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KostoN
13-03-2005, 23:24
Maybe if you double dropped...

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/images/duration_chart_mdma.gif

Someone needs to change the posting guidelines on pillreports.

I've never peaked 5 hours off a pill not even four maybe 3 if im lucky...and no I don't take shit pills...only sometimes 8o

katmeow
14-03-2005, 01:10
Errrrmmm... to me that diagram looks like you rise to your peak by 1 hour, peak from 1-3 hours, then declines between 3-4 hours, before moving back to baseline in the next few hours.

Don't know how you see 5 hours peaking time there.

VelocideX
14-03-2005, 02:15
A very small number of people (most of seem to be females) get rediculous times out of pills... like 5 hour peaks. I'm under the impression that they're getting MDA, though, as it's longer lived.

chugs
14-03-2005, 03:01
perhaps its to do with that thyroid thing that BT was talking about? I know my wife gets great mileage from a quarter of a pill.....

Perhaps the graph is descrbing the plateau?

waspman⌐
14-03-2005, 03:29
i agree with VelocideX. MDA lasts for ages, and since it gets a bit harder to really, REALLY feel the love after a while of taking pills, i prefer MDA. especially for the crazy visuals.

Zandesh
14-03-2005, 03:34
I dumped a half once...peaking for about 3 hours....dumped another half and peaked for another 2-3 hours.

Mind you..the pill was possibly an mdma+mda combo..

Needless to say...I had the best fucking night of my life..

eKLaB
14-03-2005, 03:38
Double plugging will make you peak for 5 hours ;)

Zandesh
14-03-2005, 03:43
Well in theory it was ONE pill :p

its_all_goog
14-03-2005, 04:49
it happened with my first ever pill (or actually, my second since the first that night didn't do anything), but since then the most i've been able to peak for is about 2 and a half.

peaked
14-03-2005, 05:18
I think some may have misunderstood what koston means. I believe he's reffering to the pillreports guideline for a 10 which states "Real MDMA, Peak 5 Hours, Clean, Single Dose, Must be EZ-Tested!!", compared to that graph which appears to show that it peaks for not even 4 hours.

I think that graph may only be a rough guide, not something which is going to be definately true for everyone. Theres a huge number of factors to be taken into consideration, not only the obvious weight/age but also just the pure fact that no two people are the same, and some people are sensitive to mdma while others need much more just to feel an effect (and this is still true assuming those two people are the same age/weight and have consumed the same amount of times before). Personally, the longest i've peaked for was 5 hours (but this was on my first pill aswell, white stardust 2003) but since then I've also got a 4 hour peak from half a red rolex last year (though i had also had a 12 month break prior which im sure helped to make the experience much stronger).

EAZY-PING
14-03-2005, 06:34
If I have a month break from eating pills once a week, and I dont eat all day, get on to some awsome pill, and have a 6 pack off jimmy cans half done, THEN i might peak for around 4- 4 1/2 hours, considering i keep drinking and smoking weed.

swifty
14-03-2005, 07:29
Maybe they set the bar a little high so that every other pill on pillreports doesn't get a 10, and therefore, the site remains informative. What you're saying koston is that you want to give more pills a perfect score? Do many of them deserve it, I mean most pills I get peak for 2.5 - 3 hours, and what you're proposing is that they are worth a 10...
I think not.

Plus I've had pills that peak for 4.5 - 5 hours anyway. Not many but a few.

Cowboy Mac
14-03-2005, 07:52
Originally posted by KostoN
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/images/duration_chart_mdma.gif

Someone needs to change the posting guidelines on pillreports.
As you can see from that graph the peak is about three hours and in the fourth it drops significantly closer to baseline and this continues for the subsequent hours.

