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Wired's Apocalypse Not: Here's Why You Shouldn't Worry About the End Times

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I thought this would be a good article to have posted in this forum (if not now, then in a few months) as we prepare for the attack of the nutters. It's a good summary of all the reasons why we're going to be perfectly OK. It makes it all the more silly that the 2012 apocalypse comes at a time when, well, everything is pretty near as good as it's ever been for humanity (yeah the economy is shit, but poor people in 1st world countries still have color TVs and microwaves).
 
Good god.. I ain't going to read through half a book to get to the point! Skimmed through it and some of the comments.. two points; economy and environment. Doesn't matter how professional and how much of a literary word-smith you are, you can't escape the fact that unless we change course in regards to how we operate in the economy or environmentally.. we ARE fucked. Denying it doesn't make it go away. Taking the piss out of raving people who talk about it doesn't make it go away.

Forget 2012 and other theories. Unless we implement some kind of direction change we ARE fucked.
 
^So you wouldn't read half of any book to get to a point then? Yet you give a condescending opinion on the internet after a typical google generation skim instantly? You've comprehended something!
 
psood0nym, if we read everything that anyone ever suggested to us to read we'd be drowning in text and not able to read the things we'd like too.
 
^So you wouldn't read half of any book to get to a point then? Yet you give a condescending opinion on the internet after a typical google generation skim instantly? You've comprehended something!

I'm not interested in reading a block of text that just looks like someones own opinion unless they provide a decents summary of points. People who write too much often do so because if they just got to the point no one would bother with their perspective.. they hide their pointless ramble behind a wall of words.
 
you give a condescending opinion on the internet after a typical google generation skim instantly?

Though I do (to some extent) agree with your sentiments here, have you considered the possibility that most people in the world are so utterly indifferent toward and/or amused by this so-called '2012 phenomenon' that bothering to ingest an article of this scope about said topic, which article could, depending upon one's average reading speed, take upwards of fifteen minutes to complete, would be an incomparably pointless and silly waste of their time?
 
^ that's what I was thinking. Perhaps this article is meant to comfort people who are actually worried about the over-publicized end of the world.
 
psood0nym, I believe every one here in P&S would like you to apologize for yourself, and I think you should leave.

Mmmmmmm...naw, I wouldn't say that. His intended purpose was admirable. We will, unfortunately, likely be receiving an exponential rise in traffic and post volume around the (purportedly) ill-fated date. This thread provides yet another handy location to redirect the various nutjobs, cranks, and Concerned Citizens.
 
I've read a number of past posts from people in this thread and I know from experience that many of you are perfectly intelligent people whose viewpoints I respect, so please don't think I'm calling you stupid here. The fact is I'm frustrated by the dismissively destructive skim reading attitude, and that's what's going to come through below.
psood0nym, if we read everything that anyone ever suggested to us to read we'd be drowning in text and not able to read the things we'd like too.
Ok. Then don't try to discuss them. What would be the point of that? How is that engaging with a topic? That's going to book club for a Moby Dick discussion and opening with "Who does this arrogant jerk think he is telling me to call him Ishmael."
I'm not interested in reading a block of text that just looks like someones own opinion unless they provide a decents summary of points. People who write too much often do so because if they just got to the point no one would bother with their perspective.. they hide their pointless ramble behind a wall of words.
It's Matthew White writing the cover story of Wired. It's a feature length long form journalism piece by an author who is sought after and paid a lot for his journalistic research, not some half baked logorrhea on the internet. That's your cue to make up your mind whether you're going in for the long haul.

A summary of points is exactly what allows people to think they know what something is about without learning anything and simply imagining something reinforces what they already think. You have to put it the effort to learn from worthwhile writing (don't stop reading here and comment, read on, I'm not done with my point yet).
Though I do (to some extent) agree with your sentiments here, have you considered the possibility that most people in the world are so utterly indifferent toward and/or amused by this so-called '2012 phenomenon' that bothering to ingest an article of this scope about said topic, which article could, depending upon one's average reading speed, take upwards of fifteen minutes to complete, would be an incomparably pointless and silly waste of their time?
Despite the fact that I posted the article in here under its own title, the actual substance of the article has nothing to do with 2012 apocalyptic predictions, something that should be obvious from the fact that it's a feature length piece in Wired, and would be obvious if one thoroughly read even the first few paragraphs or even actually skimmed it as -=SS=- claims. That's the point (one of them at least). Every one who's made comments about comments here would know that if they had done either before delighting in criticism. You need to use cues not in the text to tell you whether it's going to be worth your time or not, or make a leap of faith. That's what being literate is about. Sorry, I know how condescending this sounds, but seriously, this is the truth of it

