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endlesseulogy
14-08-2005, 12:37
Theres some DOB blotter going around Melbourne right now :


http://i1.bluelight.ru/g/503/2768DOB_blotter_front.jpg

http://i1.bluelight.ru/g/503/2768DOB_blotter_back.jpg

Obtained these from source thinking it was LSD but the 3+ hour comeup made me very suspect. Effects very strange but all in all a very negitive experience for the most part... Heavy doses can also fuck peoples shit up too so be careful

High doses of this can be convincingly similar yet different to an acid trip. Long 30 hour duration is a bit of a bitch too

More info here :

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214014&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

twominds
14-08-2005, 15:50
I am in Melbourne I am pretty sure these were what I had last week along with mescaline. I had 300mg of mescaline and two tabs of these. It was very intense, and about a 10 hour plus visual fest. I wrote a trip report of 'mescaline & LSD' maybe DOB was possible..............I will find out tommorrow if these are actually the same as there in another room where friends asleep. Post response then.

twominds
14-08-2005, 15:54
This is the trip report
Mescaline & LSD combo (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=216477&r=2)
Just assumed it was quality LSD.

Xenogenesis
14-08-2005, 16:29
Hrm, I came across these last friday night, it was sold to me and mates as "Acid", the INTENCE chemical taist was VERY suss, acid is meant to be damn near taistless, long story short, DOB intencifies with alcohol going by erowid.org's info, we were drinking during the 3 hour come-up.

By the end of the night (early morning) we were sitting in the liveing room on couches with big sharp carving knifes, as we both have very bad paranoia.

Not a happy chappy with one of my dealers as a result, i didn't mind it, but i would have liked LSD, because thats what i paid for.

EDIT: The same DOB blotters as pictured are now in Cairns (FNQ), (thats where i am)

rm2x
14-08-2005, 17:06
Awesome! I love DOB, it was my first 'trip'.
Back in the early 90's there were laminated blotters floating around called Computer Graphics. These were DOB.
I find it to be terribly euphoric, similar to MDMA at times, but with the maddest visuals I have ever experienced from any substance.
The come up took some time but was wel worth it. I found the visuals from DOB to be much more 'fluro','shiny',and 'synthetic' as opposed to LSD that are much more organic and have more depth.
I remember after taking one I sat down watching the light show on a wall for a few hours then we made it to an empty showgrounds where we all had a mass hallucination of a giant beam of light comming down from the sky and the ground was a mass of orange computer graphic worms weaving in and out. lol
The body load from them at times was intense, and they went for so long.

Around the same time as the Computer Graphics were out there were also Red Lines (sold as a 24 hour trip) and Tiles.
The Graphics were pinky orange with dot matrix type rectangles on them.
The Red Lines were grey squares with a red line diagonally across the blotter.
And the Tiles were black and white with "lattice" patterns printed on them
All of these blotters were very thick, between 1-1.5mm in thickness and they were all laminated.
They also appeared to all have their prints done by a computer printer :)
Tasted like bloody poison too, and they looked saturated.

I know these to be DOB as a friends aunty got busted with them and the police ran some tests and they came back as 'BROMO DMA' and were being called a "neuro-amphetamine" in court.

Sorry just got carried away as I am excited! lol

twominds
15-08-2005, 03:05
^^I also got a suprise when I tasted a strong chemical. I have checked supply and they are EXACTLY the same blotters.

chugs
15-08-2005, 03:42
asking again: is there anyway to test for DOB on a blotter (even if you have to destroy it?)

I don't like the idea of some stupid dealer selling these as acid especially with the drought that is going on.

Is there anyway to determine dose?

endlesseulogy
15-08-2005, 08:41
Please get the word out about these blotters to everyone you know. This stuff can be deadly at high level doses and cause cardio-vascular problems. Fuck this shit!

Xenogenesis
15-08-2005, 09:06
^^ Indeed, and if you do come across them, i'd say one blotter, no alcohol.

endlesseulogy
15-08-2005, 09:41
I would say that 1 tab of this stuff would equal about .75 - 1mg of DOB.

Considering the OD is over 3.5mg , means that this stuff could cause some harm as many LSD users sometimes consume many many many tabs

Xenogenesis
15-08-2005, 10:41
^^ I'm glad this stuff wasnt around weekend before last, a few mates went on a big acid bender, 6 tabs or more, microdots, stillnox, etc.
we were in the middle of nowhere so medical assistance would have been unrealistic.

