Yes you can trip on Alcohol...

[bigjackaal96]

I've never understood the logic that Alcohol somehow can't make you trip when It literally a potent GABA-A agonist gimped by the liver. It a GABA deliriant like Z-drugs/Muscimol but somehow It more like a much cleaner Ambien since It hard to tell what you'll feel when Drunk effect wise.

It also very psychedelic to a uncanny level almost all of the euphoria Is this. The Deliriant aspect Is basically more like doing Scoplamine with any ACH side effects. Any Disso effects Is more a artifact effect from GABA-A choking NMDA into behaving as If where blocked.

I still remember vividly when casually drinking 4 pack of beer & Half bottle of vodka. After a few hours I saw a mini park behind our house look sunny with kids playing ball & older men walking dogs in full realism but what gave It away was the full NPC vibe. When I ran downstairs within 15 ~ 25 seconds I saw a dark empty mini park.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I also agree that alcohol can be quite trippy. But IME it requires several days of heavy drinking to reach that state.

And then it's only fleeting...

 

[bigjackaal96]

I also agree that alcohol can be quite trippy. But IME it requires several days of heavy drinking to reach that state.

And then it's only fleeting...

Not in my case I get this from just a 2 ~ 8 hour drink session, feels like Datura & Shrooms at their dysphoric free best. Even alcohol buzz/highs feel trippy to me.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Not in my case I get this from just a 2 ~ 8 hour drink session, feels like Datura & Shrooms at their dysphoric free best.

You lucky bastard

 

[foodcrisis]

when i first started drinking at like 14. my friend's mom used to give us about 4 shots of wild turkey 101 each for the night, maybe a little less. she'd tell us we could only have a certain amount of the bottle. it was enough to get me spinning. we'd drink it with arizona iced tea... we would listen to depressing music and a lot of the time i'd just close my eyes with the spins and i'd see a lot of colors for closed eye visuals that weren't really there when i wasn't drinking.

i've never gotten open eyed visuals from alcohol though... even after getting HPPD from acid which comes out a lot with weed. alcohol doesn't really make me hallucinate.. closed eye visuals as intense as they were when i was younger was lost after some years of drinking too.

 

[foodcrisis]

thinking about this thread, i honestly feels like alcohol dulls my shroom visuals... i don't have that much experience with the two at the same time though. could just be a coincidence. maybe i didn't eat as strong shrooms or something.

 

[bigjackaal96]

when i first started drinking at like 14. my friend's mom used to give us about 4 shots of wild turkey 101 each for the night, maybe a little less. she'd tell us we could only have a certain amount of the bottle. it was enough to get me spinning. we'd drink it with arizona iced tea... we would listen to depressing music and a lot of the time i'd just close my eyes with the spins and i'd see a lot of colors for closed eye visuals that weren't really there when i wasn't drinking.

i've never gotten open eyed visuals from alcohol though... even after getting HPPD from acid which comes out a lot with weed. alcohol doesn't really make me hallucinate.. closed eye visuals as intense as they were when i was younger was lost after some years of drinking too.

GABA-A drugs are weird, Some can trip very easily of them like me. While others only get mild Psych visuals that never get strong or need very high sudden doses(chugging 75% of 70cl Vodka bottle within 5 ~ 12 mins).

 

[foodcrisis]

GABA-A drugs are weird, Some can trip very easily of them like me. While others only get mild Psych visuals that never get strong or need very high sudden doses(chugging 75% of 70cl Vodka bottle within 5 ~ 12 mins).

that's cool... definitely some drugs make people trip out when others normally don't get those affects...

when i was a teenager, we took a lot of caffeine pills and my friend's face had like an electronic looking gorilla mask on him for a second...

 

[Fire&Water]

I just tripped on a firelog

 

[bigjackaal96]

that's cool... definitely some drugs make people trip out when others normally don't get those affects...

when i was a teenager, we took a lot of caffeine pills and my friend's face had like an electronic looking gorilla mask on him for a second...

I've even theorized on Reddit. I could be that psychotic brains & psychotic like(kids/teens/DXM) are just much looser on what fires or anti-fires. NMDA is now Inhibtory with Serotonin & Dopamine acting as central excitation area which means the rest have to rewire to avoid NMDA agonism & use AMPA instead.

Why?, Saw a few on Reddit manage to get drunk while on 350 ~ 600mg DXM. But noticed the effects were like someone with ASD-2 & higher or Schizopherinc having a few strong beers.

 

[aftershocknrock]

I just tripped on a firelog

Ha i tripped onto this

 

[neversickanymore]

How do you all think LSD is able to pretty much almost eliminate the effects of alcohol. Or I guess if you dont think this is true?

