Working out, while nodding out?

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Painkillerkhaos

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If any of you have seen any other post made by me, you'd know I love opiates, and like gabapentin as a replacement. However I did clean up, but I got into a lot of stress, and fell back into my "comfort zone" of taking opiates again. Atleast I'm only dosing about half of what I use to.

Lately I have been very unsatisfied with the way I look. I'm 20 now, and have been the same height (5'9) and within 5lbs of the same weight (128-138lbs) since I was 13. I'm assuming its from the opiate use. I have no defanition to my body either. I have some line in my arms, outlining the muscle, but its faint (and only from lifting boxes at work) and I have faint lines showing a six-pac (in the right lighting you can see faint lines) which is odd cause the only ab "work out" I do is sex.

I recently aquired a new set of workout dvds. They're sort of like "Freeletics". If you are not sure what Freeletics are, they're to put it simple...very though, physically demanding workouts and cardio routines using only your body. No weights, no equipment, no bands, nothing. I had a friend (the who gave me them) who started off just like me, well a little bigger and got massive results after just 5-6 weeks. I'm down, I'm doing it.

My opiate use has come into question though. Now I will NOT workout while nodding, or even for a few hours after taking 1/4 of what it takes me to nod. Regular cardio two hours after taking 30mg of oxy makes me sick to my stomache, imagine what this would do to me.

I'd wait until after my days workout to take my dose. This way I won't get sick, I'm not destroying mu buzz, and I won't be sore afterwards. So here's the million dollar question I'm asking...

If my routines only function is to make me tone (not improve speed, endurance. not to make me stronger. just to make my muscles a little bigger, and to show/stand out) will the opiates cancle that effect out?

I will do the program, and diet as directed. I just want to know if the chemicals in oxy, percs, and vicoden will keep me from tonning up.
 
No, they won't.

I know more people than I can count on pain medication, and who use opioids illicitly and work out simultaneously (not directly under the influence though) to great effect.

Either way I'm moving this to Steroid Discussion, since they're the experts at dealing with drugs and exercise and you'll probably get more experienced answers there.

BDD -> SD
 
Opiates will keep you from building muscle, they will cause you to retain water, they will cause you to store fat, they will cause you to lose pre existing muscle. Everyone has a six pack bro, how pronounced it is is defined by body fat levels. Like I always say though, a skinny guy with abs is like a fat chick with tits.

Bodybuilding and narcotics do not mix.

Now I'm curious.... I was a heroin addict for seven years. I would IV up to 4 grams a day, anything I could afford. I stopped one day because I was tired of it all. I have been sober for 4 years. No heroin or opiates in that time. What caused you to go back? Stress?

Stress is your girlfriend of 3 years leaving you without a word, your grandmother dying before you manage to sober up, walking outside to see your father in his truck with hose from the exhaust going to the window not once but three times and having to remove the hose, your father drinking himself to death, your sister having a silent stroke, your mother slowly dying for hear failure, all your old friends overdosing one by one, waking up every morning to look in mirror at a person who happily sold dope to people who are probably dead or in jail now because you fed their addiction, when a young lady that catches your eyes finds out about your past, and when people inquire to the line of scarred tissue on the crook of your right arm.

So tell me, what fucking "stress" caused you to go back to popping 30mg of Oxycodone?
 
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Opiates and working out makes you higher than you'd expect as working out release a hell of a lot of what is basically "your body's natural opiate/endorphins)

When I've done this I got way more rush than expected, and stopped me from being as energetic and didn't work out as long/hard

Other than that shouldn't have any negative effects
 
RedRum OG said:
Other than that shouldn't have any negative effects
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Wrong. It can cause muscle strains and prevent oxygen from getting to the muscles. It slows down the metabolism limiting levels of thyroid hormones and slowing nutrient absorption.

Narcotics and bodybuilding/lifting weights do not mix. You either choose one or the other.
 
30mg was just an example dude. Try near 100. Maybe my story isn't as in depth as yours but I still have one. My grandmother passed of cancer, 25 hours from her death my dad passes of heart failure. Not to mention a week before that my (who I thought was) soon to be wife packed up and left state with my two year old daughter while I was at work. Now I'm not close with much of my family. Only my dad, grandma, and grandpa. Which two are gone now, and the third hasn't been the same since his wife of 60+ years lost her battle to cancer. That's my stress. I don't have anyone there for mr. I can't vent to anyone. Go to someone to feel better. Other then those who I have lost I have one person I remain close to, and have been my entire life. This guy is paralyzed. he can't speak or walk, or move. Why? My dumbass decided to drive with him as a passanger while dopped up on H. Don't tell me I don't have problems. You don't know anything about me buddy.
 
The other night I took a good long hard look at myself. I made a list of things I need to do to be happy again. Being where I want to be, and looking how I want to look physically from a working out stand point is one of them. I've been back on opiates 3 months now at or near triple digit mgs a day. I'm slowly tappering off. I'm not cold turkey it this time.
 
