A rant I'll regret, I'm sure

Yes, pill reports are pissing me off. I've stayed away from posting there for the last eight months, even though I had what I thought were constructive comments, simply because I didn't have a tester. Now I have one and I intend to contribute reports that are informative for people who, like me, have a wide range of sources from which to choose from.
If I were a wine buff, I could read any amount of literature recommending vintages, vineyards etc. However, pillreports is the only place I can get 'constructive' info on what REALLY interests me. So why the fuck do I have to read about green CU's getting a rating of 10, a view endorsed by four or five other posters, yet not have an e-z test report? Let's start treating this site as what it is - our only opportunity to share real, relevant information as a community, not a bunch of twats who want to show off how fucked up they can get.
PISSED OFF AL # 2
The problem I see with many people, both on this site and in clubs, is that they confuse MDMA with speed. Speed is [and here comes the contentious rant] more suitable a drug to use in a club than MDMA. Speed is more sociable, more active, more idiotic, more focussed [in a dance sense], more ... MORE!
My experience with MDMA of old, and it must said, the better pills that are coming out lately, is that a club is useful as a place that's dark and accepting of goofed up people, and a great place for visuals etc. but that's about it.
People who say they only ever get MDMA pills for going out, then top up with speed before and during their evening, should think twice about blasting [pun not intended] speed based pills and those that use them.
When I was going to clubs 15 years ago as a youngy in NZ, everyone drank themselves silly [only] and danced ALL night. It's youth that allows a person to dance all night, not Ecstasy. Oh fuck, now I'm sermonizing and that's not what I meant to do. OK, here's my real rambling rant ... those who think they're smacked out on pills at clubs are probably experiencing MDMA ... think back to it's [re]origins in the 70's as a psycho-therapeutic drug ... psychiatrists didn't prescribe this to people on the dancefloor ... it was used in quiet, safe and [fairly] familiar surroundings to get disturbed people to work through problems.
PLEASE ... think before you post and, if you can afford to, experiment with [purple/black tested] goods at home with friends before adding distorted reports to pillreports.
All right, feel free to abuse me
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'The Freaks Come Out'
[This message has been edited by AL (edited 29 July 2000).]

*applause*
check your mail

.exactly!!!!!
i couldnt of said it better!!

no abuse here, al. i think the concept of pillreports is a great idea but i've only been in there a couple of times because, unfortunately, a lot people offer very subjective opinions about how good their night was when they happened to have a particular pill.
i'm going to join in the negativity here for a second, please bear with me. the biggest thing that pisses me off about the judgments is comments like 'it was great but i had 1 of these & 1 of those pills beforehand.' of course you're going to be fucked if you take three pills, no matter how good they are.
i'll stick to my tester, thanks.
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to the crazy person, the normal one is insane

Ok just quickly, I agree with the pillreports part but not about the speed stuff , even though you sorta said it was contentious I just cant let you get away with what you said . "Speed is more sociable" , well seeing as you said MDMA was used as a therapeutic drug to open people up, isnt that a bit contridictory, seeing as MDMA opens you up more than any other drug. And as well all know you can dance fine on ecstasy, it actually puts you in a chargy state if your in the right frame of mind, speed still rocks but its only better for clubs in your opinion. Smacky people are smacky cause they sit down and want to be smacky Oh and i hate that word. Each to there own.

I think Pill Reports is a fantastic idea and with the resources they have available they do a better job than the ones we have on The Peak! (we just can't get access to as many pills obviously).
BUT, your concerns are the same as ours and are the same reasosn that led us to start the photo inclusive ones we do on The Peak! now. As an unbiased, 'scientific' reports section, Pill Reports fails badly. Are we even talking about the same pills?...how do we know (without a photo, which most there DON'T have, we have no idea!)...
I don't need to go on...the difference in approaches is obvious...suffice to say, with ALL the info at our fingertips perhaps we are better off overall...but please make sure you look at it ALL first (including, hopefully, your own personal testing results)...
stay safe..
Oh, and 'slightly' O.T...."who wouldn't be the one you love?"...how beautiful is THAT?!?
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You're right Nickstar, speed is, in MY opinion, a dance drug. Speed gives you energy, something us thirty somethings don't have a great abundance of.
Personal experience thang ... last night at Seven, googed up to the max, could barely move, two lines of base later and I was a twisting, shaking, grooving, annoying lord of the dance.
P.E 2 ... bucket loads of go at
Billboards[!] last week and I couldn't stop the hip swivelling.
The point I was trying to make is that users should experiment with REAL pills in non club surroundings to give themselves a better understanding of their mind/body reaction to true MDMA. Geddit?
It's interesting that you say 'MDMA opens you up more than any other drug' as a reason to disagree with my comments. As an aid to breaking through ego barriers etc. - yes. But I think you'll find other drugs 'open' oneself infinitely better: how many of you lost your virginity while under the influence of alcohol? And how many of you lost it under the influence of MDMA?
I don't want to start an argument over this ... but think for a minute. Dosages for psychiatric patients in MDMA's early days SURELY would not have been at the rate that WE desire. Some REAL pills coming out are very strong when used in a sensory environment like ... duh ... a club. I've had the most fucking amazing time with Ecstasy on dancefloors [insert numerous anecdotes here] but not once have I stopped to have an 'opening up' session with the person dancing next to me.
Look, sorry about the rant but my girlfriend's home from work soon and she's gonna kill me for not coming home last night so you all have to bear my distress!
And I can't believe I used the term 'smacked'. Apologies to all the heroin users out there.
Fuck this is long, sorry