I mean, look at the first sentence of the second paragraph, it foreshadows what it's really about: "Religious zealots hardly have a monopoly on apocalyptic thinking." <--- This is why skimming doesn't tell you anything. Because you've done that and concluded the writing is about something it's obviously not! This is what I'm saying. It's a simple fact of how deriving knowledge from all forms of long form literature operates, sorry. You read the first four or five graphs of an article or the first 30 pages of a book!

The title is to attract attention, like near every book or article title in existence these days, and is used as a thematic framing device (this is how books and long form articles work to gain and maintain readers). What the article is, is, as stated, "a good summary of all the reasons why we're going to be perfectly OK." It's something to reference when there's any alarmist talk involving mass catastrophe whatsoever, with the 2012 apocalyptic doomsayers simply being the most glaringly obvious examples (doomsayers who frequent this forum, thus the article being a handy source for helping them learn counter perspectives without us having to try very hard because here's a summary in one place [my stated reason for posting this in post #1]).

What the article does is go through the last 50 years of alarmist predictions that have not remotely come to pass made, not by random nutters making claims that would be "a silly waste of time," but by the likes of Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, The World Health Organization, Scientific American, The International Energy Agency, US presidents, and others whose authority we need to rely on because we absolutely cannot independently research all risks that surround us (This isn't interesting? Then I guess I wasted your time. But I'd be very interested in knowing what is interesting). It goes through alarmists beliefs held by highly intelligent and informed people in positions of power to make its points. And so, if these sorts of people believed such things, that's what makes these examples practical references for discussing the entire spectrum and history of alarmist claims, including the nuttier end of it. Even if you've read about some of these before, here's a bunch of them all in one place, historically organized. That still makes it worthwhile. Go ahead and link to a series of bullet points on the internet that does the same if you disagree.
 
This is why skimming doesn't tell you anything. Because you've done that and concluded the writing is about something it's obviously not!

Woah, tuck your dick for a second! Let's be clear about something here: The title of your original post, the name of the article/issue itself (some of which, by the way, I've actually read in physical form elsewhere), and the explicitly-stated context of your post (and, incidentally, the article to which links) all make either direct reference to or heavily allude by indirect invocation of the recent 2012 hysteria. This fact could easily lead one to (reasonably) conclude that the reason for the article's existence and the bulk of its actual readership and content will revolve in large part around various apocalyptic prognostications, many of which, I argued, are simply not intrinsically interesting enough to many people that it should induce them to so much as glance at the material. I wasn't denigrating you or the article. I was only reminding you that some people on these boards simply aren't as interested in the subject as you are, even in passing.
 
Let's be clear about something here: The title of your original post, the name of the article/issue itself (some of which, by the way, I've actually read in physical form elsewhere), and the explicitly-stated context of your post (and, incidentally, the article to which links) all make either direct reference to or heavily allude by indirect invocation of the recent 2012 hysteria.
Right, which is why I said:
that's what makes these examples practical references for discussing the entire spectrum and history of alarmist claims, including the nuttier end of it. Even if you've read about some of these before, here's a bunch of them all in one place, historically organized. That still makes it worthwhile. Go ahead and link to a series of bullet points on the internet that does the same if you disagree.
... above in anticipation of exactly your "by the way" parenthetical so you wouldn't have to explain yourself. I've already understood that ahead of time.