Leprechaun
15-08-2005, 10:44
Nice work for posting this up Endless... :)

Can't believe these made it to Australia. If people know these are DOB, there will be some happy chaps and gals out there! DOB is pretty unique.

Xenogenesis
15-08-2005, 10:49
Yes, but if they dont know, and they decide to go hard on what they think is acid, there will be alot of ER visits.

endlesseulogy
15-08-2005, 10:59
^^ If you tell as many people as you can and the general consensus among everyone is that these are DOB, then people who are after LSD will refrain from buying these buggers.. It was a shock for me, because i was expecting acid. It really really sucks when you get something you dont expect. Esspecially when playing with psychedelics. DOB is strange stuff.. very strange.. It was quite enjoyable at the start. By the end i thought id been infested with some nasty leech that was taking away my soul. I ended up sitting in the one place for hours staring at different parts of the wall. It really takes away all your emotion. Unless you take more drugs on the comedown, one is very boring to be around!! ;)

ThE_CooKiE_MoNsTeR
15-08-2005, 11:08
hey, sorry ppl im fairly new to acid and all that and just wonderin if some1 could give me a little insight to what exactly a DOB is... just more stronger?? sorry.

endlesseulogy
15-08-2005, 11:12
DOB is a phenethylamine with a character similar to 2C-B but several times longer in duration. Because of this duration, many people prefer to do it earlier in the day. Caution...DOB takes a fairly long time to onset (up to 3 hours) for most people. Do not redose thinking you haven't taken enough.

As the effects of DOB first come on, the user feels a rush of energy which can be exhilerating or uncomfortable, depending on the person and the dose. A small majority of people report slightly less stomach discomfort than with 2C-B, although, as with all substances, each person reacts differently and there are also reports of higher discomfort than with 2C-B. Some people also report a greater ability to both eat and sleep with DOB than with LSD.

As DOB settles in, it has a long plateau (3-10 hours, depending on person and dose). Higher doses extend the length in addition to increasing the effects. .Some people boost their DOB experience with a small supplement between T+3 and T+6 hours. The booster usually kicks in a bit faster than the original dose (45 minutes).

light doses of DOB last from 6-12
hours medium doses of DOB last from 8-16 hours
heavy doses of DOB can last more than 24 hours
see DOB Dosages

As with many other entheogens, its often best to avoid eating for at least 2 hours (4 is better) beforehand and don't eat until after the peak.

Light Effects: (plateau between 3 and 6 hours)
An increase in energy, feeling of mental clarity, opening of mental space, less confusing than low doses of LSD, very light visual activity, visual patterns superimposed on vision, enhanced texture perception, shift in colors. Some people find it possible to sleep on low doses of DOB, though probably not at the peak.

Body load usually manageable. Nervousness, edginess, some body discomfort, stomach tension, yawning.

Medium Effects: (plateau between 4 and 8 hours)
Increased duration, energizing, pronounced visual effects, marked clarity and reduction of emotions. Some people suggest this might be a good therapeutic tool in cases where excessive emotion might be a problem.

Fairly high body load. Muscle and jaw tension, tension headache, eye discomfort, achy back spasms, nausea, general body discomfort.

Strong Effects: (plateau between 6 and 12 hours)
Long duration, visual brightening, able to connect with ideas, heart-opening happiness.

Overdose: (3.5 + mg)
Reports of moderate overdoses appear to often be the result of individuals deciding an hour after their original dose that because they aren't feeling anything they didnt take enough. Be Careful! DOB can take up to 3 hours to onset for some individuals.

The overdose experience seems to be one of memory loss, irrational and sometimes violent behavior, and the possibility of causing harm to oneself (not noticing pain?).

