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Dope causes demon spawn to come forth and destroy your family and world....

Psychadelic_Paisly

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How dope unleashes the demon within
December 24, 2004
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/12/23/1103391887721.html?feed=rss

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Using cannabis during adolescence and young adulthood "increases the risk of psychotic symptoms later in life", a recent study found.

Marijuana is still seen as a "soft" drug, despite growing evidence it can cause severe mental torment - especially among the young. By Jock Cheetham.

Dave's sister worried when he began spending days staring at the backyard. He saw faces in the trees, but she saw nothing. And Dave got angry because the family couldn't see the faces. "I felt like God was talking to me," Dave says. "You know, showing me signs like the clouds in the shape of a peace sign, the faces in the trees, the way the trees used to dance to the music in my head."

Dave, 22, has smoked cannabis since he was 16. He has also used ecstasy. His story fits a disturbing profile. Australians are smoking more - the number of 20-year-olds who have smoked cannabis has trebled in 30 years, the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare says. And Australians are starting younger - almost 40 per cent of those born in the early 1980s had smoked cannabis by the time they reached 16.

Rates of anxiety and depression among young people have risen markedly in each of the past five decades, the Mental Health Council of Australia says. But for some parents who grew up during and since the counter-culture generation, cannabis continues to symbolise freedom, rebellion and broad-minded perspectives. Their views are often based on out-of-date information, says Ian Hickie, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Sydney.

"The social discussion has really been downplayed by people of my generation - middle-aged people who've grown up where smoking cannabis has been an important part of the culture," says Hickie, a board member of the Mental Health Council of Australia. "They have this idea that cannabis is just like alcohol and is our preferred substance of use. It hasn't hurt us so much, so why are we worried."

Two of Hickie's concerns relate to mental illness - depression and the rise in diagnoses of drug-induced psychosis. "Basically, anyone who turns up with a schizophrenia-like illness and they're smoking cannabis and they're taking ecstasy, the first few times we see them, we call (it) drug-induced psychosis. "But if you follow people up, the great majority of them turn out to have schizophrenia, but later on." This lag until the appearance of schizophrenia could be 10 years or more, he says.

The symptoms are disturbing, Hickie says. "Kids who are psychotic have symptoms such as social withdrawal and are not able to form relationships. Typically people will hear voices, they will develop suspicious ideas, they won't trust their family, they'll withdraw from social events, they'll often become quite apathetic."

Dave's illness - diagnosed as drug-induced psychosis - has turned the middle-class family from Sydney's inner west upside down. "It's the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with in my life. And the screaming, the screaming. One night Dave was going off and we were holding the door trying to stop him going out. He has a very abrupt manner, which he never used to be like," says Dave's mother.

She cries as she confesses her guilt over feeling that she neglected her daughter during her final school year because the family was focused on Dave, who has been admitted to hospital four times in two years during psychotic episodes. "At the time he went to hospital, his thoughts were very jumbled."

His father says: "He thought he was either Jesus Christ or a messenger."

"Prophet!" Dave cuts in.

"A prophet of God," his father says. "And he had to save the world. That was his main trip that he was on. He thought he was going to die."

Dave's father says he feels like he has aged 10 years in the past two. "Dave has become very introverted," he says. "We just want him to be like he was. It put a big strain on our (the parents') relationship, too. There were more arguments in the house, before we knew what was going on. I'd always try to pacify and it used to blow up in my face."

Dave left his job in late 2002 and he stopped going to university. He has not worked solidly since. He sold his television, and then began selling everything he owned to buy cannabis. He stole from his parents.

A new study from Maastricht University in the Netherlands has added to the evidence of links between cannabis and psychosis. The study of 2400 young Germans, published two weeks ago in the British Medical Journal, found "exposure to cannabis during adolescence and young adulthood increases the risk of psychotic symptoms later in life". The risk is even greater, the researchers say, for people who are predisposed to psychotic symptoms.

"If you have a family history or a personal history of mental instability you should not use cannabis," says Cecile Henquet, one of the researchers for the Maastricht study. Smoking cannabis before the age of 16 carries a much higher risk of psychotic disorders and the risk rises the more frequently the drug is used.

The Maastricht study conforms with other findings, says Professor David Castle, of the University of Melbourne and the Mental Health Research Institute. "We're finding that more and more of the associations between cannabis and later mental illness, especially psychotic disorders, are being replicated. It's more difficult to say it's one study and one finding and dismiss it."

Once the psychotic episodes have begun, though, the consequences can be severe and long-lasting, Hickie says. "Untreated psychotic episodes can go on for six or 12 months. Stopping drugs is an essential part of managing these conditions, if you can."

But stopping drugs may not be enough to end the psychosis, because they have "precipitated an autonomous brain process, and you've got to treat that brain process". Previously researchers thought that brain development finished by 16 or 17. But modern brain imaging techniques reveal development continues - mainly in the frontal lobes - at least until the early 20s, Hickie says.

