NEWS: Mezzmusic.com 19 Jan 01: Deadly ecstacy warning - PMA hits the UK

Deadly Ecstacy Warning: PMA Hits The UK
Birmingham police are reported to have seized ?substantial quantities? of PMA, the super-strong ecstasy type drug that has been linked with large numbers of fatalities around the world. The amphetamine-based tablets, which are sometimes designed to look like ecstasy tablets, are particularly dangerous because they?re much slower acting than ecstasy (and initially apparently weaker) prompting users to take more tablets and risk overdose. In fact, PMA is up to 20 times stronger than amphetamine, meaning taking even two tablets can be seriously risky...
Full article:
http://www.mezzmusic.com/index.cfm?URL=newzz_display.cfm&Story=441

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How ugly is the picture of the Mitsubishi?! Looks like it's been in someone's sock for a month.
Good pickup on the harm minimisation info from Australia - anyone have a copy of that Inpress article?
Also, two further articles on the same page, related to cannabis legislation and the UK's annual Jay Day.
BigTrancer
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do you know what the worst part is? if this was in australia we would probably never know for sure that it was PMA, maybe if people started dropping like flies, but if the govt. was doing gas chromotography testing we would know, let us use the bloody machine please

Hmm, apparently tablets siezed *are* tested by gas chromo-whatever, but the law (or police procedure) prevents the results being published. I've been told a friend of a friend works at a lab that occasionally does the testing on behalf of the police (something to do with the CSIRO) and this guy is a firm believer in harm minimisation. Not that results would be availible all the time but fingers crossed for a few snippets.
On the top of my list of things to find out: quantity *AND* list of ingredients, and what they use as binder. And the pills I'd most like to know the contents of: original tubros, tulips, yonexes, HQ's and Pokemons, as I think they have generated the most controversy (here at least).

Yes all seizures are Lab tested .This is public information but haven't yet found the source.There is a collum in a harm minimisation magazine that has % per pill and more info,this is written by a law enforcement officer.
He seems the person to contact to find the results from the seizures as this is what he uses to referise the % ect.Im not game yet to contact him. He does have his phone number at the bottom of the page as well.
Im currently working with a harm minimisation group who will publish the results of pills sent to a certain address.
I need someone Hopefully in Wa who is good at web page design,as the trade off for publishing these results is that they need a web site.
2 easy.
Please contact me if you can help.
This seems 99.99 % that it will happen
The tests will be done at the Gov Path labs Gas crom.

Cowboy Mac and Luco.
You are both wrong.
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wrong about what exactly, and what do you know?
jesus, that would have to have been the least helpful post i have ever seen....

Yeah, fair cop johnboy – I plead guilty on all counts.
All seizures are tested - large, small or personal. They have to be, it is evidence if a prosecution proceeds.
There is never any cover-up of results.
Contact the appropriate department - Local Police, Federal Police, Customs, Quarantine, Immigration, Etc., and whatever department it comes under, they must inform you of the results.
If a case is pending, the provision of this information can be delayed, but once it is a matter of public record there are no restrictions on the dissemination of any information unless instructed otherwise by the court, unless juveniles are involved.
Why did you make me type all this when I am pissed? I’m not even sure I’ve got it all right, and that includes the fancy UBB code.
Just another little thing on the side, every government department or agency will willingly provide you with the answers to any query you might have, provided it doesn’t encroach on “national security” and all that bull shit. I, personally, would read into that “Political Expediency” somewhere along the line.
Don’t take what I said as gospel, check it out for yourself, and if I’m wrong, abuse the living shit out of me (and I promise, I will try not to enjoy it)...
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Well, I got the Bold and Italic right - How do I drive the rest of this code?
If you think I am deserving of being privy to the secret, e-mail me, don’t post here, otherwise I am sure I will be slaughtered for encouraging an "off topic" conversation.
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ok i dont flame really at all, but bootlegger your being a tool. i was suggesting the use of gas chromotography where people could send in pills and they would get tested and results publishes, a la dancesafe. the police dont sieze every pill on the market and tell us their nice results. it was from a harm reduction perspective, i know they use gas chromotography, but we (the public) dont have any means of getting pills tested to that degree of accuracy.
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Well that opportunity has arisen.
Hopefully we will be able to test the pills we choose.
Ala Dansafe type.
Fingers crossed .

Each pill on Dancesafe that they test costs $100 us dollars a pop (Whoa!), and are doen by a private company.
Are there companies like this in Australia?
Also are quantative results legal in Aust?

Cowboy mac:

do you know what the worst part is? if this was in australia we would probably never know for sure that it was PMA, maybe if people started dropping like flies, but if the govt. was doing gas chromotography testing we would know, let us use the bloody machine please

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Sorry, I guess I misread your post. I took it as meaning that if this info on PMA surfaced in Australia rather than Britain then we would never know about it.

ok i dont flame really at all, but bootlegger your being a tool. i was suggesting the use of gas chromotography where people could send in pills and they would get tested and results publishes, a la dancesafe.

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I get where you are coming from now. You would like to see a Government established testing lab that published it’s results similar to that found on Dancesafe.
It took you 2 posts to explain that and along the way you called me a tool. I somehow think that puts you in the category of fool, don’t you?
funkyfella:
You are right. Dancesafe does not test the pills. I am pretty sure the testing is carried out by “Drug Detection Laboratories” in Sacramento.
What I do know as fact is that since May 2000 all testing is paid for by a guy by the name of Bob Wallace ( [email protected] ) who owns a book store that specialises in psychedelics. (E-mail [email protected] or visit http://www.promind.com ).
Anybody that forks out $100.00 for every pill that is submitted to Dancesafe for testing deserves some sort of plug.
Provided the Laboratory carrying out the tests has the appropriate licences/permits, yes it is legal for the results to be made available to the public in Australia. I assume White Smoke would have all the appropriate info on that side if things.
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