This fact could easily lead one to (reasonably) conclude that the reason for the article's existence and the bulk of its actual readership and content will revolve in large part around various apocalyptic prognostications, many of which, I argued, are simply not intrinsically interesting enough to many people that it should induce them to so much as glance at the material. I wasn't denigrating you or the article. I was only reminding you that some people on these boards simply aren't as interested in the subject as you are, even in passing.
Right. Which is why I said:
Ok. Then don't try to discuss them. What would be the point of that? How is that engaging with a topic? That's going to book club for a Moby Dick discussion and opening with "Who does this arrogant jerk think he is telling me to call him Ishmael."
Recall that this quote here above is in response to -=SS=- who posted that he refused to read the article, and went on to misinterpret what it was about, and that, as stated, the purpose of the article is alluded to in the first line of the second paragraph, meaning it would take all of 10 seconds to realize what the article was about not taking a skimming approach. Also recall (Edvard) the disclaimer I put in red lettering at the top of my last post which explicitly states I'm frustrated with the skimming approach to reading and that that is what is responsible for the tone of the post. Again, the tone before is because of my frustrations with the skim approach to reading and how difficult it makes having any discussion online where everybody isn't talking past each other in their own bubble. The condescending tone now is because I shouldn't have to say any of this because my expectations of Bluelighters are popular widely understood expectations.

Go ahead and look at the cover of friggin Wired:

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So Wired publishes a magazine with an atomic bomb illustration on the cover and talks about 2012 yet expects their popular audience to be able to read a few paragraphs to see what they mean and I'm out of line and asked to leave by Edvard for expecting the same thing from Bluelighters and expressing it? Nobody really thinks Wired is taking the apocalypse preachers seriously. And because I have "Wired" right in the title of this thread Bluelighters shouldn't either (and if they don't see the obvious expect me to have some fun at their expense like anybody would do). It's that simple. This is all so silly. My intent, is to do just as I've stated and as PA realizes when he posts:
This thread provides yet another handy location to redirect the various nutjobs, cranks, and Concerned Citizens.
That's the partial intent of the Wired article, which I share, and they also have entirely reasonable expectations of their readers, which I share. Their other, more serious, intent is to make a more serious statement about the history of informed alarmism by highly intelligent people in power. That is also my intent. So I don't just mean this as only another throw away reference to direct the nutters at. It's more than that, which is why Wired paid somebody and risked publishing it as a cover story.

What's not liked is that this is all so obvious and has been from the start and I'm making it obviously so. Sorry. Don't skim, insist you should be able to without reading first and comment (the reason why has already been covered), then make dismissive comments about my good intentions, and I won't be motivated to point out all the ironic consequences of doing so.
 
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Again, the tone before is because of my frustrations with the skim approach to reading and how difficult it makes having any discussion online where everybody isn't talking past each other in their own bubble.

...with which sentiments I expressed my tentative agreement above. Speaking generally, I think that there is something to be said in favor of demonizing the lamentable practice of skimming (which is, sorry to say, not a new phenomenon by any stretch). Whether everyone in this thread has been, as you claim, merely skimming as opposed to reading small quantities of text with comprehension is beside the point. Conversely, the bulk of your rant failed to effectively anticipate any of what I said upthread, necessitating that I say it in the first place. You still have yet to consider, it seems, that P&S in particular and Bluelight writ large are not populated by people with enough free time and intrinsic interest to read about the key topic (histrionic doomsday prophecies) ostensibly referenced by your posts and the linked article (the subtitle of which reads "Who or What will Cause the 2012 Apocalypse?"), nor, obviously, the systematic debunking thereof. I've lauded your OP, both for its content and explicit intent. What more can I say?

Oh, and also, after rereading the actual content of every poster in the thread thus far, I've obtained, as your purported naysayers:

^ that's what I was thinking. Perhaps this article is meant to comfort people who are actually worried about the over-publicized end of the world.

Who needs an article to debunk this nonsense tho? The proposed doomsday scenarios are lulzy in terms of how ridiculous they are.

Good god.. I ain't going to read through half a book to get to the point! Skimmed through it and some of the comments.. two points; economy and environment. Doesn't matter how professional and how much of a literary word-smith you are, you can't escape the fact that unless we change course in regards to how we operate in the economy or environmentally.. we ARE fucked. Denying it doesn't make it go away. Taking the piss out of raving people who talk about it doesn't make it go away.