Lastly. Tollerance is diffent in everyone. 30mg could make me feel the same was 300 makes you feel. It differs by the person. There is no compition, and I'm not trying to compete. But by all means if you're that proud of your opiate use, read my post and compare you usage to mine if it helps you sleep at night. I on the other hand want to be at a lessage dosage and not judge anyone for I am slowly quitting.
 
I am in no way trying to anger, or upset you. I apologize if I did. It just angers me when people claim to know my story, or tell me it can't be that bad. I feel your pain bro and I am sorry for all you have lost and been through. I've been through that same hell. The last thing we need is internet keyboard warriors trying to butt in. There's my story, and why I asked what I asked. Again I'm sorry for rubbing off the wrong way.
 
Sure, it is possible to an extent. I have met some big guys on steroids who used morphine and whatnot "to control pain." But if only works if your lifestyle can sustain access to daily opiates, which 99% of us can't.

Granted, as Guido wrote, it will limit you if you try and go above and beyond. But beginner gains would not be affected that much.Again, assuming everything else is equal.

But can you afford the right supplements on top of your habit?

Will you have the discipline or appetite to keep the diet up?

Your guy is late and the gym closes in two hours. What do you do?

Shit goes wrong and you WD for two days. Good luck getting 500cal total.

And so on. It will catch up. SERIOUS lifting is an anti-depressant, social lubricant and de-stressor all in one. Opiates are a fast road to nowhere
 
-Guido- said:
Opiates will keep you from building muscle, they will cause you to retain water, they will cause you to store fat, they will cause you to lose pre existing muscle. Everyone has a six pack bro, how pronounced it is is defined by body fat levels. Like I always say though, a skinny guy with abs is like a fat chick with tits.

Bodybuilding and narcotics do not mix.

Now I'm curious.... I was a heroin addict for seven years. I would IV up to 4 grams a day, anything I could afford. I stopped one day because I was tired of it all. I have been sober for 4 years. No heroin or opiates in that time. What caused you to go back? Stress?

Stress is your girlfriend of 3 years leaving you without a word, your grandmother dying before you manage to sober up, walking outside to see your father in his truck with hose from the exhaust going to the window not once but three times and having to remove the hose, your father drinking himself to death, your sister having a silent stroke, your mother slowly dying for hear failure, all your old friends overdosing one by one, waking up every morning to look in mirror at a person who happily sold dope to people who are probably dead or in jail now because you fed their addiction, when a young lady that catches your eyes finds out about your past, and when people inquire to the line of scarred tissue on the crook of your right arm.

So tell me, what fucking "stress" caused you to go back to popping 30mg of Oxycodone?
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wow that's messed up <3
 
Painkillerkhaos said:
30mg was just an example dude. Try near 100. Maybe my story isn't as in depth as yours but I still have one. My grandmother passed of cancer, 25 hours from her death my dad passes of heart failure. Not to mention a week before that my (who I thought was) soon to be wife packed up and left state with my two year old daughter while I was at work. Now I'm not close with much of my family. Only my dad, grandma, and grandpa. Which two are gone now, and the third hasn't been the same since his wife of 60+ years lost her battle to cancer. That's my stress. I don't have anyone there for mr. I can't vent to anyone. Go to someone to feel better. Other then those who I have lost I have one person I remain close to, and have been my entire life. This guy is paralyzed. he can't speak or walk, or move. Why? My dumbass decided to drive with him as a passanger while dopped up on H. Don't tell me I don't have problems. You don't know anything about me buddy.
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It's no fucking excuse to get high. We get high because we want to and enjoy the feeling. Don't use family members that have passed away or whatever the fuck else as a reason to get high because that's selfish. People get high because it feels good and we keep using because it feels good. I never used any of the bullshit that occurred in my life as a reason to stick a needle in my arm, my reason for doing so was because I loved the feeling.

The sooner you can admit that the sooner you can shake your addiction. I been sober 4 years now and shit, I think about going out to cop a brick of dope and locking myself in my room for a good week. But I can't because the lifestyle is poison and that good feeling becomes the only thing you concern yourself with and everything in life just passes you by. You become blinded when that veil of morphine is over your head.

Once your sober long enough, working out, holding hands with a young lady you like, sitting down to a meal you cooked, having a laugh with a few friends, even just posting here becomes just as good if not better than a shot of dope or a couple oxys. Trust me on that.

If you are worried about your physique, that's a good thing, that means the opiates don't have as big of a hold on you as you may think. You should focus your energy on sobering up. Taper down. Or better yet look into suboxone or even Methadone, you got enough of a habit to qualify for Methadone. Do some serious thinking. You are still young, and you got plenty of years left to make up for past mistakes.
 
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Suboxone + working out is a great plan. Much easier to live a structured lifestyle and once you get seriously into the physical activity you can always start a taper. Also try going for a swim very weird feeling at first but just gets better and better I can't indulge into it too much because I I don't want to go back to skinny though.
 