Regarding the pillreport guidelines and the system in general, no changes will be made to the existing system. The replacement system will have a completely new rating system so I wouldn't be too concerned, be patient until the new system is released.

bill joe
14-03-2005, 09:15
One of my first pill experiences i was fully fucked for atleast 5 hours i would say , i dropped at 12 and felt it till 6, that 5.5 hours once the pill kicked in but i nthe last half hour i only felt small amounts.

KostoN
14-03-2005, 09:32
Originally posted by katmeow
Errrrmmm... to me that diagram looks like you rise to your peak by 1 hour, peak from 1-3 hours, then declines between 3-4 hours, before moving back to baseline in the next few hours.

Don't know how you see 5 hours peaking time there.

Im arguing the fact that the posting guidelines state that a 9 is a 5 HOUR PEAK and that MDMA duration graph says 2-3 hours.

Maybe some people don't know the definition of PEAK compared to DURATION.

Mean Girl
14-03-2005, 10:15
She was just trying to help, which is what we like to do here, and I wouldn't advise you grump about the people trying to help you. Now you've both learned something :)

Statistics on peaking will never be completely perfect anyway, since the physiological factors interfering with each person are so varied.

eMMa
14-03-2005, 11:21
I had a really really strong pill once and i was so fuct for 6 hours. Didn't even realise at the time it had been that long. it felt like a very short time. it was really good. i never have that happen.

Cowboy Mac
14-03-2005, 12:50
Originally posted by KostoN
Im arguing the fact that the posting guidelines state that a 9 is a 5 HOUR PEAK and that MDMA duration graph says 2-3 hours.

Maybe some people don't know the definition of PEAK compared to DURATION.
Pill reports has been around since 1999 possibly 1998 and since then the site has gotten much bigger and web technologies have developed and improved. I wouldn't pay much attention to the current rating system, it is quite poorly thought out.

AndyzPsylocybes
14-03-2005, 12:56
people definately peak for 5+ hours.. i think it has alot to do with thougts at atmosphere aswell. i tend to peak ALOT harder and ALOT longer at raves for example...

katmeow
14-03-2005, 13:57
Originally posted by KostoN
Im arguing the fact that the posting guidelines state that a 9 is a 5 HOUR PEAK and that MDMA duration graph says 2-3 hours.

Maybe some people don't know the definition of PEAK compared to DURATION.


I thought you were just referring to the graph, because there was no reference to what was actually on pill reports.

KostoN
14-03-2005, 17:40
3rd line..but anyway technically on that graph peak drops significantly at 2.5 hours...thats how many i hours exactly i reckon i peaked off my first 10 pills...green smileys, blue dolphins, yellow pandas...etc never 5 why ive had like a 2 hour 'afterglow' after peaking but many times.

brokenbeat
14-03-2005, 23:44
i'm a small female and in my first year of dropping a pill a wkend two times a month for the first six months i peaked for five hours each time, it is possible, but definitely hasn't happened for a while, maybe the pills were stronger then, but more likely tolerance

pinkness
15-03-2005, 02:19
I peaked for a good 5 hours last weekend... as did my boyfriend.... total duration was about 7 hours... cleanest and most incredible high ever... It is possible!

TripsterC
15-03-2005, 03:02
Ive peak for 5 hours before on just 1 pill very hard and full on, i didnt care about the duration, after 5 hrs of full peak you start to feel abit tired and know you got your moneys worth which was enough however i have hardly come accross these types of pills now days, certainly i would like to find out what was in them, and yeah most of the times i get high qaulity stuff ive had biege a`s, blue aliens, yosemite sams, red russians, yellow doves, orange butterfly and last week i had green mitsubishis and they only last me around 2.5 hrs, im guesing those that last 5 hr must be mda mixed with ketamine or something since i was have alot of visuals

phase_dancer
15-03-2005, 05:52
Some tablet formulations are slower to dissolve or breakup in the stomach. This may alter the absorption rate, meaning the drug is absorbed more slowly - perhaps over a 1 hour or so - compared to a possible 5-10 mins for an equivalent dose of MDMA powder.