Xenogenesis
15-08-2005, 13:35
Oh and also, any info wanted, http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dob/dob.shtml

*hugs erowid*

rm2x
15-08-2005, 15:13
DOB marquis results taken from http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq_testing_kits.shtml

Bright Yellow / Green Indicates the presence of 2C-B, DOM, or DOB.

chugs
16-08-2005, 02:05
I can't wait for a stupid Journo to get a hold of this - can see the headline "New killer Drug sweeping the nation"

rm2x
16-08-2005, 09:09
I remember reading ages ago that DOB may have first been synthesized in Australia in the early 70s'. I can't remember where I read it from but I found this that may be of interest.
Heh it that confirms for me as well that the tabs I was taking were DOB as the chemical was being called bromo-dma :)

Taken from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6873782&dopt=Citation

4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine (bromo-DMA) is a drug of special interest in Australia as it is available in forms which are seldom seen elsewhere in the world. Data of interest to the Forensic Chemist is summarized. The psychoactivity of bromo-DMA is discussed and a number of case histories involving higher doses are related. A description of dosage forms has been included and variations in drug concentration is discussed. Chemical properties and various methods of quantitative and qualitative analysis, including the use of high performance liquid chromatography, mass spectrometry and infra-red spectroscopy are listed.

rm2x
16-08-2005, 09:10
Xenogenesis: The tabs I had did have an odour, but these are different ones.

mindsurfer
17-08-2005, 06:26
I can confirm the presence of DOB blotters in Melbourne in the late 1970s. They were called “tiles” and appear to be identical to the “tiles” rm2x refers to in his earlier post:

“And the Tiles were black and white with "lattice" patterns printed on them
All of these blotters were very thick, between 1-1.5mm in thickness and they were all laminated.”

…only he was talking about the 1990s!

The 1970s “tiles” were available for ages. I don’t share the enthusiasm for DOB. The Tiles produced a very jittery and edgy feel (I recall feeling that whatever I was doing I should be doing something else). They developed a pretty bad reputation and after a while you couldn’t give them away to my crowd.

A little earlier, about 1976, there were also abundant DOB blotters, this time grey unperfed. They were pretty weak and presumably the manufacturers moved on to the “tile” format to enable more DOB to be presented per “hit”. The grey blotters were sold as “mescaline” (ha!) but we learned what they really were when someone got busted and they were analysed by the police.

There’s a picture on Erowid of DOB blotters from Australia. These resemble the Tiles but without the lamination:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/show_image.php?i=dob/dob_blotter1.jpg

Seems like Melbourne was once the DOB capital of the world!

DreadQ
17-08-2005, 10:50
i ate about 13 of these tabs over a night and a day along with speed, mescalin and mushrooms. i was prolly also drinking. i found the experience increadibly euphoric with amazing visuals. i really thought i was just good clean acid at the time and really enjoyed it.... but if the lethal dosage is 3.5mg should i not be dead? i would have had more than twice that amount and im alive and my mind is a fine as it ever was.

sonicnature
17-08-2005, 12:12
Thankyou for the warning and excellent information endless :)

Immortal Teknique
17-08-2005, 12:45
Originally posted by DreadQ
i ate about 13 of these tabs over a night and a day along with speed, mescalin and mushrooms. i was prolly also drinking.

Thats fucking stupid and irresponsible, if in fact your telling the truth. These drugs (excluding speed cause its shit anyway) are too be respected, not fucked around with and eaten like M&M's.

shorza
17-08-2005, 17:09
Originally posted by DreadQ
i ate about 13 of these tabs over a night and a day along with speed, mescalin and mushrooms. i was prolly also drinking.
This site is for the purpose of harm minimisation, not for people to post their idiocy.

13 tabs of acid is a lot to take. You are lucky that they were just weak acid and not these DOM tabs we are discussing.

No one here will be impressed by your stupidity.

Xenogenesis
17-08-2005, 17:28
Well said Immortal Teknique :)
Just fucking stupid.
You're the kind of person that'll make headlines and make people even more dirty on recreational drug use.

DreadQ
17-08-2005, 17:44
thats how i do it, fuck eating1 or 2 tabs... it just does not do the trick.

plus i had absolutelly no idea that it was some bizzar research chem.
i normally eat acid like that anyway, its what i do i guess....

dont get me wrong i know my limits and i respect my pschadelics for very good reasons. its allways a small personal experiment with me when i take psychadelics. either way the DOB effect is sublime and i loved it..
i prolly wouldna eated so many but as the story goes took one didnt come on two much after 1.5 hours so i have another 3 , then three in the morning; doesd up again trippped hard all day listening to primo Industrial music, well Velvet Acid Christ to be exact.... and had one of the most increadible tripps of my life. im not complining at all. latter on in the week i just was a lill supriesed to find out it wasnt acid, and in high does's i t can be lethal. but im still here and fuctioning.

i think its fair to say the psychadelics are better done in high does's. screw the moderate effects of one. if your gonna do it propperly then push the envelope i say.

xxDreadQ

justlearning
17-08-2005, 18:54
Unfortunately in todays world; blotters do not equal LSD anymore!
Back in the day i use to do the same thing ie taking 2, 3, 4, 5, + hits all at once.

