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Opioids Will kratom help ~6mg/day bupe detox?

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Will kratom help with 3mg 2x day Suboxone detox/wd? Wanna get off, will wean down as low as possible on the sub, hopefully 1 or 2mg/day. But have horrible willpower obviously, that's what got me down this road, started with dope and oxy, then to bupe, now I think I am ready to take it down another notch. So basically let's assume I fail at lowering my bupe dose, and jump off from 5mg/day. How much kratom would be comparable? Planning on at least 2 or 3 doses a day, obviously it's relatively short lasting. Enough to get me "well", e.g. not really high but definitely not withdrawing. Once I get used to it, will wean/taper down lower and lower.

Have done kratom before way back when I had no tolerance. Made tea, it was horrible and nauseating. So obviously will be putting in caps this time, especially since ill be needing a bigger dose. Unless anyone knows any good extractions for the various alkaloids?(if this is synth sorry, edit me or something). I am familiar with tea and "toss and wash" or various ways of using juice with it, not a fan. Also familiar with the basic alkaloids in there. I've done my research on kratom, read the mega thread etc, dosing, methods/roa's, extract vs. powder vs. leaf etc, but if you have any knowledge that you think should be known lemme know. Also if you think it's more economical to go with something other than (crushed) leaf, please tell. Without sourcing, if you have any advice about what strains are most potent, economical, or sedating, that'd be great too

Or is it not really possible with my tolerance/habit? What dose should I be looking at, assuming I use average potency leaf? Any other good ways to get past potential disgust/nausea getting the leaf directly down the throat ?(without caps)
 
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you don't really want to jump off of that much sub/day. it's actually a pretty strong opiate (you just don't realize it because, as a partial agonist, you don't get a huge "high" from taking it) and it has a very long half life (more like methadone) so you are looking at least 2 weeks for the sub to clear your body if you were to stop cold turkey. yeah, maybe you could use kratom to try and get thru the WDs but why substitute one opiate for another if you ultimately want to get clean of opiates? i'd suggest tapering down to something like 0.25 mg/day of sub and then trying to jump CT off them, you will have two weeks of discomfort but you should generally be functional especially if you have other comfort meds available like benzos or weed. if at that point you just absolutely can't bear it, maybe at that point try to use something like kratom or loperamide as minimally as possible to help you through it. but at the does of sub you're currently at, i think you will be miserable going CT and kratom won't even touch it with all the bupe that's accumulated in your system.
 
i'd taper using kratom, it's not just switching one opiate for another, kratom is not even an opiate. Who knows how it will work out, you'll have to let us know.
 
well, the biologically active alkaloids in kratom are mu and delta opioid agonists; for all intents and purposes you could compare it to a weak "classical" opiate like codeine even while the alkaloids in kratom don't have a morphinoid or Fentanyl-esque structure. that's why people use kratom recreationally and that's why people can use it as a detox/taper aid from the stronger opiates we all know and love. i'm not knocking the idea of a kratom taper if you just can't CT the sub but i'm just suggesting the OP get the sub dose down a lot more, either way, before they begin.
 
Do you guys honestly think Kratom would even stop the withdrawals for someone that has ~6mg Bupe habit? I didn't think Kratom would touch a tolerance like that, but I have no experience with it.
 
yes i know, i was just being contentious lol definitely taper down on sub then go from there. agree with alovesupreme (great album btw).
 
So you guys are saying there is absolutely no dose of kratom that could have any effect at all on w/d? I don't care if its replacing 1 for another. And like I said I'm aware it's a weak opioid.

I realize I'm not on a really low dose, I know I should taper down. but like I said I might not be able to more than 4mg/day. I appreciate replies and people putting in effort, but all the replies say "taper down" when I said I'd be trying to do that in the OP. if I can't get below 4mg/day, I have a hard time believing taking kratom would be the same as taking nothing

Anyone have input as far as the original questions?
 
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Taper, taper, taper... and, Oh yeah... taper!

Hah. Do not hop off of bupe at 6mg's.. Kratom or not.

Getting below 4mg's is the toughest part... but you need to do it very very gradually.

How much are you reducing each day?

Get down to as low of a dose as psychially possible and you may not even need the Kratom, but it will certainly be more effective if you're only jumping off at say 1mg and below.
 
i'm not sayin that at all, there is definitely a dose that will hold you. If you can't get below 4mg/day then why even bother with kratom? it'll help for sure but the doses are gonna be high, like 15-30g high. Either way you'll have to experiment and see what works for you, i'd use immodium and kratom and start slow and keep taking more until you feel better. At that point you can start tapering the bupe and replacing it with kratom, with the end goal of tapering the kratom as well. This is as painless as it can get IMO.
 
Kratom's Mirtagynine and 7-OH-Mitrgynine alkaloids will definitely help your Sub taper, but your sub dose is far too large. Kratom is the non-p.somniferum-derived maintenance-drug of choice for those wishing to fully taper off of buprenorphine.

Most people taper down to 1mg once a day sublingual and stay there for a couple of weeks, then taper down to 0.5mg once a day and slowly reduce the dose to 0mg over a few weeks, and a couple days after your last dose, or when you start to feel withdrawal, dose no more than 3-5g of kratom twice a day, and reduce that to 2-3g once a day, and stay on that maintenance dose of Kratom as long as you feel comfortable not needing a crutch, as doses that low of kratom produce no withdrawal.

Don't forget that 2-4mg/day of suboxone can help most heroin addicts feel completely normal, so you're on a huge dose of buprenorphine, even more powerful than doses over 12mg/day are, as doses of bupe that high begin to block the binding of norbuprenorphine to opioid receptors. Good luck! :) keep us updated
 
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I jumped off at 4mg's one time after a rapid taper down from 8mg. It's not worth going through that much pain if you have subs to taper with. Try to start dosing twice a day and lower your dose. The withdrawal is really long and the first 2 weeks suck. I think the kratom could actually be most useful towards the end of the sub withdrawal when paws start to kick in. That's the hardest part to get through, but the funny thing about sub withdrawal is one day you wake up and just feel better. It just takes awhile to get there. Suboxone also works so much better at lower doses, I didn't even figure that out until I tried tapering with it. When I started taking less it worked a lot better then the higher doses ever did.
 
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