Al, I can't agree more on the speed vrs e point, tho I have yet to try speed intentionally, I've had a few E's that were (and tested with a dance-safe kit) to contain speed (red hearts especailly). These provided some of the best nights I've had.
So yeah, I'd agree that a speed-like substance is a better club/rave drug, slipping some E in there too, for a little more loved up feeling (rather than paranoia) would be more ideal.
There again, if I'm feeling up for it, GHB and Caffine (the bomb - www.weparty.to) makes for a good combination.
b
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Better living thru chemistry.
[This message has been edited by bobsandwitch (edited 30 July 2000).]

I think that pillreports is good because the posters there in general seem to represent a similar mix of people who you might socialise with at a club/party. In my experience, the majority (arguably) of E users actually refer to their pills in these terms. It's not much use talking to someone about seratonin, mdma, EZ test results and accurate pill descriptions if all they have learnt about pills from their associates is "speedy" vs. "smacky" and they test by taste. Yes, I find the use of the term "smacky" distasteful and unrelated to e, but a LOT of people use this term when they are on a good pill, or are having a low-energy night. And, no, not everyone actually cares about what's in their pill, as long as they get messed up/out of it. Pillreports gives you hints as to what's out there, and what the general buzz is about the pills anyway. If you take everything you read there into account, and combine that with personal perceptions and test results, then you should be well equipped with information.
BigTrancer

I have to disagree with the theory about speed being a more sociable drug...
The recent MDMA drought in Perth saw a few events filled with punters on either speed or speed-bomb pills, and the negative change in atmosphere was definitely noticable

Busted again
E-bee, forgive me: my sleepless, pitiless state begets cause for error [and tossy biblical terms].
You, too, are right. A room full of speeders is a tense situation for sure. I'm sure we're all switched on enough to recognise what drugs [if any, Mr Policeman] people are on in a club and, for want of a better example, to steer clear of well built air punchers with [dorky] sneers on their mogs. Day jus no on ma walenth y'no?!
I'm probably being a bit too subjective on the issue of speed use. I don't get edgey, agro blah blah [quality has a lot to do with this but that's another story]. I generally [and this is after quite a few years
of [ab]use] run around making a dick of myself, amusing the masses and disturbing young ladies who've probably got someone better to look at.
Obviously that wasn't the general trend at your recent parties and, on the strength of a recent night out with a wired workmate, I understand where you're coming from.
But I stand by my original point ... MDMA pills based with speed, or speed pills laced with MDXX, are what many people are used to, and what those same people are pining for when they find themselves stuck in a seat for [a blissful] three hours. Remember, you've got to want to dance to dance on MDMA, doncha think?!

I'm not a dancer...neither mdma nor speed can get me onto a dance floor
The only time I've ever danced at a club, I was on that horrible drug alcohol *gasp*
Ingesting a significant quantity of mushies, however, makes it impossible for me not to dance (although I've never had them in a club atmosphere)

AL.well said
and ill have to back up that claim...youve gotta want to dance to dance on mdma. tis so true and nice when you do!
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Also O.T. but hey...
Candyflip: the SP's???
i agree!!

"Remember, you've got to want to dance to dance on MDMA"
AL 1000% agree with ya here, I find that if you dont want to dance you just end up sittin on the ground in a heap, I think its not because its too strong (though there probably are times when its really really strong where you cant dance) but because you dont want to dance.

AL, some of your points are valid some are not, imo. Speed sure is good for some people for many reasons, i disagree that it opens you up more than MDMA. We all know how MDMA works etc. and the empathy you get is unreal, it was used to open people up as you said. Speed was not given to those patients as a treatment was it? If it was they'd up up more paranoid
MDMA is chargy as hell, if u wanna be on the ground cause you sit on your ass thats your choice, imo you can either do that or you can make it chargy as hell, its up to you. Its harder to turn it chargy if your not used to it tho cause it can be overwealming.
etc.

yeah cool
mostly, almost totally, I agree
The one thing I wanna say is that people do have a right to whinge about speed bombs even if they have the lovely (speed) with their pills.
Maybe its just cos I live in speed bomb land
But when I have speed + MDMA its because I appreciate combining the two effects, especially if I do it in the levels of each that are right for me.
Fact is I don't really enjoy MDMA by itself as much as if I turn its pyschoactive direction with meth or speed. And the effects of speed I enjoy heaps more if combined with MD**. Meth is cool with me by it ownsome, but I enjoy mdma heaps more when I got some methamphetamine inside myself.
I'm not saying you're wrong at all. I know people that are better off having a speed pill than a proper one.
I'm just trying to say that I have pills with speed when I want to combine the effects of both, not go speeding.