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Believe I have ADD. See GP or psychiatrist

SnatchMaster

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Hey. I'm not asking how to fake anything or how to scam drugs. So I think this thread can stay open?

Anyway, I did some research on ADD and ADHD for a while and it seems I have very many of the criteria for ADD. Now who do I see about this? Do I go to my local family doctor, tell him my symptoms and he'll refer me to a specialist in AD(H)D? Or do I go straight to the yellow pages and look for a psychiatrist? Or *MUST* one have to be referred from a local GP first? Thanks!

P.S. I live in West Australia if it matters...
 
If you don't go through a GP, you might find you don't qualify for the standard medicare rebate, which can be substantial.
 
If you don't go through a GP, you might find you don't qualify for the standard medicare rebate, which can be substantial.
Hmm well my doc knows about my cannabis and alcohol use and the few times i've done meth. So if I go in there and say "I think I have ADD" he'll think I probably just want the stimulant drugs and tell me to "fuck off". Which I don't want. I just want treatment for it so be it if its strattera.
 
Find a new doc then, as p_d said the costs can be substantial and its a gazillion times easier to find a suitable psych with a referral. (suitable being the key word there)
 
Yep, if your doc says that tpo you, then get a new one. It's his job to diagnose problems, not speculate about your drug habbits.
 
in this situation I would first approach your GP regardless of his/her awareness of your drug use. in cases like this a history with the doc is something that can be a deciding factor. (ie. seen as a reasonable guarantee your not doctor shopping)

If he is dismissive ask him to refer you to a specialist, perhaps a behavioral specialist or something. I know of at least one person who has been prescribed dex-amphetamine by a doc. who knew the individual had a history of drug use. This included amphetamines.
Stress the fact that you really just want to see if it improves your capacity to function normally.
 
The whole ADD debate really is controversial and there seems to be so many inconsistencies. One doc may wave it off whereas another will be totally receptive - thats especially true with psychiatrists. I was recently diagnosed with ADD and it became apparent to me that unless you find a psych that specifically deals with adult ADD you will have no chance of gettng a script.

It was strange with me - I did an online questionarre with a psychologist my doc referred me to. It came up as highly likely for ADD. Then, with my referral in hand, I sought out a psychiatrist that deals in ADD. After eventually finding one I spoke to him for like 10mins - the next thing I know Ive got a script for 100 dexies a month sitting in my hand... It was like all my chirstmas's had come at once!! Just kidding :)

Anyway it can be that easy - but that doesnt mean Im convinced that I actually have add. And if you end up getting a script yourself I dont think you ever will be either.
 
Ok Not to Make it seem that i think ADD or ADHD is a crock of shit, Just for some Constructive Critizim/Dissusion.

I belive we all have ADD to an extent.. With Social Trends and all that kinda bullshit, We all tend to Want some Kinda Attention/Appretiation, Some just more than others, Esspecially When it comes to your friend's

You got ya Quite Ones, Ya Loud Ones, And ya "look at Me Ones" Oh yeah and Ya No It All MATE Sterotypes And seen as though Your friends Are Your Friends Im sure they Wont hold it agains you For that.

Now on the other hand Perhaps GP's And Psycologists Have Kinda Resorted to Making this Disoreder Well Know, Just to Line There Pockets:\

Another thing Is it could Of been They way Your Pearents Brought Ya Up and Or Preservatives in Foods...

As For Adult ADD/ADHD i wouldnt know..

And No i dont really know much about this Disorder ( i Dont think it should be called a Disorder, Its Kinda Putting Down in A way)

Anyways Just a Thought ?

Peace Out

Dialated665
 
dialated665,

Obviously you do not have ADD/ADHD.

I have always eaten healthy and my parents are both of the legal profession.

I dont think its upbringing... That is for sure

Go look at all the research that has been done.

How come when people take medication it seems to relieve the symptoms, but when non ADD/ADHD persons take these same medications they do not get the same effects?
 
I don't think I have ADD, or ADHD. But I do also believe it is a very over diagnosed disorder, if you could classify it as a disorder.

By definition ADD -
Accurate diagnosis of ADHD in adults is challenging and requires attention to early development and symptoms of inattention, distractibility, impulsivity and emotional lability.