The frontal lobes are important in the development of reasoning, developing more sophisticated judgements, understanding of social interactions, and of planning - the higher cognitive functions.

"It's a continuing process," says Hickie. "The earlier the exposure to drugs that may in some way interfere with that process, the more likely it is there'll be harm.

"So the cognitive or emotional changes that precede the onset of psychosis are often happening in 13-, 14-, 15-year-olds. It's absolutely a gradient. The longer you can delay exposure, the less likely it is there will be harm from that exposure. In a public information sense that means emphasising strategies to delay exposure."

The risks are greater because young people are starting to smoke cannabis very young now, says Castle, who edited a recently released book, Marijuana and Madness. "First of all you've got a longer period of exposure. You've also got the situation where you might escalate your use or move on to other drugs.

"If you're impairing those sorts of functions at a critical stage in your intellectual development, i.e., in your teens, when you're setting the template for the rest of your life, you can land up on a very slippery slope.

"Because you're losing that window of opportunity in your teens to develop a whole lot of skills, learn a whole lot of information, get the educational platform that will allow you to go on to higher education, those sorts of things. You never get it back."

Castle and Hickie cite the work of a team led by Professor George Patton, of Victoria's Centre for Adolescent Health, which has linked regular cannabis smoking to depression. The study, also published in the British Medical Journal, found weekly cannabis use in teenagers "predicted an approximately two-fold increase in the risk for later depression and anxiety".

And the study found that "the prevalence of depression and anxiety increased with higher extents of cannabis use, but this pattern was clearest in female participants".

The Melbourne study also challenged the popular hypothesis that people with anxiety or depression self-medicated with cannabis. Not all studies have replicated these findings, and the academics believe more study is needed to confirm the links.

Nonetheless, the rates of anxiety and depression among young people have gone up markedly each decade in the past 50 years, Hickie says. So each generation has higher rates of anxiety and depression than the one before, and also higher rates of substance use.

"That doesn't prove that drugs are the cause," he says. "But one of the hot debates is whether the patterns of substance abuse have driven up the rates of anxiety and depression. And if that were the case you'd see exactly what we're seeing."

Many people are not fully aware of their family's history of mental illness. Dave's father believed his family had no mental illness. But on reflection he recalls that one of Dave's grandmothers and a great-aunt had committed suicide.

These factors were enough to suggest the likelihood of mental illness in the family, says Professor Wayne Hall, of the University of Queensland. In this situation, "I would say don't smoke cannabis, and I would caution about alcohol use, because that's another potent contributor to suicide in people with psychiatric illness".

Dave, who like his family spoke on the condition of anonymity, stopped smoking frequently last month. And his delusions have declined since he was prescribed lithium in hospital, his father says. He has been offered a full-time job in his chosen field after more than two years without regular work. The family is looking positively towards the future.



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Christ allmighty... What was the actuall point of this article? A little surprised to read this in 'The Age'.... Bah, whatever, these articles are so... stupid. Same old shit for the last 50 years.
 
The Mj will definatley introduce you to the demon within , to which you will probably giggle at.
 
I heared some people say theres spirits flying around the casino but dont know if its true or not.
 
^^^
I'm sure there are a lot of articles about problem gambling as it's a pretty big problem.

I think this is a pretty good article if it could make heavy smokers think about what they're doing. I think pot is a lot 'heavier' than some people think and can do a lot more damage than some people think. When i was in yr 9 to yr 12 I used to smoke every day and thought it was so great. Eventually though it got to the point where I had to smoke it just to feel normal. Now I only have it once or twice every few weeks and that feels much better. I don't think there can be much doubt that smoking pot every day does damage to you - I've been down that road and I see my friends who still do smoke every day having trouble similar to what's mentioned in the article. Like anything moderation is thew key....

just my 2 cents
 
I seen this thing on national geographic about this native tribe.
all they did was smoke fat blunts all day everyday.
no matter what they were doing either
the kids, the parents, the grandparents, the oldest dude in the tribe.

if they were eating, they were smoking a blunt, if they were cooking, they were smoking a blunt, if they were building a hut they were smoking a blunt.

i think the only time they wernt smoking, is when they were sleeping.

I bet they have ZERO cases of psychosis.
 
It was hilarious, i mean.... it was comedy at its finest, this shit was better than cheech and chong.

their language was unbelivable, all it sounded like was

mumble mum mumb mumble mumbleeeeeeeee more mumbles.

i wish i had it on tape, it was great to smoke up to.
classic. I really cant remember where they were located, but it was freakin remote.
 
i think if you smoked weed all day every day then you have a pretty good chance of developing psychosis.
 
I pretty much do.

I think the problem lies with smoking weed AND taking other drugs.

Many members of my family have smoked weed their whole lives, some who are now 50, and I can guarantee they started before/around 16.

if you start to flip, you have to stop.
maybe these people were already psychotic before they started smoking weed, and it just trigged it.

my view on weed is that it is a soft drug. I know more people who smoke than don't. Members of my family who smoked alot from when they were young, were quite successfull in life, some with government jobs. bank managers, and so on. A couple of them have stopped now, but after 40 years, id gather you MIGHT get sick of it.
 
