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dada
11-08-2005, 02:35
Hey i did a search n came up with nothing jus wondering if anyone can tellme if snorting ice(4-mar) is an effective way to have it. Im sick of crackies because they seem to have a one after the other effect the boom its gone!

phase_dancer
11-08-2005, 05:36
I've personally only heard of people smoking it or ingesting it orally, but this, taken from old posts on alt.drugs.chemistry indicates it can be insufflated. I should add though that the 4-MAR would need to be in a salt form i.e. not the freebase.


Some drug dealers are marketing Ice as cocaine or crystal methampetamine. Ice may be taken in powder or liquid form. Most users snort it or mix it in a drink. A small percentage of users administer it intravenously.

From Rhodium files hosted on designer-drugs.com (http://designer-drugs.com/pte/12.162.180.114/dcd/chemistry/u4euh.notes.txt)

Please note that this paper was never "HTML'ed" be Rhodium, which often indicates some elements were never verified.

Stuart
11-08-2005, 05:44
my friend did snort it..

because he was real hung over at work once and wanted to keep going..

he ended up vomiting alot getting very sick, passing out..
he did not look pretty at all...

twominds
11-08-2005, 08:10
It has been done by a few people here. The drug is around a bit lately (on it now!) while most prefer to smoke it, others (myself included) choose to IV it. I hear from friends that its incredibly harsh on the nose. Of course snorting is effective as the effects hit quickly but not as immediate as when IV or smoked.

goa
11-08-2005, 09:26
def. works, hurts the nose a little, not as bad as K

hdang
11-08-2005, 09:40
yeh ive had no dramas with snorting it. i prefer snorting it than smoking it actually. just crush it up real fine. it does burn a bit thou. dont do it too often, or it will start to fuck up ur snoz.

i have seen a mate snort small shards before thou, haha. they would have just slid down his throat probs.

edit: ive never snorted 4mar however, just the other stuff we call ice.

goa
11-08-2005, 09:59
^^ 4mar IS ice...i think
unless ur callin ice, meth

BrisVegas
11-08-2005, 12:35
^^ yer we call ice meth... i've had mates that snort it.. i normally smoke it, but have had it orally... personally i would rather eat speed than meth.

KrisChris
11-08-2005, 13:21
i knew a guy who used to snort ice every weekend! and were talking decent sized lines.. he ended up getting a hole in his nose and needing surgery

phase_dancer
11-08-2005, 14:42
For the sake of clarity, from this point on only refer to 4-MAR in this thread, and to further avoid confusion lets call it 4-MAR or 4-methylaminorex or 4-methyl-5-phenyl-2-amino-oxazoline, but not ice please

fcuking_in_heaven
11-08-2005, 16:53
Maybe to save confusion we can just refer to 4-MAR as just 4-MAR all the time and nothing else. Just a suggestion.

dada
12-08-2005, 02:47
i dont see what the big deal it shud be a law that is ok to do these drugs if people Call 4-mar ice and crystal meth ... crystal meth i too hate the confusion

Fry-d-
12-08-2005, 03:56
This is why slang sucks....

Biscuit
12-08-2005, 13:45
Crush it very fine and then cut it 1:1 with glucose.

There is no problem with cutting your own gear - you are not losing anything!

Why snort high purity meth that will destroy your nose. Lower the purity and just snort a bit more. You will be much better for it.

Before you crush all your ice, crush a little bit and leave it out in the air over night. If it dissolves then consider only crushing small amounts and cutting with glucose at a time.

"Ice" that absorbs moisture from the air will do so far more rapidly when a fine powder rather than chunky crystals. Even when cut with glucose it can turn to mush.

mr king
12-08-2005, 14:41
ive snorted it spenty a time, most of the time two lines one up each nose at the same time little bit tricky with notes so use straws i found it made me very snapy but good fun
ps: shouldnt use notes for snorting cause of the backtiria(spelling)on the note so when u snort it cutes ur nose then what ever germs are on the note enter the cut and can lead to moles in your nose
so always use a straw

goa
13-08-2005, 14:31
^^ but notes are sexy, so what u do is roll a note up, and get the orange material bit of the end of a cigarette (rip out the filter), then fit the rolled up note through it, works great :D

KostoN
14-08-2005, 07:51
ya need a filter to roll up a note?? haha

Are you sure this stuff you got is 4-MAR? if so, don't ya just need a little bit to get ya 'peak' unlike meth..?

sonicnature
16-08-2005, 08:10
^ I'm sure it would be used to hold the note together, rather than holding it with your fingers. :)

eggman
16-08-2005, 09:29
^ Definately, I thought that was obvious, but I guess not ;)

If you are going to rail it, best to practice some harm minimisation and clean the nostrils out afterwards. Saline solution in a nasal degongestant spray bottle is just about perfect but you can also just snort some clean water up your nose and let it run out.