So while elimination half life isn't changed, the overall duration or intensity of effects may be altered. I believe this possibly also explains why some pills seem to produce waves or several smaller peaks.

There's also individual metabolism variations, particularly in relation to mixed function oxidases. ~1 in 10 people have a 2D6 deficiency. As this is the preferred route (most energy efficient) it's very likely those with a 2D6 deficiency may experience a slightly longer peak.

speedygonzales
15-03-2005, 06:26
I guess u could peek for five hours on an mdma + meth combo but more af a meth high after 3 hours

KostoN
15-03-2005, 09:06
What about MDMA + MDA combo pills, doesn't some of the MDMA turn into MDA in your system (i heard it) ? So say you had decent level MDMA with a bit of decent level MDA in a pill...you will feel the MDMA more first then followed slowly over a big duration the MDA effects because some is slowly converted to MDA...

Especially with a pill that is VERY hard pressed like phase_dancer said...


If you get what I mean...don't know how else to explain it

BigTrancer
15-03-2005, 09:57
Pharmacokinectic studies have shown that MDMA is rapidly absorbed into the human blood stream, but once in the body the metabolites of MDMA inhibit MDMA metabolism. As a result, subsequent doses of the drug produce unexpectedly high blood levels, which could worsen the cardiovascular and other adverse effects of this drug without increasing its "pleasurable" effects, which tend to peak about two hours after taking an initial dose. MDMA interferes with the metabolism of other drugs, including some of the adulterants in MDMA tablets.From: http://www.drugabuse.gov/Meetings/MDMA/MDMAExSummary.html

Gotta rush, will search for more later.

BigTrancer :)

KostoN
15-03-2005, 16:03
"pleasurable" but would that mean the afterglow ? Where you're not peaking but still feeling that nice warm loved up effect.


Peak for me is when im floored...jaw going wild....eyes twitching like a muthafucka...with distorted time.

Baby700
16-03-2005, 12:01
Originally posted by KostoN

Peak for me is when im floored...jaw going wild....eyes twitching like a muthafucka...with distorted time.

Ditto.

I suppose one way of peaking for that long is to take more than 1 pill. Say, have one pill (or double dump) and then 2-3 hrs later (depening on how you're going) have another one. That'll keep you peaking for around 5 hours, especially if they're good pills.

Peaking off one pill only though.....hmmmm.....mda......maybe caps......

swifty
16-03-2005, 12:12
Yup, caps do it, only thing is all the caps I've had have got like 4 - 6 points in em which is the equivalent on 2 - 3 good pills.

Fry-d-
16-03-2005, 12:46
How big are these caps your eating that fit more than half a gram?

If I had that much MDMA powder I'd be peaking for half a day =D

swifty
16-03-2005, 15:59
just the size of a normal gel cap.

KostoN
17-03-2005, 04:50
The caps i got like 5 months back had like 80% dark red powder and 20% pink powder maybe Red Mitsus and Pink MTVs crushed up...had around a half weight in them (scaled) peaked for at least 3.5 hours off these, they were great except sore temples the next day...


Thats like on average two pills really..(250mg each, medium size)

Ekstasis-//7
22-07-2005, 02:33
I read two studies a few months back and posted it on pill reports. From memory the first sayed that the MDMA breakdown into metabolite (MDA) was about 15:1 ratio. The second study was even slightly higher ratio ie. less MDA. My point being that you would need to take many MDMA pills (maybe 15-25) before you would have high enough ammount of the breakdown metabolite MDA to be getting effects from it in the same way as 1 or 2 good strengh MDA pills. That is if infact the metabolite MDA in the blood works on the brain in the same way as ingested MDA.

Over the last year I have taken pills usually less than once a month. Occasionally more frequently but also had breaks of around 3 months. On average around 2 pills per session. I have consumed capsules and pressed pills of supposedly high quality in Canada, and some very nice pressed pills in Germany and Switzerland as well as some average and some of the best pressed pills and capsules going around in Australia. I am male, have a pretty fast metabolism. ie I eat small meals and eat constantly. I have low body mass and very little body fat and about average height. I have preloaded and postloaded with 5-HTP in the last 5months.

