With regards to Phenibut FAA (Free Amino Acid)

[inthenameofscience]

Well, due to the apparent lack of info, both credible and anecdotal...I'm curious about this stuff. Perhaps a bit too curious as I actually currently find myself sitting in front of a now just-under-100g container of the stuff!

I suppose my only real 'question' here is...is this stuff safe for insufflation? I mean, a whiff off the back of a knuckle and the lack of sinus-corroding burn is definitely promising, no? I just want some second opinion/any experience if possible. I have heard the free amino to be highly astringent, but I figured that should burn just as well...

Also, if one could clarify the exact difference between Phenibut HCl and Phenibut FAA...that'd be great. It seems easy enough to understand, but, apparently not. Anyhwho, thanks in advance! :D -ITNOS

 

[inthenameofscience]

Still nothing? Perhaps this may be the wrong sub-forum...perhaps I thought phenibut to be a bit more popular than it truly is.

Meh, a simpler question might be where (if any) 'local' sources could one purchase a pH tester? Also, which type of device would be most accurate for the lowest cost..

I'm quite curious about the pH of this 'free amino acid,' obviously insufflating a caustic chemical is a bad thing!

Any insight will be seriously appreciated!

 

[sekio]

don't bump your posts.

sodium salt of phenibut will be alkaline, phenibut free amino acid is neutral-ish, phenibut hcl is acidic.

i think the doses needed for phenibut preclude insufflation as a roa.

Meh, a simpler question might be where (if any) 'local' sources could one purchase a pH tester?

spend 20 dollars and buy some ph paper or universal indicator solution or even a red cabbage

 

[electrodevo]

Meh, a simpler question might be where (if any) 'local' sources could one purchase a pH tester? Also, which type of device would be most accurate for the lowest cost..

Aquarium stores, pool stores, homebrewing stores, science supplies, industrial supplies, some medical / drug stores (urine tests)... all may have pH strips.

I imagine the cheap little litmus pH strips should be enough, you don't need a meter.

 

[dingophone]

Important note; Generally speaking, the free acid/base is usually somewhat stronger than the salts (see 4-aco-dmt), but this is not always the case (100ug etorphine hcl = 98ug etorphine freebase). START LOW AND TAPER UP!

 

[inthenameofscience]

My apologies about the bump, sekio; I was actually wondering the policy on that..meh, well now I know!

Thanks to electro and sek also for the pH info. Still haven't gotten around to any sort of pH testing - know I should - but I'm not all too concerned...the free amino does certainly seem to be quite 'neutral-ish.' I say this as a guinea pig, speaking purely subjectively, that occasional days with ~a dozen or so small bumps spread throughout the day to leave abosolutely no burn, no drip, and no nasty, plastic-y, pharmaceutical dyed film of insolubles lining your nostrils that I'm sure any fellow pill sniffers are all too familiar with...not that I myself actually care too much for railing crushed tablets of any kind...

AT ANY RATE, the dosing doesn't seem to be an issue at all. The alledged 250mg scoop enclosed with the Phenibut I received seems (in my own personal experience) to be a near perfect dose when divided over the course of an hour or so; this seems like a perfectly acceptable amount of general 'stuff' to put up ones nose. No clogs, nothing but effects.

I don't know...it seems just a smidge too good to be true. Not safety wise, or anything, or even that this is that great of a chemical effects wise but mainly from the cost/dose perspective...hm, wonder if anything else will come of this thread, as I obviously would like to avoid repeated nasal damage. Perhaps I'll abstain for a good while until some information stumbles along..

 

[MyExcuse]

I've been using Phenibut for the past 3 years and it's the only thing that's really helped me out. I used the HCl for a few years but it always gave me some terrible side effects such as bloating and pain in my joints. The FAA has really been neutral besides the desired effects. I feel the HCl went into solution easier but had a much worse flavor. The FAA is slightly bitter but devoid of the foul flavor of the HCl. As far as effects, I find the FAA to be more subtle. The HCl felt like it hit quicker but that could have been due to a variety of factors.

I take 2g daily with no real need or desire to increase dosage, I find this is the perfect dose for me.

On the topic of alternative ROA, I've used phenibut and GHB by a number of routes (including I.V. for GHB which was foolish) and see no real need to take them other than orally. I think the only difference is onset time and to me that isn't necessary.

If you're using this stuff as a medicine, taking it the same way, at the same time daily is the best method. Once you find the right dose, you should get consistent effects daily without a need to keep increasing - at least in my experience.

 

[Flynnal]

If you're using this stuff as a medicine, taking it the same way, at the same time daily is the best method. Once you find the right dose, you should get consistent effects daily without a need to keep increasing - at least in my experience.

Taking the same dose, every day, wouldn't that cause tolerance? And then require one to increase the dose and continue with a dose escalation?

This happens with every GABAergic drug in existence. Why would Phenibut be any different?

 

[inthenameofscience]

For me, it does tend to lead to increased tolerance..that said, I already have a bit of a xanax tolerance and find (to my surprise) no noticeable 'cross-tolerance' issues.

I also agree that FAA falls behind HCl with falling into solution, and that it may be a tad more subtle, but the lack of corrosive taste and GI issues is well worth the extra $. I've also found insufflation to be a bit inefficient in my few trials, though remarkably effective in relieving sudden bouts of anxiety in a short amount of time w/o delving into the ol' alprazolam bottle..