 

[daturetard]

I've never understood the logic that Alcohol somehow can't make you trip when It literally a potent GABA-A agonist gimped by the liver. It a GABA deliriant like Z-drugs/Muscimol but somehow It more like a much cleaner Ambien since It hard to tell what you'll feel when Drunk effect wise.

For one thing alcohol is the very polar opposite of 'cleaner' ambien. It's one of the dirtiest drugs out there (for example it damages your body so heavily that in sufficient doses, the euphoria felt is a result of endorphins).

Also, it is not an agonist at gaba. It's a PAM meaning it increases the efficacy of the gaba receptor by holding the calcium channel in the gaba receptor open wider allowing for more influx.

You can most definitely achieve delirium from alcohol, but it is very far from psychedelic. Seeing shit that is completely not there is more characteristic of a delirium than a psychedelic experience anyway. Classical psychedelics (5ht2a partial agonists) hallucinations are a result of that receptors relation to pattern recognition and logical and visual connection, making patterns much easier to conjure, and thoughts more fluid.

The hallucinations you experience are not a result of a psychedelic experience but rather the compounding of lost inhibitions (GABA activity), delirium (aChe antagonism), dissociation (nmda antagonism) and a flood of endorphins. Please cut down on your alcohol intake and try to get some more insightful hallucinogens.

Furthermore in my experience muscimol is not hallucinogenic.

 

[negrogesic]

I have drank large quantities of alcohol and have never experienced anything that I'd describe as psychedelic. Nor particularly dissociative.

My girlfriend however, with enough alcohol, appears to actually go places. At times she'll become disoriented and psychotic. She once started smashing furniture in a hotel room. She then started to run out of the room and into the hallway, naked, at which point i recovered her and dragged her back in (I guess hotel security is used to seeing such things on their security cam footage, but I can imagine that it appeared pretty sketchy). Ultimately I had to tie her up with clothes to stop her rampage. She gets so out of it that I can't communicate with her. Yet she is mobile and on the go.

Another time, at a family gathering dinner, I guess she had too much wine. All of a sudden, at the dinner table, she looks up and starts pointing to some non-existent object on the wall. I was like "ah shit, not again", and I had to escort her to another room where she was batshit crazy for a few hours.

Yet I've experienced nothing of the sort. At massive doses I just get tired and eventually lose consciousness. But at no subanesthetic dose do I experience psychosis or delirium. I've definitely felt trippy shit from z-drugs (far moreso than muscimol).

But I've witnessed my girlfriend tripping balls on alcohol too many times. The first time, I barely knew her. I was at her apartment and she got very drunk, and began banging on the walls and yelling. At first I thought, "shit, I better leave, some neighbor might call the cops and they'll think I'm doing something to her". But then I decided to stay since I was worried that she'd open the door and wander down the street naked and get hit by a car or something. So I stayed and babysat her. But I hardly knew her at the time.

In any event, alcohol clearly produces delirium and frank psychosis in some people. Not sure how 'psychedelic' it gets, but in the case of my girlfriend, she tends to not remember much of the "trip" anyhow. I find typical NMDA-antagonists like DCK or PCP can produce intensely mystical psychedelic experiences, but I don't get any of that from alcohol. I even find atypical NMDA-antagonists like nitrous oxide to be intensely psychedelic with prolonged, repeated administration, but I get zilch from alcohol. Heck even GHB can get bizarre, but that is more of a delirium.

There clearly must some genetic differences that mediate ones susceptibility to alcohol induced delirium and psychosis.

 

[Halif2]

Some people I've known seemed to have an alcohol-psychosis. This was something very different from a person just being extremely drunk. It involved conversing with unseen characters and behaviour similar to what is described in the post above. In one case I was certain that my roommate was having a pretty intense argument downstairs because I could hear his voice and another, quite husky voice, going at it. Turned out just to be him arguing with himself and doing two voices and even 'playing' two full characters. It was actually frightening.

Outside of drinking these people didn't display any signs of psychiatric problems, but when drinking there'd be a trigger point - like a switch got flipped - and they'd behave... strangely. In my experience of folks like these, it generally only happened when drinking fairly heavily, but it was always a bit scary to drink with them because you never knew where the trigger point was.

I'd be wondering if this was going to be a regular, enjoyable evening of drinks with my friend, or the start of a night of absolute chaos where the timer starts counting down until someone called the police.

 

[daturetard]

You're just wrong. Deleriants do not 'behave like psychedelics'. (Visuals≠psychedelia) They are completely different types of drugs that are not psychedelic in the slightest. Ambien is dirty, but most certainly not the 'dirtiest gabaergic'. Also, this 'musical euphoria' you speak of? It's subjective. Deleriants never gave me music enhancement. Calling something that is a deleriant a psychedelic is wrong. You just cannot accept that you're wrong. Also, every drug varies how much reaches the brain unless you IV it LOL. Any drug that is at all metabolized is a 'liver drug', so, no, I didn't 'forget'.