sacred Heart Girls' College.
National Poisons Centre medical toxicologist Dr Michael Beasley said it was extremely unusual for somebody to die purely from taking magic mushrooms, particularly within such a short period of time.
However, the drug was dangerous as it left people in a vulnerable euphoric or "spaced out" state.
Waikato District Health Board drug and alcohol specialist Dr Murray Hunt had never heard of anyone dying from a magic mushroom overdose. Both agreed the only way to stay safe was to steer clear of any sort of drug.
It's not the first time a Hamilton student had become sick after trying the wild mushrooms, which produce a hallucinogenic effect.
In June last year, a Year 11 Hillcrest High School student was hospitalised after drinking a mushroom tea concoction.
The fungi are not illegal, but they do contain the Class A drug Psilocybin, which is.
Medical experts warn it can cause a prolonged psychotic state similar to paranoid schizophrenia.
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Totally agree ilikeacid.
Although it was foolish for her to not have them identified, if there was greater education and less fear mongering, i agree that this could have been avoided.
Young people will continue to do things they are told not supposed to, without educating them they are being allowed to die.
If a kid is taught, "Magic Mushrooms will kill you. You will have a bad trip and die" and then a friend has mushrooms and says "It was amazing" who will that kid believe? They think they have been lied to in school, they get a loose description of magic mushrooms, find them and consume.
Makes you sad, of well, atlease there is now more evidence for the "Magic Mushrooms will kill you. You will have a bad trip and die" school of thought. Then the cycle should get to repeat itself.
Although it was foolish for her to not have them identified, if there was greater education and less fear mongering, i agree that this could have been avoided.
Young people will continue to do things they are told not supposed to, without educating them they are being allowed to die.
If a kid is taught, "Magic Mushrooms will kill you. You will have a bad trip and die" and then a friend has mushrooms and says "It was amazing" who will that kid believe? They think they have been lied to in school, they get a loose description of magic mushrooms, find them and consume.
Makes you sad, of well, atlease there is now more evidence for the "Magic Mushrooms will kill you. You will have a bad trip and die" school of thought. Then the cycle should get to repeat itself.
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Flexistentialist said:
I've never heard of magic mushroom overdose, so you better steer clear of all drugs.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
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What a joke!
GABAlover
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A completely useless article. Without knowing exactly what she consumed, we can conclude nothing.
This is the picture in the ninemsn article :
and it's URL : http://news.ninemsn.com.au/img/health/2505_magicmushroom_g.jpg
This is the picture in the ninemsn article :
and it's URL : http://news.ninemsn.com.au/img/health/2505_magicmushroom_g.jpg
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It'll start yet another old wives tale about shrooms...
When i found out that strychnine in shrooms was an old wives tale i started munching them flat out as a youngen hahahahaha
The first article is a blatant lie, if they said something so untrue about pollitics etc. the newspaper would get an ass kicking!
Her heart was fucked, it runs in the family and she should have known better (sorry to offend anyone)
The lies have to stop
Just say no hasn't worked for 20+ years and drug use is skyrocketing. The facts about drugs are scarier than the bullshit uninformed people make up about them.
The truth will save lives!
When i found out that strychnine in shrooms was an old wives tale i started munching them flat out as a youngen hahahahaha
The first article is a blatant lie, if they said something so untrue about pollitics etc. the newspaper would get an ass kicking!
Her heart was fucked, it runs in the family and she should have known better (sorry to offend anyone)
The lies have to stop
Just say no hasn't worked for 20+ years and drug use is skyrocketing. The facts about drugs are scarier than the bullshit uninformed people make up about them.
The truth will save lives!