I don't get hit all that hard on pills but still feel it quite well. MDMA works much like the average person on me. On the best of those pills I usually feel a peak for aprrox 10mins-30mins. In total I feel a very good platue for usually 2.5-3 hours. Then a nice peaceful mild glow for the next couple of hours and a mild mood lift after glow for aprrox 2 days. In terms of quantities here a Red Mitsubishi (supposedly GC/MS tested at 110mg MDMA) would definatly have me feeling the platue coming down before the 3 hr mark. I would need something of slightly higher strength than a red mistubishi (110mg MDMA) to feel a constant platue for 3 hours. I capsule of MDMA-MDA combo had me feeling a solid platue up until the 2.5 hour mark. It was supposedly 120mg and definately a stronger and a longer lasting platue than red or green mitsubishis. To not feel a significat drop before 3 hr mark It would have to be a very strong pill indeed.

My best guess is that I would need something in the rage of 150-180mg of MDMA or higher to get a solid platue for 3-4.5 hrs.

hoptis
22-07-2005, 03:10
I just found something funny. There's a real person in the world with the name "Peek Ng", I just saw it in a database that I work on. Can you imagine the fun she'd have out... "Hey, are you peakin?", "Hi, I'm Peek Ng...", "Are you peaking Peek Ng?"...LOL

I don't know about peaking, but this name is going to keep me amused for five hours. =D

Seriously, I'd have to take a break for a month, take 200mg 5HTP the night before and eventually eat about 300 to 350mg of MDMA at once to peak(Ng) for five hours straight.

crappybones
23-07-2005, 06:41
if im not wrong DXM is also broken down by the same pathways in the liver? so wouldnt adding a minute amount of DXM into an MDMA tablet give the pill a slightly longer duration. well a small enough dose of DXM, far from the rec. as that might cause dmg. can someone please correct me? no flames please

Splatt
23-07-2005, 06:43
The only way I could peak for 5 hours is if I took a nice dose of MDA then a nice dose of MDMA....

Normally when one pill gets you going for that long though, that's the smart combo they've used.

MoeBro
23-07-2005, 15:48
Originally posted by crappybones
if im not wrong DXM is also broken down by the same pathways in the liver? so wouldnt adding a minute amount of DXM into an MDMA tablet give the pill a slightly longer duration. well a small enough dose of DXM, far from the rec. as that might cause dmg. can someone please correct me? no flames please

It would provide a longer duration, but it'd also increase the risk of serotonin syndrome, which I'm sure is no fun at all.

Ekstasis-//7
25-07-2005, 05:19
After reading those Dutch pill reports... (pills lab tested at over 180 or even 200+ mg of MDMA) You would likely get a 4-5 hour platea off a pill of that strength wouldn't you?

I would consider the Dutch ratings on pill reports (ie. 180+mg MDMA = 9 200+mg MDMA = 10) to be much more accurate rating than our Australian BS ratings...

Dirty_Deed
25-07-2005, 06:31
hell if u want to peak 5+ hours just get some rc's like 2ci into ya..but yeah...mdma only lasts 3-4 hours at the most.

Peace Out

AndyzPsylocybes
25-07-2005, 14:18
I don't think i'll ever peak for 5 hours. although at raves i feel pills last much much longer. the peak normally lasts about 3-3.5 hours but i'd say after my peak dies im still on a plateau that can last anywhere up to 2 hours.

Rats_are_Dancin
26-07-2005, 18:16
I would say I nice MDA/MDMA dose maybe I might get a five hour peak, I had a 3.5 to 4 hour peak of a green fish a couple of years ago and that was at work hehehehe.
Peace LOve and Mungbeans