Each one of us experiences the respective symptoms to a certain extent. The issue is to what extent these symptoms cause problems during daily life. A person with ADD type symptoms can be useful in jobs that suit their personality, but instead they feel that there is something "wrong" with them. I don't think anything is wrong unless your behaviour is destructive and appaling. In which case you are more likely to be diagnosed as psychotic or schizophrenic.

With D-amphetamine at small doses there are very few people who do not experience an increase in concentration and rote motivation. If you find that you cannot function unless you do have this stimulant then you most likely do have ADD/ADHD. Otherwise you more likely have insecurities that need to be resolved. Try taking the D-amphetamine, I think you will most likely find that you will end up becoming dependent on it to function, in which case you will be dependent on the pharmacutical industry and will feed them money, what will you get out of it? A habbit? Perhaps, but I have not yet met anyone who has really benefited from the long term use of any stimulants. Or should I say, directly benefited.

My opinion...
 
You could always look into Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation. I know there are currently trials underway for the treatment of depression and ADD (also accepting schizophrenics now) if you are in Melbourne they hold these trials at The Alfred hospital. visit www.neuronetics.com for more information.
 
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how does anyone know how they have ADD, coz you read it on the net? GOSH! i cant see it being as simple as that... just coz you dont have teh concentration or whatever that another person does doesnt mean that you need to get a priscription...
how do you know that you just arnt the same as everyone else... dont just say, i think i have ADD... go see a doc... ADD isnt just the answer....
 
1) Most people unfamiliar with ADHD are unaware that there are actually several 'subtypes' of the disorder, some of which exhibit different symptoms than others, and some of which that are more common than others. For instance, there is the 'inattentive subtype' which is characterised by things like low concentration abilities, but which is NOT characterised by the stereotypical hyperactivity and restlessness that we usually associate with 'ADD kids.' As a result, most in the medical community regard the inattentive subtype as decidedly UNDER-diagnosed.

Having said that, I agree that ADHD is overdiagnosed overall. Sales in Ritalin and it's family of ADHD medications increased by around 500 per cent in the 1990s (sorry no reference on hand but there's plently to be found via google). One has to wonder why. Inceasing numbers of people into such drugs' recreational value may well be an importanty factor. At any rate, however, I've seen no evidence which suggests that more people are getting 'sick' (no flames please, I'm being sardonic). Instead, many have argued that in fact, social problems (stemming from increased consumerism and materialism in the West) are being medicalised when we really should be treating the causes rather than the symptoms. My apologies if that didn't make sense, I'm chock full of cold and flu medication at the moment thanks to one bitch of a flu that's flying around Adelaide.

and on a completely different note...

2) backindauk, I've never heard that claim (that ADHD medications only affect people who actually suffer from the disorder). Can anybody else shed any light on this? As I say, I've never heard it, but if it IS true then I might consider having a chat with my doc - One pill of insufflated methyphenidate always has me studying like a monk for 8 hours straight.
 
I know this might seem narrow minded and uneducated, but why fight it? Why not embrace it and use it for something positive. I can think of plenty of people who you could class as ADD but are doing positive things with their lives because of it.
 
Prescribing Restrictions and Secondary ADD

backindauk said:
dialated665,

Obviously you do not have ADD/ADHD.

I have always eaten healthy and my parents are both of the legal profession.

I dont think its upbringing... That is for sure

Go look at all the research that has been done.

How come when people take medication it seems to relieve the symptoms, but when non ADD/ADHD persons take these same medications they do not get the same effects?


What he's saying does have credence.
There is the strain of thought that ADD/ADHD can be caused, in part, by intolerances of food and particular preservatives.

I also believe that ADD is overdiagnosed in children, and that it could be better controlled by teaching parents how to more efficiently discipline their children (please do not jump on me for saying this - I am not saying that this applies to ALL or even MOST people with ADD/ADHD). Clearly it is a bit of a chicken or the egg situation, and I recognise that it would likely be a difficult cycle to overcome.

Finally, in response to the first post-
Do even the smallest amount of searching on the net and you should find out that a GP can not prescribe ritalin.
From memory, you must be referred to a Psychiatrist and(?)/or a neurologist. I'm not sure if the last bit is correct, but I remember when I looked it up that it was extremely restricted.