I won't do that any more unless i know fore sure what im getting is indeed LSD!.
cheers

Xenogenesis
17-08-2005, 18:58
DreadQ
Didn't the intence chemical taist just make you stop for a minute, the cogs of your brain slowly churn over and think "whoa fuck, maybe this isnt lsd, maybe i should go a little easy on it" ?

happydaze
17-08-2005, 22:56
but if the lethal dosage is 3.5mg should i not be dead? i would have had more than twice that amount and im alive and my mind is a fine as it ever was. [/B][/QUOTE]

actually the lethal dose of DOB is about 100mg but its not for sure.around there....there has been 2 people that have died taking it as e and found out it was dob...

BigTrancer
18-08-2005, 04:31
I really think people should provide references when stating facts and dosages.

BigTrancer :)

happydaze
18-08-2005, 05:44
your right bigtrancer sorry i got that estimate from a phikal entry of dob here is the part i was talking about.... as for 3.5 overdosing you is what it says on erowid so you were right.... but i was meaning a deadly dose is about 100 milligrams here a peice of of phikal entry from shulgin


Actually, it is very likely that the damaging, if not lethal, level of DOB in man is a lot lower than this ratio would imply. There was a report of a death of a young lady following the snorting of an amount of DOB so massive, there was the actual recovery of over nine milligrams of the drug from her body tissues in the post-mortem examination. It was said that she and her companion had thought that the drug they were using was MDA and, taking a dosage appropriate for this, effectively overdosed themselves. He survived, following convulsions and an extended period (several weeks) of being in a comatose state. Tragic examples have been reported that involve arterial vascular spasm. But in most overdose cases ascribed to DOB, the identity of the drug has remained unestablished.

DreadQ
18-08-2005, 10:43
I was actually led to believe that the strong chemical was the result of the tabs being contained on an old piece of foil that was prolly coated with something..

but yeah fine, im an idiot ok..

'measure it twice, cut it once'

Morninggloryseed
18-08-2005, 10:56
Originally posted by rm2x
I remember reading ages ago that DOB may have first been synthesized in Australia in the early 70s'. I can't remember where I read it from but I found this that may be of interest.


DOB was first synthesized by Dr. A. Shulgin in California in the late '60s. I believe its first mention in the literature was in 1968.

Xenogenesis
18-08-2005, 12:34
Oh and another thing, has anyone who had DOB recently noticed how you feel so dirty in the "comedown"
altho its not really a comedown, its more of a "wtf" feeling, but yeah, my mate had a theroy that toxins are escapeing through the skin or something *shrug*
any feedback would be nice ;)

chugs
18-08-2005, 13:23
Although I've read the pihkal entry on DOB it got me wondering does anyone what phenethylamine do in your brain.

For example I know that MDMA inhibits the re-uptake of serotonin(s), whilst THC stimulates dopamine.

What neurotransmitters do phenethylamine's interact with?

Splatt
18-08-2005, 15:30
Xenogenesis: Sounds like someone reached a conclusion without logic and stemming! God bless Psychedelics for that!

Xenogenesis
19-08-2005, 03:28
Conclusion?
Hardly, I'd say more of a theroy, as you can see i said "My mate had a theroy" not, "My mate came to a conclusion."

peaked
19-08-2005, 06:48
Originally posted by morninggloryseed

Originally posted by rm2x
I remember reading ages ago that DOB may have first been synthesized in Australia in the early 70s'. I can't remember where I read it from but I found this that may be of interest.
DOB was first synthesized by Dr. A. Shulgin in California in the late '60s. I believe its first mention in the literature was in 1968.