BingeBoy said:
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Suboxone + working out is a great plan. Much easier to live a structured lifestyle and once you get seriously into the physical activity you can always start a taper. Also try going for a swim very weird feeling at first but just gets better and better I can't indulge into it too much because I I don't want to go back to skinny though.
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Yup. Suboxone or methadone at the prescribed dose is fine to use when bodybuilding. Hell, even opiates and benzos are IF YOU NEED THEM AND ARE PRESCRIBED THEM BY A DOCTOR. Recreational doses and abuse doesn't fly.
 
^You're "that guy" at the NA meeting with the white T, the track pants, the gold chain, the tan and the muscles aren't you? ;)
 
-Guido- said:
Yup. Suboxone or methadone at the prescribed dose is fine to use when bodybuilding. Hell, even opiates and benzos are IF YOU NEED THEM AND ARE PRESCRIBED THEM BY A DOCTOR. Recreational doses and abuse doesn't fly.
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i duno, but methadone at prescribed doses or not will absolutely kill gains and make it almost impossible to maintain muscle if you have somewhat of a foundation. i know guys that were totally destroyed by it and i know one person that runs test @ 500mg/week all year around just because he's on methadone..... suboxone is fine. tramadol won't really interfere with muscle gain either from my experience, i actually get a very dried out look from em.

it's gonna be very tough putting some size on while on a 100mg per dose oxycodone habit. oxys don't interfere with muscle gain as much as other opiates such as morphine or methadone but at high doses they kinda do. i got a bit of experience with opiates in combination with workout because i was injured pretty badly 2 years ago and have been experimenting with different painkillers and doses. i was able to continously gain on oxycodone but i did not exceed 20 - 25 mg per dose 4 - 5 times a day. my day would look something like this.... id get up and take and eat a 20 mg oxycodone instant release of course. about 3 hours later i'd consume a huge breakfast with sometimes close to 50% of my total daily carb requirement. 1 - 2 hours after that i would be training. sometimes i drank a lil post workout shake but hardly.. i'd take my next oxy serving (25 mg) after training and continously every 3 - 4 hours after. i'd fast most of the day and eat the 2nd half of my total calories at night before i went to sleep. i did this very structured and every gram of carb/fat/protein was accounted for. i always switch to tramadol every few weeks and do something similar. when i'm on tramadol i notice way better gains... i do this because i wanna put on size and it's important to me and as a way to keep my tolerance down. so i end up doing something like oxy 2 weeks then tramadol for 2 weeks... sometimes i use tapentadol instead of oxy, tapentadol is a bit better for gaining muscle, similar to tramadol, probably because they don't affect testosterone levels like most traditional opiates do. it's a bit weaker to some but to me it feels VERY similar to oxycodone.

i've tried higher doses of oxy and it totally fucked up my workouts and progress that's why i do it like this.

codeine and morphine totally wore my body down as well and made it impossible to get a decent work out in. plus you get very bloated and constipated with those.
 
-Guido- said:
Wrong. It can cause muscle strains and prevent oxygen from getting to the muscles. It slows down the metabolism limiting levels of thyroid hormones and slowing nutrient absorption.

Narcotics and bodybuilding/lifting weights do not mix. You either choose one or the other.
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Sorry mate but I disagree with you there, I have been a boxer and bodybuilder/powerlifter for years, I have a fucked back and therefore I am prescribed Tramadol, Diclofenic and also on Diazepam, you think I'm gona lie down to my injury? no chance ! mask the pain, get some test and deca in you and get on with it and biuld the muscles up again very lightly, going off subject there, point being, you CAN take meds and train but if only if you are taking them for real pain and not to get high.
 
benzoman12345 said:
Sorry mate but I disagree with you there, I have been a boxer and bodybuilder/powerlifter for years, I have a fucked back and therefore I am prescribed Tramadol, Diclofenic and also on Diazepam, you think I'm gona lie down to my injury? no chance ! mask the pain, get some test and deca in you and get on with it and biuld the muscles up again very lightly, going off subject there, point being, you CAN take meds and train but if only if you are taking them for real pain and not to get high.
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I thought I had explained myself further in another post if I recall but maybe I didn't-

Your back is fucked and you have legitimate medical issues. As such, you take your medication as prescribed. Anyone that takes their medication as prescribed can bodybuild fine. However, if you are taking drugs to get high and abusing prescriptions, well, that just doesn't fly with bodybuilding. Recreational drug use and bodybuilding/powerlifting doesn't mix. You will either end up hurting yourself, hindering progress, or causing health complications.
 
So I gotta quick question. I got clean an been on suboxone for a lil less than 3 weeks now. Takin anywhere from 1 to 8 mg a day. Does subs supress test production as much as other opiates like oxy or dope.

Also I can see how the dope was keepin testosterone down but sence I switched to subs will test levels rise or do I have to completely be off everythin.

I started this week with takin the animal stak. Its an otc trainin supp to help boost test an help block estrogen. Also been takin the pak + diet is gettin a lot better.
 
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