Also, people grow weed with all sorts of chemicals and hormones thesedays, maybe that has more to do with it, than the actual weed it self? AND people don't even flush it properly after using multiple chemicals.

root hormones, grow chem, bud chem, rock juice.

all that shit, go into a hydro store and see all the chems.

I REALLY doubt weed that is grown naturally outdoors will cause psychosis anymore than picking your nose.

Driving in traffic causes pshycosis, not the HERB!
 
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My view of weed it is far from soft. It is the one drug that I can not touch without ending up a fucked up mess in the corner greening out not knowing what is going on. Thankfully I have recently been in contact with some Charis Hash which gives a beautiful high without the head fuck or messyness =D yummy.

In my book, general pot = a no go zone...
 
^Well everyone responds differently dude, i have been smoking cheeba for years and feel almost nothing until about the fifth cone, and never have i recieved any form of crazy psychedelic visuals.

I'm not going to say it is a soft drug, as i have seen a friend develop a form of extreme paranoia from it, although his use was absolutely exhorbitant, it was definitely an eye-opener. On a whole, a little bit of weed won't do anyone any harm in my opinion, assuming no family history of psychosis. The main negative side-effect i think the weed has caused for me is a numbing of emotion at times, and a lack of motivation, not really what i would consider to be life destroying.

IMHO, meth is the drug which brings out the devil!
 
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Can you honestly say that happened BEFORE you took any other drugs Psychadelic_Paisly?
Im only assuming you take drugs with a name like that :)

I cant smoke weed for about a week after taking any other drugs.
after meth i get extremly paranoid about problems that simply don't exist. in other words, i create my own problems that were never problems to begin with, i dont get paranoid about people or federalies trying to get me.

after E, i get extremely physically sick, my head is in a whirl, i feel like throwing up, and its pretty painfull. This only happened after about a year of moderate use, it never happened when I first started, but it happens after a decent bender thats for sure.

when i havn't taken drugs for a month or two, none of that shit happens, and its the same old joyfull mellowness.
 
its impossible to confuse hash with opium, they look and smell totally different
 
If you had never tried nor seen either of them though Samson, it may be a little less impossible to mix them up ;)

Anyway, I dont think hash is as rare in australia as some people seem to think, I mean its not particularly hard to make it, as long as u have enough bud in the first place. In the past year i've managed to score hash 5 times, which I guess isn't lots but its still definately around. It ranged from good (an oil) to excellent ( a small block ). The reason I believe it was excellent was because the one cone I had with a tiny bit of hash sprinkled on top made me feel like i'd had 10+ normal bongs. I guess like most drugs though it just comes down to who you know.

As for the age article, its interesting but personally I think they should focus more on finding out wether people who are depressed are more likely to abuse weed rather than saying that people who abuse weed are more likely to become depressed.
 
Theres proper hash around, stuff youd find in Amsterdam coffee shops. But its definatly harder for me personally to come accross than most other drugs thesedays.
(although i havn't REALLY tried to source it in the last couple of years)
No hash doesn't give more "freaky" effects, its more of an uplifting high. And the taste.... ahhhhhhhh sweet sweet chocolate.
 
the only hash i've ever had was a very indica type i think...i guess if it was made with sativa strains then it may have more of a headfuck effect rather than a relaxing and couch-lock high.
 
Woah... No posting for a while...

Ok, lets get these questions answered ;)
Firstly, I was drunk when I posted that so it was a little 'over exagerated' :p ;) Pot was the first drug I started using and it always destroyed med and still does. 1/2 a joint and I'm fucked. 1 or 2 cones and it's sit down and no talk time. It's hard to moderate pot for me when it hits me so hard.

And Deformed_Neuron; as for the hash being 'real' hash (Charis) it certainly is. A couple of flecks smoked and you're fucked up =D Also, my uncle who used to smoke it all the time when he went to India was EXTREMELY excited to see it again as it is VERY rare here, as you stated.
 
Well, I thought that the heavy of alcohol was beneficial to your health.

Give me a break... Heavy use of any substance is banned. Hey, try using tobacco heavily. I am sure you can stop whenever you want, so its not that much of a problem. :) Atleast its easier to quit pot once you start, that is if you don't mix it with tobacco.
 
Anyone whose dismissing this as falacy is kidding themselves. I've seen a couple of people now completely lose it due to pot use. Myself included.

However, each time it has been HEAVY daily use, or, in my case, small daily use (one or 2 cones a night), in conjunction with a meth habit.

Like lep said, it's all about HEAVY use. MY pot usage wasn't heavy, but my meth usage sure was. Without the pot, I'm not sure the meth would've hurt me as bad, but I know without the meth, the pot wouldn't have.

I still smoke, but have paid a heavy penalty for my drug abuse... Now, if only I could learn from my mistakes...

Moderation is the key...

Anyone know where I can get some?
 
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