Its quite interesting that this drug has been around for so long, yet has so little recognition (then again, I guess alot of the popular drugs these days were around for a very long time before people starting abusing them (i.e. mdma)). Though did rm2x mean "the first time DOB was synthesized in Australia", or "the first time DOB was synthesized was in Australia"? I suspect it was the former.

waterboy
20-09-2005, 14:24
this brings a frown to my face, lsd blotters used to be one of the few drugs that if you werent getting lsd you were getting a piece of cardboard with nothing on it, not some DOB or AMT or some other research chem. quite a shame.

i read somewhere, i cant remember where but if you shine a uv light over the blotter and it glows it is most often lsd, i have no idea what else it could indicate but im quite sure its usually lsd.
waterboy:)

endlesseulogy
20-09-2005, 14:32
Its the taste... DOB blotter has a very very bitter taste, as LSD is tasteless, pure LSD blotter is also tasteless... No, the ink dosnt cause the bitterness.. Slightly bitter blotter is usually a result of a semi-pure crystal. More LSA derivities, not LSD!

LSD is tasteless, if you taste something-anything, its not acid..

The only tasteless blotter ive ever eaten were the pharoah blotters that everyone seemed to bag. This was quality LSD, but at a low dose... Many were needed to achieve high psychedelic doses. But it was well worth it! 8o

BrokedownPalace
18-10-2005, 05:25
Wow, I'm pretty confident that on saturday when We went to see the *, I had these tabs. I'm not 100 percent sure if they are they same, although the guy had about 30 hits, perforated, with from what I can recall a very similiar design, I bought two, one was purple and one was greenish. My friend and I each ate one, and it tasted incredibly bitter for about 10 - 15 minutes.

I didnt' start feeling it for maybe 1.5 hours, then redosed with a white unperfed blotter once the show started. I ate the first hit, perhaps of DOB, at around 5:45 pm and I was still having pretty crazy visuals until around 5 am, and I had a feeling of distress and slight depression, just sitting in my room for 4 hours after the show doing nothing. I was quite edgy.

Although I'm not sure if it was DOB or not, since it was only the second time i'd done acid and was more intense than I expected, although not to the point where it wasn't enjoyable.

By the way the show was in New Jersey, has anyone seen these blotters around central New Jersey, or the surrounding areas? New York, I wish I took a picture of them before we ate them.

[Edit: Venue details removed as per Australian Drug Discussion Forum guidelines. PS: the 'similar/recent posts' features take threads from all over BL, so it's worth checking where your post is going to end up... BigTrancer :)]

goodfellar
18-10-2005, 11:08
These DOB blotters are truly a great experience. I personally enjoyed these more than MD as you are at a constant high for a longer duration. You dont go as high but you dont come down as hard either. These are great fun. I wouldn't use these all the time as it fucks your memory for a good few days. These have very similar effects to ecstasy. The only negative things are the memory loss and some muscular aches in my back. At a sixth of the price of md it was a cheap ride and memorable ones at that. Don't take too many either i've seen what it does to me mates so play it safe peoples.

rm2x
18-10-2005, 14:26
- INTELLIGENCE ALERT -

LSD BLOTTER ACID MIMIC CONTAINING 4-BROMO-2, 5-DIMETHOXY-
AMPHETAMINE (DOB) SEIZED NEAR BURNS, OREGON

Photo 1

The Oregon State Police Forensic Services Division Laboratory (Ontario, Oregon) recently received a polydrug submission that included nine perforated paper squares, some plain, some imprinted with a “psychedelic” pattern, apparent LSD “Blotter Acid” (see Photo 1). The other submissions included MDMA (confirmed), psilocin (confirmed), hash, and hash oil (both unconfirmed). The exhibits were seized by the Oregon State Police, Burns Worksite, pursuant to a vehicle stop near Burns (Burns is located in the southeastern quadrant of Oregon). Analysis of an extract by GC/MS, however, indicated not LSD but rather 4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine (commonly abbreviated as DOB). The identification was not confirmed, due to the lack of an authenticated reference standard. The samples were not quantitated; however, the respective concentrations of DOB were judged to be significantly more than the normal concentration of LSD on typical blotter acid, based on the size of the GC peak. This was the first ever submission of DOB (in any form) to the Ontario laboratory.

taken from
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg1005/mg1005.html

Same pic as the ones that have been floating around here.

Endless Night
24-10-2005, 00:38
i actually picked of two of these the other night and the dealer called me back to tell me the acid was bad and he would replace it as soon as he could

he had no idea it was DOB, because i was the one to tell him.....im not sure if i am going to take these or return them in hopes of real acid

Endless Night
24-10-2005, 22:06
do you think one hit of this blotter holds a big enough dose for a good trip?