The first two are hardly as contextually challenged as you suggest. The article, the issue, and your post each make explicit and implicit reference to the 2012 hysteria, which was presumably the primary impetus for Wired commissioning Ridley to write the article in the first place - and to slyly suggest otherwise amidst irate walls of text is disingenuous. The third pertains predominately to length and actual content. I've already addressed the issue of intrinsic enjoyment vis a vis length. For someone who isn't intellectually intrigued by nor gives two pragmatic shits about the impending destruction of everything we know and love, the article is needlessly long and, for lack of a better word, banal. One doesn't need to go over the article with a fine-toothed comb to recognize its insufferable length and practical irrelevance to someone who isn't even interested in the first place. Despite your passionately argued opinions to the contrary, bullet points and summaries are not mind-numbing instruments of intellectual degradation. They are helpful condensations of large swaths of information, the details of which many people simply cannot be troubled to read. No matter how much this may irk you, SS's out-of-hand dismissal of the article simply wasn't as crass nor as baseless as you suggest.
 
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^

To add, I did not skim that article. I read the entire thing, in detail. I stand by my original post, that I'd expect most people who are in a position to even discuss the doomsday scenarios likely do not need them debunked, and that those people who do need them debunked, likely won't be convinced by a rational, scientific based argument that debunks them.
 
...with which sentiments I expressed my tentative agreement above. Speaking generally, I think that there is something to be said in favor of demonizing the lamentable practice of skimming (which is, sorry to say, not a new phenomenon by any stretch). Whether everyone in this thread has been, as you claim, merely skimming as opposed to reading small quantities of text with comprehension is beside the point. Conversely, the bulk of your rant failed to effectively anticipate any of what I said upthread, necessitating that I say it in the first place. You still have yet to consider, it seems, that P&S in particular and Bluelight writ large are not populated by people with enough free time and intrinsic interest to read about the key topic (histrionic doomsday prophecies) ostensibly referenced by your posts and the linked article (the subtitle of which reads "Who or What will Cause the 2012 Apocalypse?"), nor, obviously, the systematic debunking thereof. I've lauded your OP, both for its content and explicit intent. What more can I say?
My "rant" is merely what it takes to explain my complicated increasingly self-referential position here. It's complicated, so it takes awhile. I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say I failed to anticipate something you said. You underlined that you had read about a lot of what the article covered, and before that I had said that another reason I was posting the article was to put all the information in one place. Putting it all in one place is the reason it’s worthwhile to post, and so in that respect I anticipated what you underlined by giving you a reason to consider it worthwhile to read despite having read of other parts it deals with before. I asked you to link me to another article that did the same before as well (because if there is one, my posting this would indeed be less worthwhile and I’d see what your saying).

I'm a drug user who has come to the world's largest drug discussion forum's Philosophy and Spirituality thread to have a discussion with my peers. If I can't find other drug users with enough intrinsic interest to read about and discuss this topic here then presumably there is no place for this discussion with these sorts of people anywhere. I had considered that was a possibility, but we're talking about the forum for this discussion on the largest site of its kind in the world so, yeah, I thought it might be worth trying to have the discussion here if anywhere.

Thank you for lauding my OP and intent.


Oh, and also, after rereading the actual content of every poster in the thread thus far, I've obtained, as your purported naysayers:
The first two are hardly as contextually challenged as you suggest.
What about those two posts makes it clear they have read the full article and where do I suggest they were contextually challenged?
I'm referring to these 2:
Quote Originally Posted by thujone
^ that's what I was thinking. Perhaps this article is meant to comfort people who are actually worried about the over-publicized end of the world.
Quote Originally Posted by rangrz
Who needs an article to debunk this nonsense tho? The proposed doomsday scenarios are lulzy in terms of how ridiculous they are.
What I mean is I don't understand why the article's doomsday scenarios are thought of as a not needing anybody to debunk them. As stated previously, the article talks about scenarios put forward by scientific organizations, respected authors, and political organizations (not rogue preachers, etc.). Many many people have believed in these scenarios, including recently. What's lulzy and so obviously silly about scientists and international organizations believing in them? That's what's interesting. That's why the article is a cover story of a national magazine and that’s why I thought Bluelight might find it interesting.

