Zaineaol
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I have an ex girlfriend who is a diagnosed schizophrenic, and on medication.
She also has an addiction of sorts to amphetamines.
In her case, it's like Bad vs. Evil, the two don't mix well together, as both produce psychosis at times. It has become clear that at smaller doses, and much faster, the onset of psychosis occurs.
I've seen dellusional paranoia without drugs, so i know she's real about her schizophrenia, and i've seen the medication, not that i can remember the exact names of the drugs she is on.
I've been reading up on the condition of Stimulant Psychosis, and here is a few facts from a website i found:
Thats some breif information i found, and i found it to be quite conclusive with what i have witnessed.
On another spectrum, is my 16 yr old friend.
He is tremendously over weight (last weighing in at 124kg) he is about 173cm tall.
He first smoked crystal meth-amphetamine on my birthday, 2nd of June 2004. Since a terrible addiction occured, dispite my attempts to lure him away from the drug.
I recently moved away from the town in which we lived, but i still have frequent contact with him.
The last week, he has smoked (with a crack pipe thank god), 4 grams of meth, and purchased 5.7 (please don't remove these numbers, as they are facts important to my story). On the sunday, he was comming to visit me, with the remaining 1.7grams of meth.
On the sunday morning, i called him, as soon as i woke up, to make sure (yes i wanted meth too, so don't tell me im lying) he was okay, and to get him to come over, we talked for 2 hours. During that time, he told me many things, part of our conversation goes like this:
"They're outside man!" said friend X
"Who man?" I reply
"Them, i don't know who they are.." - X
"Dude, i doubt there's anyone there, you've been awake for 4 days" - Zaineaol
"I know they are there, i can see them" - X
"MAN there is no one there, ur probably expieriencing psychosis dude... remember i told you about it last night, when i said to get some sleep" - Zaineaol
"Bro, they are there i know it, they want my meth!" - X
"X, go out side, i guarantee there is no one there! No one is gunna take ur meth, just trust me man" - Zaineaol
"Fuck man, they're gonna run thru my house! i know they are, they've been outside for hours" - X
"Dude, they arn't there, i gotta go, and go back to sleep for a bit" - Zaineaol
And i hung up
I re-awoke, and called back at about 9:00am, his symptoms had seemed to get better, but not by much. Throughout our conversation, i talked him into leaving the house and going to the train station to come to my house.
When i contacted him 2 hours later, he told me that they got him, they were really there - which they were not.
He then came to the conclusion it was not them who got him.
His story goes something like this:
"I left my house, and got around the corner, u know, near where ur old house is. Some guys came up and asked me for a ciggarette, i've never seen them before. The letterbox next to me was smashed up, so i got a brick and pegged it at him! I thought they were after my meth!"
"About 3 of em' crash tackled me, and they called the cops"
The police got him, and his 1.7g of meth, and let him go!
They took the meth, called his mother, and thats all, they didn't even tell his mum what drugs he was on, she knows he smokes pot, and is cool with it, but not speed and meth, she'd freak.
Anyway, in light of this, has anyone who has expierienced, or dealt with someone in psychosis, tell me your thoughts, and expieriences.. it'd be appreciated, i'd like to learn more about the condition!
She also has an addiction of sorts to amphetamines.
In her case, it's like Bad vs. Evil, the two don't mix well together, as both produce psychosis at times. It has become clear that at smaller doses, and much faster, the onset of psychosis occurs.
I've seen dellusional paranoia without drugs, so i know she's real about her schizophrenia, and i've seen the medication, not that i can remember the exact names of the drugs she is on.
I've been reading up on the condition of Stimulant Psychosis, and here is a few facts from a website i found:
AMPHETAMINES
Amphetamine psychosis is a toxic reaction closely resembling schizophrenia that may occur after chronic, short-term, or single large-dose amphetamine use. Onset of symptoms with IV usage can occur within 30-75 minutes. With oral ingestion, the syndrome may be seen within hours in apparently sensitized subjects by as little as 55 to 75 mg of dextroamphetamine. Characterized as a paranoid psychosis, the syndrome was first described by Young in 1938, six years after the introduction of amphetamine as a decongestant and narcoleptic (Young and Scoville 1938). Presentation In 1958, Connell (1958) published his classic study of amphetamine psychosis in 42 patients (27 males, 15 females) which represented the first large sample that described this syndrome. He conducted a structured psychiatric and drug history interview of these patients, who had been hospitalized because of violence, suicide attempts, and requests for police protection. Twelve patients reported being chased by a gang; another ten complained of persecution of one kind or another. All patients provided extremely detailed information about their paranoia. Importantly, Connell noted that it was difficult to nearly impossible for an experienced psychiatrist to differentiate between amphetamine psychosis and paranoid schizophrenia. Over a third of the patients on whom drug histories were available received the drug from their physicians for indications that included fatigue, depression, "pep," and obesity. The doses that produced the reactions were coarsely estimated as ranging from 50 to 1687 mg. Among this group, doses of greater than 500 mg/day were common. Although the majority of the patients developed the reactions after