Ok so long story short I have been taking Heroin for the past 6 months or so, and recently got off using suboxone. I am all out of suboxone and starting to withdrawl again. I no I am at the end of this thing, but would i be safe to get some oxycodone to get me through the night so im not sick? Someone told me since its a diffrent opiate I shouldnt get sick, is this true? Or will I get sick all over again and get re addicted?
Opioids Will Oxycodone make me heroin sick again?
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Not if you want to have to go back on suboxone again and/or risk relapse. I would ride it out. If you take a very very low dose of oxycodone just to partially resolve symptoms then it may help in the short run, however, you risk a total relapse and will experience bad withdrawal, more so than if you hadn't had a dependence before. We're here to support you in kicking your habit.
Please clarify, where you tapering off of buprenorphine and ran out? Or did you complete a bupe taper but are still having WD symptoms?
If the former is the case, yes you can take oxycodone to help with WD symptoms till you get bupe again. Take just enough to remove discomfort, no more.
The only thing that can take you back to "day one" is returning to the level of use you were at before. Taking one pill will not due that. But if you take more than needed you could potentially suffer more WD symptoms I guess... though bupe is stronger than people give it credit, the oxy may not do much.
If the former is the case, yes you can take oxycodone to help with WD symptoms till you get bupe again. Take just enough to remove discomfort, no more.
The only thing that can take you back to "day one" is returning to the level of use you were at before. Taking one pill will not due that. But if you take more than needed you could potentially suffer more WD symptoms I guess... though bupe is stronger than people give it credit, the oxy may not do much.
Probably not to "day one", but it will probably send you back. And yes, more information would be useful
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
Yes it's like going back to dope. Psychical dependencies are not to one particular drug. Like, someone isn't addicted to just heroin.. they are psychically dependent on an opiate, which the brain all sees as the same as far as what's filling the receptors. That is why taking something like methadone or bupe will take away the withdrawal symptoms of a heroin addict. They are psychically dependent on opiates, not just heroin itself.
So you taking oxy right now, to your brain and body, would be the same as if you went out and did dope.
When you finish a taper or something, you don't just instantly feel 100%. No matter what you detox with, how effectively you do it, etc, you are going to have to feel like crap a little bit (just depends how much based on your detox) no matter what.
i'm sorry that's really unfortunate.... when i detoxed last year off of oxys i hadn't done any in a couple weeks. I was still feeling some of the sluggish WD symptoms and wasn't sleeping well. the harsher ones had passed, but i was probably only feeling 60 or 70 percent. i used one night, just one 30 mg perc and the next morning I was okay for a bit, but damn.... was thrown back to day one. and this time is actually felt worse. was puking my brains out and had to start all over again. I just kept reminding myself of how bad that was, and it scared the shit out of me and made me realize that I either have to A) use and keep using cuz sickness sucks or B) not even use the littlest bit! Stick it out bud, stick it out...
Toz
Bluelighter
Yes, taking oxy will send you straight back to day one. Withdrawal won't be as bad as it was but you'll still have to go through all the crap again. Don't do it.
If you take it but don't take enough to make you well, you will make everything even worse than it was when you first tried to quit. It feels almost as bad as getting injected with naloxone in my oppinion...
If you take it but don't take enough to make you well, you will make everything even worse than it was when you first tried to quit. It feels almost as bad as getting injected with naloxone in my oppinion...
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Janellflyshighh
Greenlighter
When I got off heroin all opiates even Vicodin made me sick, but everyone's different.
Znegative
Bluelight Crew
^no, not really.. I think I read (on bluelight somewhere-and I don't even know if this is true) that some people are able to use opiates in a habitual manner without ever experiencing withdrawal..but it's like .00001% of the population.
You can become addicted to any opiate as all opiates have the ability to cause physical dependence. Also, as Mr.Scagnattie stated so well a few posts above, when you become physically dependant on heroin, you're actually just addicted to opiates/opioids...this is why people often switch from weaker drugs like oxycodone to heroin-not because they think trying heroin would be cool, but because they know it will more or less do the same thing for them but at a cheaper cost.
I also think, going back to the OP, that lots of people get confused about what suboxone does when it's used as a detox drug. It's not that you take the suboxone long enough to ride out the length of the heroin withdrawals and then quit before you become dependant on the suboxone (like some may attempt with benzo's or sleeping pills).. Suboxone is a semi synthetic opiate just like oxycodone or hydrocodone, only it has three big differences-its way stronger, it's got a MUCH longer half-life, and it's also a partial agonist-meaning that it's opiate effects (resperatory depression, euphoria etc..plateau at a certain dose.
So basically what happens when a person switches from heroin to suboxone/buprenorphine, they are switching to another opiate like methadone, only bupe has a much lower abuse profile as many heroin addicts (especially if they have a high tolerance) will only experience enough opiate agonist from suboxone that it takes them out of withdrawal. If they set up a quick taper schedule, they can usually use the suboxone to detox from Berlin by tht rating their suboxone dose down gradually each day until they jump off. The reason suboxone is more effective for detoxing rather than just doing the same thing with heroin, is because it has a 36 hour half life, meaning that the drug leaves the body at a much slower rate, making the withdrawal process much less intense and for those with lighter habits, basically sometimes non-existant.
You can become addicted to any opiate as all opiates have the ability to cause physical dependence. Also, as Mr.Scagnattie stated so well a few posts above, when you become physically dependant on heroin, you're actually just addicted to opiates/opioids...this is why people often switch from weaker drugs like oxycodone to heroin-not because they think trying heroin would be cool, but because they know it will more or less do the same thing for them but at a cheaper cost.
I also think, going back to the OP, that lots of people get confused about what suboxone does when it's used as a detox drug. It's not that you take the suboxone long enough to ride out the length of the heroin withdrawals and then quit before you become dependant on the suboxone (like some may attempt with benzo's or sleeping pills).. Suboxone is a semi synthetic opiate just like oxycodone or hydrocodone, only it has three big differences-its way stronger, it's got a MUCH longer half-life, and it's also a partial agonist-meaning that it's opiate effects (resperatory depression, euphoria etc..plateau at a certain dose.
So basically what happens when a person switches from heroin to suboxone/buprenorphine, they are switching to another opiate like methadone, only bupe has a much lower abuse profile as many heroin addicts (especially if they have a high tolerance) will only experience enough opiate agonist from suboxone that it takes them out of withdrawal. If they set up a quick taper schedule, they can usually use the suboxone to detox from Berlin by tht rating their suboxone dose down gradually each day until they jump off. The reason suboxone is more effective for detoxing rather than just doing the same thing with heroin, is because it has a 36 hour half life, meaning that the drug leaves the body at a much slower rate, making the withdrawal process much less intense and for those with lighter habits, basically sometimes non-existant.