The article, the issue, and your post each make explicit and implicit reference to the 2012 hysteria, which was presumably the primary impetus for Wired commissioning Ridley to write the article in the first place - and to slyly suggest otherwise amidst irate walls of text is disingenuous. The third pertains predominately to length and actual content. I've already addressed the issue of intrinsic enjoyment vis a vis length. For someone who isn't intellectually intrigued by nor gives two pragmatic shits about the impending destruction of everything we know and love, the article is needlessly long and, for lack of a better word, banal. One doesn't need to go over the article with a fine-toothed comb to recognize its insufferable length and practical irrelevance to someone who isn't even interested in the first place. Despite your passionately argued opinions to the contrary, bullet points and summaries are not mind-numbing instruments of intellectual degradation. They are helpful condensations of large swaths of information, the details of which many people simply cannot be troubled to read. No matter how much this may irk you, SS's out-of-hand dismissal of the article simply wasn't as crass nor as baseless as you suggest.
At this point I'm very confused. I'm not irate, just disbelieving regarding these responses. I posted this article for general readers. If you find it banal and needlessly long, well, OK. I guess the editors at Wired -- who have been shortening their articles like every other publication because google generation readers won't bother with the long form text that has historically underpinned literary culture anymore because most are simply too busy with superfluous multi-tasking to read in depth -- thought different. So did I. So might other people who come to this website, or so I thought (wrongly apparently).
 
What about those two posts makes it clear they have read the full article

One of the points I've been consistently making for >3 posts now is that, by any reasonable criterion, they needn't have read the article in its entirety to form the aesthetic judgments that they did.

I posted this article for general readers. If you find it banal and needlessly long, well, OK.

Oh, please. At this point, you're committing the same errors of which you accuse others. You have either deliberately misconstrued my intent, taken a clause wayyy out of context by skimming in lieu of reading, or are simply being obtuse for reasons unknown. The full sentence, in context, is reproduced below, word for word, with your out-of-context selections in bold:

For someone who isn't intellectually intrigued by nor gives two pragmatic shits about the impending destruction of everything we know and love, the article is needlessly long and, for lack of a better word, banal.

Try again.

What's lulzy and so obviously silly about scientists and international organizations believing in them? That's what's interesting.

Because, as the very author (!) of the goddamned article in question takes considerable pains to repeatedly mention, these sorts of gloomy prognostications have been propounded more than once in the past. Excuse rangrz and I, as well as Ridley, the author of the article, if we adopt a rather insouciant attitude re. doomsday predictions. Are the details of these predictions, as well as the organizations and primary research that underpin them, serious and passingly credible? Yes, of course! But, as Ridley himself notes, how is this scenario distinguishable from those of the 60's, 70's, 80's, and so on? Your reaction is analogous to someone who suggests a documentary debunking the latest conspiracy theory who gets churlish the minute he/she is casually rebuffed by those who don't generally indulge in that sort of nonsense in the first place...and who, after pointing out that the documentary in question was sponsored by the BBC and that the conspiracy theory was suggested by some prominent think tank, is still positively floored by the suggestion that some people are still uninterested. I mean, Jesus Harold Christ, three or so people said that they weren't interested enough to read a full-length article debunking a tired media trope (yes, backed by 'science,' just like it has been every fucking time), and you get all sensitive about it and blame this microsocial non-event on some non-existent generational lapse in reading comprehension. From what I actually read of it, the article was okay. Some people don't think so, or just don't care. It's a forum with many thousands of members. I suggest that you get used to people openly expressing their disagreement as well as their indifference, be it informed or otherwise.

Thank you for lauding my OP and intent.

You know what? Fuck it. I'm finished.
 
EDIT: Read post 20 before this one

Wow. That was one elaborate analogy about something very simple. I couldn't see the points where it adhered if they were there. Well, alright, thread over then. The generational lapse in reading comprehension has been documented extensively. Yep, it exists, and it's symptomatic here (I'm only 31 BTW and I see it everywhere). I didn't mean any offense and I don't feel very sensitive about anything. It's just as I said. I was looking for something that isn't here. I'm not sure what's to be so worked up about.
 
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I think all this confusion has to do with who the perceived audience is. Wired bothered with the article because they know their audience and thought it would sell. I posted the article and have been talking about it the way I have because I made the same assumption about the general Bluelighter audience. I do not think those who posted in reaction in this thread are representative of the audience ... see how that could throw a wrench in this and in our idea of who we think we're referring to? I didn't put the article up because I was interested in what it had to say on a personal level (though I'm very interested on a more sociological level), I put it up because I thought Bluelighter's might be.

So ... apologies all around to you people. We're dealing with temporal lag text only communications here. I don't think my intent in posting this is the same as, for example, PA's intent in posting his typical threads, and my first response post was sort of a joke last night but the rest was more straight forward, and it all went self-referential hypertext spaghetti from there.
 
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