Just on Saline Solution though... Is anyone able to provide any input as to whether you can use contact lens type saline solution for nasal cleansing, or should you only use sterile saline solution as is the case with IVing?

sonicnature
16-08-2005, 11:14
^ If you are going to administer a substance such as ice or speed intranasally, I'm sure the sterility of the saline solution wouldnt really be an issue. Meth/4-MAR would definitely not be sterile.

eggman
16-08-2005, 14:15
^ Agreed. After researching the various chemicals present in the contact lens specific saline, those being -

sodium chloride (0.665% );
sodium perborate; and
hydrogen peroxide (0.006% )

I can almost see a benefit of those chems being present, especially the salt as many harm reduction sources for removing chemicals from the mucus membrane suggest adding salt to the water.

Biscuit
21-08-2005, 08:37
^ It is all about the concentration of the meth, not the amount of powder thats put up there.

Take this as an example - a container of hydrochloric acid you may put in your pool.

One container has 100ml 30% HCl. The other container has 500ml 6% HCl.

The amount of HCl in each container is the same. However, you put your hand in the 30% container and you will get some nasty burns. You put your hand in the 6% container and you probably will only feel a slight irritation.

Powders might be slightly different. But a well mixed sample of glucose and meth (1:1) will be absorbed together by the moisture in the membranes forming if you like a solution of 40% meth rather than say 80%.

Perhaps a more obvious example is to just ask yourself why heavily cut gear does not burn and strong gear does. Its because the strong gear is more concentrated and causes more irritation when it is insufflated and absorbed.

Splatt
25-08-2005, 02:46
How does the original poster know he definately has 4-MAR? Maybe he got it sold as Ice, then seletced a chemical name from here or erowid?

eggman
25-08-2005, 03:00
^ Assumptions. I guess we can only just take his word for it. At the end of the day the thread could be a good reference (perhaps :) ) for someone considering snorting 4-MAR in the future.

lorenzo_benzo
29-08-2005, 17:16
Does anyone know how to take glucose out of the ice mix? One of my friends can get some cut ice (crystal methylamphetamine) and I want to know how i can remove this so i can smoke it....

drugfuked
29-08-2005, 18:21
i would really like to see 4-mar gain its own slang term or for everyone to start using it because there has definately been 4-mar getting around in brisbane at least... it costs about the same as high priced meth (which seems expensive when meth prices fall) but for anyone who knows the difference (not many) it is WELLLLL worth the extra! i may be wrong but i believe its actually cut with meth (by bastards ;P)

im hopefully gettin my hands on some 4-mar soon and i will run the old ez-tester over it to be sure and give it an lil snort snort and tell yas how i go :) if u see someone on the news with a hole in his head after snorting THE DEADLY DESIGNER DRUG METH THE CLEAR CRYSTAL MITSUBISHI (lol) it means dont snort 4mar and the media is stupeeeed :)

lorenzo_benzo
29-08-2005, 19:22
I remember last year i got some real good 4-mar in brisbane valley better than any crystal meth i ever had. In the GC all i find is meth... but always cut with glucose.

Is it just me or why is everyone so afraid to smoke ice (4-mar or meth)? I would rather be more addicted then walking around with a gaping hole where my nose used to be. If you like cars, at least you can say that its a permenant body mod for hi flow air intake and will speeds u up 8o ... fucking tweakers 8)

jupiter blue
31-08-2005, 14:19
Id limit what you put up your nose if I were you. I used to be a big fan until my friend sneezed most of the inside of his nasal cavity across the room. Who knew so much would come out of those little nostrils.;)

eggman
31-08-2005, 16:06
^an over exaggeration I'm sure :)

BigTrancer
31-08-2005, 16:48
lorenzo: Try washing the glucose away with acetone - search for "acetone wash" for more info, it's been discussed in a few threads regarding washing impurities out of cut-meth.

BigTrancer :)

lorenzo_benzo
03-09-2005, 15:25
^ BigTrancer thanks for that man... I'll give it a try as soon as i'm back in the Gold Coast.

BTW Jupiter blue I also was an advocate of snorting till i started to notice dripping sounds comming from the insides of my nostrils... I'll think i'll smoke whatever comes my ways, cause at least my lungs won't excerete anything on anyone or anywhere at any random time ;), and I can live in lala land and pretend that my body is just fine 8).

tiggz
23-09-2005, 14:45
A 'friend of mine' snorts ice all the time. Like others have said, it's best to cut it first. My friends cuts her meth with dexies, it's smooth as... she uses roughly the formulae 1 dex to 1 point of ice. Bulks it out, doesn't hurt your nose, far less unpleasant, etc. You can cut to >1 dex or <1 dex depending on taste. Just make sure that you crush both the ice and the dex up into a fine powder first, you're set.

Yumm yummm can't wait until the weekend :)

tiggz
26-09-2005, 18:18
you mean my suggestion? 'sif it does. Seriously, though, can you point me to evidence of it being more dangerous than straight meth?

BigTrancer
27-09-2005, 05:42
I think dim_mak is referring to the tabloid headline that portray the mixture of 'pharmaceutical speed' with regular speed.

BT ;)