prolonged drug use, nine (21%) developed psychotic reactions after a single dose or a large dose divided over a three-day period. The entire series consisted of patients ingesting the drug orally. The most important clinical sign of the toxic psychosis was the lack of disorientation in these individuals and positive schizophrenic-like symptoms. Delusions of persecution, in 34 (81%); hallucinations, in 29 (69%); ideas of reference were present in 26 (60%); auditory visual hallucinations, in 21 (50%); tactile hallucinations, in 5 (12%); and olfactory hallucinations, in 4 (10%). In the 35 patients on whom information was available, 77% recovered in six to seven days. The most obvious symptoms of withdrawal were dysphoria followed by sleepiness. Angrist and Gershon (1969) described 60 amphetamine-related admissions to Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital in New York City. The patients had been using oral or IV amphetamines for a mean of 3.7 years (once to 20 years) at a mean dose of 166 mg/d (20-800 mg/d). Table 1 shows the primary presenting symptomatology in the patients. Table 1. Presenting symptomatology of 60 amphetamine psychosis admissions. Paranoid-hallucinatory psychosis 19 (32%) Paranoid psychosis 13 (22%) Hallucinosis 4 (7%) Suicide attempts or gestures 4 (7%) Bizarre behavior 4 (7%) Exhaustion 3 (5%) Barbiturate overdose 3 (5%) Emotional lability 3 (5%) Destructive outbursts 2 (3%) Assaultiveness 2 (3%) Bell (1973) was able to produce an amphetamine psychosis in 12 of 14 patients dependent on amphetamine within usually 30-75 minutes of the start of an IV infusion. The dosing endpoint was when the blood pressure increased by 50% of its resting level. All except four of the injections were concluded within an hour while the remainder were terminated within 75 minutes. Total doses of 55-640 mg produced paranoid delusions in 12/14 (86%) of the subjects. The paranoia was mild in most subjects. Many tried to conceal the fact that they were experiencing a psychosis. The constant features were paranoia in a setting of clear consciousness, ideas of reference and ideas of influence. The psychosis lasted from 1-2 days in 9 cases and for 6 days in 2 cases and 26 days in a patient who was actually covertly ingesting his own amphetamine "stash" while in the hospital. Auditory hallucinations were reported in eight (57%) while visual hallucinations were reported in five (36%) patients. On recovery all except two of the 12 who had become psychotic described auditory and/or visual hallucinations. Interestingly, all 12 while intoxicated attempted to conceal their psychotic symptoms, even when it was clearly evident from their abnormal behavior and speech that they were psychotic. Importantly, no evidence of delirium was noted in any of these cases. This is of forensic importance in that intoxicated patients may be paranoid and hallucinating but not disoriented, confused or having memory difficulty.
Thats some breif information i found, and i found it to be quite conclusive with what i have witnessed.
On another spectrum, is my 16 yr old friend.
He is tremendously over weight (last weighing in at 124kg) he is about 173cm tall.
He first smoked crystal meth-amphetamine on my birthday, 2nd of June 2004. Since a terrible addiction occured, dispite my attempts to lure him away from the drug.
I recently moved away from the town in which we lived, but i still have frequent contact with him.
The last week, he has smoked (with a crack pipe thank god), 4 grams of meth, and purchased 5.7 (please don't remove these numbers, as they are facts important to my story). On the sunday, he was comming to visit me, with the remaining 1.7grams of meth.
On the sunday morning, i called him, as soon as i woke up, to make sure (yes i wanted meth too, so don't tell me im lying) he was okay, and to get him to come over, we talked for 2 hours. During that time, he told me many things, part of our conversation goes like this:
"They're outside man!" said friend X
"Who man?" I reply
"Them, i don't know who they are.." - X
"Dude, i doubt there's anyone there, you've been awake for 4 days" - Zaineaol
"I know they are there, i can see them" - X
"MAN there is no one there, ur probably expieriencing psychosis dude... remember i told you about it last night, when i said to get some sleep" - Zaineaol
"Bro, they are there i know it, they want my meth!" - X
"X, go out side, i guarantee there is no one there! No one is gunna take ur meth, just trust me man" - Zaineaol
"Fuck man, they're gonna run thru my house! i know they are, they've been outside for hours" - X
"Dude, they arn't there, i gotta go, and go back to sleep for a bit" - Zaineaol
And i hung up
I re-awoke, and called back at about 9:00am, his symptoms had seemed to get better, but not by much. Throughout our conversation, i talked him into leaving the house and going to the train station to come to my house.
When i contacted him 2 hours later, he told me that they got him, they were really there - which they were not.
He then came to the conclusion it was not them who got him.
His story goes something like this:
"I left my house, and got around the corner, u know, near where ur old house is. Some guys came up and asked me for a ciggarette, i've never seen them before. The letterbox next to me was smashed up, so i got a brick and pegged it at him! I thought they were after my meth!"
"About 3 of em' crash tackled me, and they called the cops"
The police got him, and his 1.7g of meth, and let him go!
They took the meth, called his mother, and thats all, they didn't even tell his mum what drugs he was on, she knows he smokes pot, and is cool with it, but not speed and meth, she'd freak.
Anyway, in light of this, has anyone who has expierienced, or dealt with someone in psychosis, tell me your thoughts, and expieriences.. it'd be appreciated, i'd like to learn more about the condition!