Moreover, you should do some research into how your age effects your chances of being diagnosed and prescribed medication.

When I looked into it, for the adult, you had to have documented proof of ADD problems whilst a child.

Although I understand why this is in place, it was completely shite for my situation. I got Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, having all my life been articulate and a hard worker who could focus for hours, and then ended up with massive attention problems and pseudodyslexia and pseudophasia... resulting from a kind of temporary brain damage that is inherent to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
My cognitive difficulties were such that at my worst I could not remember how to write down my name, nor my home address, nor how to spell simple words like "birthday" or "tomorrow". I had no memory of ever having met good friends and if I was going out, I would write notes to myself to remind myself what I was doing, but I would forget that the note was there or I wouldnt be able to work out what the notes meant.
eg.
"Oh what a lovely walk I'm on...
OH! I've got money (note) in my pocket! I didn't know I had that...
Oh only a piece of paper. Oh well. I wonder what it is. um ok that's my handwriting. Maybe I wrote a note to myself. Hmm what on earth does that mean..."

Or, for example, when handing in an assessment my teacher at uni exclaimed in desperation - "Pip! You've tried to hand in that assessment 4 times and I've already handed back 2 marked copies." (my docs had told me to keep on trying to use my mind).
Actually getting the assessments done was an absolute nightmare because I wouldnt remember or understand what I was doing for more that a second or two, and notes that I wrote myself never made any sense after those few seconds of insight.

Both my long and short term memory was completely destroyed and I could only focus on one thing at a time - for example it was almost impossible to talk to someone whilst there was any significant background noise.


Anyway -- long story short --

People who come down with CFS severely before the age of 16 are able to be treated as ADD patients, and therefore can be prescribed ritalin (which helps other CFS symptoms than just the attentional difficulties). They therefore have access to these medications as adults, in the extremely likely circumstance that their illness continues.

Those who come down with CFS severely after 16 - well tough luck.
It doesnt seem to matter that there is immense amounts of research out there proving that the cognitive problems associated with CFS are substantial and incapacitating.... coz we don't fit into the traditional image of ADD...
 
Sllip said:
I know this might seem narrow minded and uneducated, but why fight it? Why not embrace it and use it for something positive. I can think of plenty of people who you could class as ADD but are doing positive things with their lives because of it.

Do you have ADD? Coz if not, I don't think you have the experience necessary to give such advice.
It's a pretty difficult thing to overcome... I'm incredibly lucky that my problems are improving as I overcome my CFS... it must be an awful thing to have since childhood.
 
1. all the theories about food colouring and preservatives have been disproved using randomised control trials (probably not blinded control trials because how can you disguise the use/non-use of food colouring?!)

2. the concept of 'overdiagnosis' of ADHD is not a valid one. diagnosis is (in the most part) based upon meeting certain criteria set down in DSM-IV, a manual produced in the states. if a person meets enough of the criteria then they 'have' ADHD. there is no 'test' as such to diagnose this condition, it is a clinical diagnosis which means it is based upon observations made by the clinician (psychiatrist/GP) and from collateral information from school teachers/parents etc. so what I am saying is that the number of people with ADHD is arbitrary, ie, if you change the criteria, then you change the amount of people that 'have' the disorder. its similar to diabetes, apparently the number of people with diabetes is increasing, well that is mainly due to the fact that the lower cut-off point in the test for diabetes keeps dropping, hence the amount of people 'with' diabetes is increasing

3) the thing to remember in this condition is that ADHD most likely represents one extreme of the spectrum of human behaviour, just like some people are seven foot eight and others are four feet two, then some people will find it hard to concentrate in school or climb excessively (that is one of my favourite criterion from DSM-IV for ADHD!) and others will sit quietly and listen to their teachers. the important difference between being tall (the extreme from one continuum) and being 'inattentive etc' is that being inattentive at school has far more serious long term outcomes than being tall PLUS we can do something about being inattentive whilst we cant do much about being tall

4) ADHD medication works, but it is abused, just like a lot of drugs out there, however, in my opinion, the positives far outway the negatives. no matter what tom cruise thinks, there is no evidence to show that drugs such as Ritalin has any negative impact on peoples brain functioning and they are certainly no more a method of brain control than watching an hour of tv

my two cents
 
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